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Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Feb 10 @ 3:19 PM ET
I don't know why the second one of our star players hit's a slump everyone jumps on the "trade him for x, y & z" bandwagon....

Alex is going nowhere.... That kid has 50 goal potential all day and to be honest the Hawks lack of success and the lack of DeBrincat's success has everything to do with JC....JC is NOT an NHL caliber coach, his bread and butter is developing young players NOT coaching veteran's that have won multiple Cups...... JC needs to be replaced by Marc Crawford - Crawford is an NHL coach - JC is absolutely NOT.....

And like I have said in previous posts - firing Q was a terrible move.... This team would be a contender right now if Q was behind the bench because he trusted the guys and let them play their game and excel with their skills, and he was good mixing certain skills with other skills that players possessed and just let them play their game...... JC has some weird "I'm the boss and this is our strategy and this is how it goes" complex........ JC NEEDS TO GO!!!!!

- Savard2Secord


Talked to Gerard Gallant yesterday at a fund raiser for the Tyne Valley PEI rink that burnt to the ground.
He’s open for business & wants to Coach again.


Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 3:21 PM ET
Getting Thornton is a pipe dream anyway. He has a NMC, he would only waive to go to Toronto (he is from London) or a team that has a real chance of winning the Stanley Cup.

Also I don't know how these guys give you veteran leadership. we know about Buff this year, Kovi has walked away from how many teams?, and Thornton had the C ripped away from him a couple of year ago. One cup between them?

I would rather see the young kids, see what they got, what they need to get better, than having a KISS tribute ban.

- LAHawk


Who knows what teams Joe would waive his NMC for.... I mean isn't Toronto virtually in the same position as the Hawks?

And no I don't expect Joe Thornton from 2003 or Kovalchuk from 2006, but the Blackhawks have cap space - as of right now they're in a hunt for a playoff spot and it would be silly - or better yet idiotic - NOT to use that cap space to improve this team...

The thing is I don't want to see the Hawks give up legitimate assets to improve this team, when guys like Kovalchuk and Thornton can be had for mid-round picks and Byfuglien would essentially be free because he would be a UFA, and he could be signed for the rest of the season at a pro-rated contract..... And if he want's a second year to sign now - fine - give him a 2 million dollar incentive laden contract for next season...... I mean I'm sure he would have no problem coming back to Chicago.

And I wouldn't call this idea a "KISS reunion concert" I would call it adding depth and acquiring players that have unique skill-sets er skills....
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 10 @ 3:24 PM ET
Right, because Q is only 2nd (maybe 3rd) place in wins in NHL history.... But yea, he didn't know what he was doing right? SMH
- Savard2Secord


Q was, and is, great. His time here needed to end. Both can be, and are, true.

How did things go with Q toward the end of his time? Stanley Cup. First round loss in 7. First round demolition by Nashville. Missed playoffs. Bad start.
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 3:25 PM ET
Talked to Gerard Gallant yesterday at a fund raiser for the Tyne Valley PEI rink that burnt to the ground.
He’s open for business & wants to Coach again.

- Colbyboy


Tell him to give the Wings a call, pretty sure he's an alumni, lol.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Feb 10 @ 3:26 PM ET
Right, because Q is only 2nd (maybe 3rd) place in wins in NHL history.... But yea, he didn't know what he was doing right? SMH
- Savard2Secord


Yes, can't take that away from him, but he was getting stale. When he was fired, they were not a 1st or 2nd place team. It was time for a change, why is it so hard for some to admit that. That does not degrade him for what he did (DID).
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 10 @ 3:29 PM ET
Who knows what teams Joe would waive his NMC for.... I mean isn't Toronto virtually in the same position as the Hawks?

And no I don't expect Joe Thornton from 2003 or Kovalchuk from 2006, but the Blackhawks have cap space - as of right now they're in a hunt for a playoff spot and it would be silly - or better yet idiotic - NOT to use that cap space to improve this team...

