Todd Cordell: A rough baseline's been set should Devils move on from Palmieri or Coleman

The organization doesn't seem to have any plan or direction at the moment not to mention an interim head coach and GM. Ownership decreed they wanted to win sooner and had done anything beyond fire Ray Shero.

A non goat (frank)ed organization would be inclined to get a real GM and real head coach and a real plan.

As Lou would say, everything seems status quo. Pretty poopty, but status quo.

Thanks Todd. This puts me even more in the camp that they shouldn't move these guys. Taking Palmeri and Coleman out of this lineup puts them in the neighborhood of being Detroit level bad. Not as bad, but certainly close. I don't see how this is helpful for the team and the young guys' development even with getting one A- to B level asset back for each. This kind of sustained loosing is infectious, just look at how much trouble Buffalo has had pulling themselves out of the basement for all these years even with all the high-end pieces they have. These guys need to be around older players who get stuff done.

They are so far away from the cap ceiling, and with Hall gone there isnt going to be a 10+ mil contact on the books long term. Paying Coleman and Palmeri wont sink them and the intangibles makes it even more worth it.

Todd Cordell: A rough baseline's been set should Devils move on from Palmieri or Coleman
- Todd.Cordell

Again, I am ok with the idea of trading one of my favourite Devs, Coleman. The guy is a stud and would be a huge boost to any team looking for grit and scoring. He is exactly what Toronto desperately needs. Again, I am expecting a 1st, or top quality prospect from the past draft. Otherwise he remains a Dev on a bargain of a contract.

As for Palms, hard no. He is our only RH player that can score, leads the team in hits, has as many fights as Simmonds, and gets 30 goals every season. If we had any RW's I had confidence in, I might be ok with the thought of moving him, but we continually throw LW's on the Right, as our RW depth is at an absolute zero.

Two great players, and if the right offer is made, sure lets get younger. But my asking price would be high.

Thanks Todd. This puts me even more in the camp that they shouldn't move these guys. Taking Palmeri and Coleman out of this lineup puts them in the neighborhood of being Detroit level bad. Not as bad, but certainly close. I don't see how this is helpful for the team and the young guys' development even with getting one A- to B level asset back for each. This kind of sustained loosing is infectious, just look at how much trouble Buffalo has had pulling themselves out of the basement for all these years even with all the high-end pieces they have. These guys need to be around older players who get stuff done.

They are so far away from the cap ceiling, and with Hall gone there isnt going to be a 10+ mil contact on the books long term. Paying Coleman and Palmeri wont sink them and the intangibles makes it even more worth it.
- Cmor11794

But here is the problem. Both players are likely to start a decline at the start of their extensions. They will both be in their 30's, and the possibility of contiuing the rebuild is hard to pass up. And if we trade one or both of those guys, we can always target UFA's (hall included) with all our cap space. Or simply absorb a bad contract or two for a 1st. I would love to extend Palms and Coleman at the start of next season, but they will more than likely want to be inked until their late 30's.

Personally, I think Vats + Coleman to Toronto in exchange for Kapanen would be a good trade for both sides. We get a talented young RW on a great contract, and they get Vats as a rental, and a gritty LW/RW in Coleman who will notch 20 goals at 900k (if we retain 50%). Gives them cap space, gives us a 23 yr old RW who will fit the #2 slot nicely.

can someone explain to me the AZ pick we have and what happens if they suck?

can someone explain to me the AZ pick we have and what happens if they suck?
- Leniwm1

We get their 1st round pick this year unless they win the lottery and pick in the top 3. If they win the lottery and pick in the top 3 they keep the pick and we get their 1st next season completely unprotected

We get their 1st round pick this year unless they win the lottery and pick in the top 3. If they win the lottery and pick in the top 3 they keep the pick and we get their 1st next season completely unprotected
- vlongo4419

So if they are ninth in the west, miss the playoffs, how many spots can they move up?

So if they are ninth in the west, miss the playoffs, how many spots can they move up?
- Leniwm1

You can only move up into the top 3 from the lottery. So we want then to miss the playoffs and be as low as possible but not win the lottery

You can only move up into the top 3 from the lottery. So we want then to miss the playoffs and be as low as possible but not win the lottery
- vlongo4419

Ohhh. So when season is over and they miss playoff we'll know where we are picking with their pick.

Thanks

Worst case scenario is trading them next trade deadline. Either deal both this year or extend them this offseason

Ohhh. So when season is over and they miss playoff we'll know where we are picking with their pick.

Thanks
- Leniwm1

Yes, if they miss the playoffs we'll know their pick after the lottery is done with. If they make the playoffs, we'll know after they get eliminated

No apparent direction

Blow it up and suck for 6-8 more years

DOOMED

No apparent direction

Blow it up and suck for 6-8 more years

DOOMED
- shvingter88

Maybe they should just move the team back to KC

If they don't get a haul for Palms or Coleman, it's a bleeping disaster which will make this season even worse and could make the turnaround unbearable. They right now are the team with Nico out. Plus one of them will be the next Captain after Greene is gone. If one has to go, trading palms would be the move though i think Coleman would get a better haul.

NO Blackwood tonight.....WHY??? Play him against a better team instead of trying to get him his 3rd straight shutout against Detroit!!!