The thing is I don't want to see the Hawks give up legitimate assets to improve this team, when guys like Kovalchuk and Thornton can be had for mid-round picks and Byfuglien would essentially be free because he would be a UFA, and he could be signed for the rest of the season at a pro-rated contract..... And if he want's a second year to sign now - fine - give him a 2 million dollar incentive laden contract for next season...... I mean I'm sure he would have no problem coming back to Chicago.

And I wouldn't call this idea a "KISS reunion concert" I would call it adding depth and acquiring players that have unique skill-sets er skills....

- Savard2Secord


Blackhawks circa 2015 I would be all for it, not with where the team is 2020.
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 3:34 PM ET
Q was, and is, great. His time here needed to end. Both can be, and are, true.

How did things go with Q toward the end of his time? Stanley Cup. First round loss in 7. First round demolition by Nashville. Missed playoffs. Bad start.

- mohel


Yea, but the Hawks had no cap space, had to sell off assets so what could Joel do?

He had his core, but outside of that he had an AHL team.... You can only do so much.. That wasn't Joel's fault - it was actually Bowman's fault - so it kinda pisses me off how Q gets the blame for this quagmire...... I mean the cap was eventually going to catch up to the Hawks...... But no, the "fans" (bandwagon fans) demanded "change" and Q was put on the chopping block....... I mean it's unfortunate because none of this was his fault...... If anyone should have been fired it should have been Bowman but I would have been opposed to that too...... Obviously the Hawks had a tough few years ahead of them, so why didn't the brass just accept that and ride it out.... I mean I would bet both my balls that the Hawks would be back into contention right now if Q was still the coach...... Heck, if the Hawks appointed Crawford head coach the Hawks would be in a better position.....


Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 3:38 PM ET
Yes, can't take that away from him, but he was getting stale. When he was fired, they were not a 1st or 2nd place team. It was time for a change, why is it so hard for some to admit that. That does not degrade him for what he did (DID).
- powerenforcer


Because it wasn't Q's fault..... Hawks had no cap space so they were stuck with their core which all have NMC's and had to sell off assets that didn't have NMC's to get under the cap, then the rest of the team was filled out by bargain bin UFA's and AHL players that weren't even NHL ready....

So what was Q supposed to do with that?

It would be like going from the World Series to managing the Bad News Bears....
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 3:44 PM ET
If it wasn't for the damn salary cap the Hawks probably would have had a super-team that went to the finals 10 years straight and probably would have won 7-8 Cups....



oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Feb 10 @ 4:05 PM ET
Yea, but the Hawks had no cap space, had to sell off assets so what could Joel do?

He had his core, but outside of that he had an AHL team.... You can only do so much.. That wasn't Joel's fault - it was actually Bowman's fault - so it kinda pisses me off how Q gets the blame for this quagmire...... I mean the cap was eventually going to catch up to the Hawks...... But no, the "fans" (bandwagon fans) demanded "change" and Q was put on the chopping block....... I mean it's unfortunate because none of this was his fault...... If anyone should have been fired it should have been Bowman but I would have been opposed to that too...... Obviously the Hawks had a tough few years ahead of them, so why didn't the brass just accept that and ride it out.... I mean I would bet both my balls that the Hawks would be back into contention right now if Q was still the coach...... Heck, if the Hawks appointed Crawford head coach the Hawks would be in a better position.....

- Savard2Secord

I am far from a bandwagon fan ,have been a huge fan since the late sixty .Qhad to go for so many reasons ,he was in a power struggle with Stan .And would not play the players Stan tried to bring in .He was mailing in the line -ups at the end .And his record for light or none at all practices was legendary . And really if he was still here the country club atmosphere would be to .. Lot's of luck in Florida Q not really lighting it up their either
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 10 @ 4:10 PM ET
All I got to say is that we are all Hawks fans and want nothing more than the hawks to do well.

I am very grateful to the board that we can hold this discussion and disagree on what we feel is best for the Hawks, but do it in a respectful manner. I appreciate the different points of view, and hope some of my sarcastic retorts are not taken that I do not respect or hear your opinion.