I THINK SHERO WANTED TO GUT 0TRADE COLEMAN AND PALMIERI .
AND OWNERS SAID NO.... We need to WIN now or soon rather than 6 more years...

So I expect most to stay ..... ONe more #1 ick would be go though... VATS .. either trade him or sign him......
Sign Palmieri -NJ native.
Simmons , an the crew..Yes Simmons ...... to a team friendly 2 yr. 3 m..deal....

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Need a good top LW for Nico.... ... Would rather have 23 yr old MIKKO Rantnan than 28yr old Taylor Hall...and NIshuskin o RW for Highes....

Rantanan - Nico -Palms
Nishuskin - Hughes - Boquist
Coleman - Zajac - Gusev
Wood - Zacha - Simmons
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I THINK SHERO WANTED TO GUT 0TRADE COLEMAN AND PALMIERI .
AND OWNERS SAID NO.... We need to WIN now or soon rather than 6 more years...

So I expect most to stay ..... ONe more #1 ick would be go though... VATS .. either trade him or sign him......
Sign Palmieri -NJ native.
Simmons , an the crew..Yes Simmons ...... to a team friendly 2 yr. 3 m..deal....

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Need a good top LW for Nico.... ... Would rather have 23 yr old MIKKO Rantnan than 28yr old Taylor Hall...and NIshuskin o RW for Highes....

Rantanan - Nico -Palms
Nishuskin - Hughes - Boquist
Coleman - Zajac - Gusev
Wood - Zacha - Simmons
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- thechezman

Well your first sentence is already wrong. Lebrun has said multiple times since the firing that Shero was telling teams he had no interest in trading Palmieri. And we arent getting Rantanen, ever. What.

Who should the Devils be targeting, IF they get two top 15 picks (if Arizona drops), and assuming they don't get one of the top two picks (Lafreniere or Byfield).

Should they be targeting Drysdale (D) or Askarov (G)? The Forward depth in this draft seems deep...Stutzle, Rossi, Raymond, Holtz, Perfetti, Zary, Quinn, Lundell, Sanderson.

The draft feels like the top 10-15 should be legit - what would help the Devils the most?

Who should the Devils be targeting, IF they get two top 15 picks (if Arizona drops), and assuming they don't get one of the top two picks (Lafreniere or Byfield).

Should they be targeting Drysdale (D) or Askarov (G)? The Forward depth in this draft seems deep...Stutzle, Rossi, Raymond, Holtz, Perfetti, Zary, Quinn, Lundell, Sanderson.

The draft feels like the top 10-15 should be legit - what would help the Devils the most?
- KovyOneTimer

Yeah the top 20 has a ton of talent this year, so theres actually a lot of players we can be happy walking away with after the 1st round. But with our pick i'd love to snag Drysdale or Stutzle, and depending where the Yotes pick is i'd like to get Sanderson, but theres way too many games left to try to guess where they'll be, anywhere from like 8-25 is still realistic for them, so im just guessing based off of where their pick would be right now(which is 13)

Vats (and something else if needed) to MTL for Caufield?

Who should the Devils be targeting, IF they get two top 15 picks (if Arizona drops), and assuming they don't get one of the top two picks (Lafreniere or Byfield).

Should they be targeting Drysdale (D) or Askarov (G)? The Forward depth in this draft seems deep...Stutzle, Rossi, Raymond, Holtz, Perfetti, Zary, Quinn, Lundell, Sanderson.

The draft feels like the top 10-15 should be legit - what would help the Devils the most?
- KovyOneTimer

I think we need as much D as possible so if we pick anywhere from 3-6 and Drysdale is available I would be very happy landing him at that pick...On Askarov I think if the Arizona pick should drop to somewhere between 10-13 and he is available we should definitely go for him but that is if he were stil available...seeing his name in mock drafts between 8 and 15 so he could be gone at that rate

Uggh, that was a depressing read. I am in take the 2-4 year approach before we are competitive. Signing a Palms and Coleman give us our future Zajac and Greene: useful likeable players but completely overpaid. So with that time frame in mind I recommend maximizing their value now. The wild just got good value. If we don't build for the future when we can take advantage of some aging assets that won't be useful for competitive years, then we are doomed to mediocrity. And the rags rebuild will blow by us. Its painful in the short run but if done right we can be playoff competitive shortly. Also, remeber the lottery gods want revenge on us for our Hall years ..

no nico no care

Uggh, that was a depressing read. I am in take the 2-4 year approach before we are competitive. Signing a Palms and Coleman give us our future Zajac and Greene: useful likeable players but completely overpaid. So with that time frame in mind I recommend maximizing their value now. The wild just got good value. If we don't build for the future when we can take advantage of some aging assets that won't be useful for competitive years, then we are doomed to mediocrity. And the rags rebuild will blow by us. Its painful in the short run but if done right we can be playoff competitive shortly. Also, remeber the lottery gods want revenge on us for our Hall years ..
- redmonsters

If only. By the time those extensions kick in, they'd be in their 30's, so to assume it secures our future is not a certainty. Our future is Hughes/Hisch/Boq/Smith/Bahl/Blackwood........As good as Palms and Coleman are today, you can't bank on them to be allstars in for the duration of any extension.

Nice shot by the kid. Hopefully he finishes the year strong.