I used to post on a different blog (that doesn't allow posts anymore because they thought that because they wrote a blog they knew more than anyone else), and dissenting views or discussions were meant with ridicule and criticism. In fact ti took me a long time to actively post here because I was accused by this other blog of being mentally ill and having dimentia, which was a dagger to my heart as my mother was in her last years battling that horrible disease.

I am an alter cocker here (there you go mohel), and might seem a little obstinate and cynical. But i do enjoy the discussion of different points of view, and i do learn alot from participating on the board.

And where else can i learn that my dad and Wiz used to discuss the games in between periods on the mezzanine level of the old Stadium.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Feb 10 @ 4:31 PM ET
Because it wasn't Q's fault..... Hawks had no cap space so they were stuck with their core which all have NMC's and had to sell off assets that didn't have NMC's to get under the cap, then the rest of the team was filled out by bargain bin UFA's and AHL players that weren't even NHL ready....

So what was Q supposed to do with that?

It would be like going from the World Series to managing the Bad News Bears....

- Savard2Secord


I don't want to argue this, in one hand you are saying Q is the 2nd greatest coach in NHL history, then in the other hand you are saying he had no players to work with. Which is it, great coach, or great players that made a great coach? Can't have it both ways.
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 4:42 PM ET
I am far from a bandwagon fan ,have been a huge fan since the late sixty .Qhad to go for so many reasons ,he was in a power struggle with Stan .And would not play the players Stan tried to bring in .He was mailing in the line -ups at the end .And his record for light or none at all practices was legendary . And really if he was still here the country club atmosphere would be to .. Lot's of luck in Florida Q not really lighting it up their either

- oldduffman


Well as a vintage card collector (Blackhawks generally, but own all Topps/OPC sets from the mid-60's to the stupid mid-90's) and someone that owns numerous Blackhawks books, based on history and opinion, I can just give you my opinion over these decades, however one thing I can confidently tell you is that Q was the best coach in Chicago Blackhawks history....... The weirdest???? mmmm Mike Keenan
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 10 @ 4:58 PM ET
No GM is just going to hand Buff a multi-year contract - especially at this point in the season not to mention his age.....

Byfuglien will get a deal that has him signed for the rest of the season - a "show me deal"..... I mean I believe Buff is 35 right? well no team is going to give a 35-year-old a deal longer than 2 years.... 35+ contracts are hard to get rid of if things go bad...

But if we got Byfuglien, Thornton and Kovi........ Well Byfuglien would be an ideal replacement for Seabrook, Thornton still has nice hands and Kovalchuk still has a fantastic shot...... They would be tremendous assets on the PP.......

I mean imagine a PP of Kovalchuk-Thornton-Kane, you don't think that would be successful?

Not only that but the Hawks could run 3 scoring lines on 5 on 5 play....

Are these guys older? yea, but their also wiser and are still very skilled.....

And I'm not concerned about Kovalchuk's time in LA - because not every player works out with every team..... Duclair and even Strome or even Nylander are evidence of this.......

Look my point is that it's certainly worth a shot.... The Hawks have the cap space to make it happen and Kovalchuk and Thornton aren't going to fetch any significant assets.....

The Hawks have an opportunity to really beef this team up and make a run, they have the cap space so there is nothing wrong with at least trying......

- Savard2Secord


Buff isn't playing this year. Not sure what you don't get about this. This team giving up assets for old players is the worst thing Bowman could do.

Make a run for what? Getting smoked in the playoff because all the old players are too tired?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 10 @ 5:02 PM ET
All I got to say is that we are all Hawks fans and want nothing more than the hawks to do well.

I am very grateful to the board that we can hold this discussion and disagree on what we feel is best for the Hawks, but do it in a respectful manner. I appreciate the different points of view, and hope some of my sarcastic retorts are not taken that I do not respect or hear your opinion.

I used to post on a different blog (that doesn't allow posts anymore because they thought that because they wrote a blog they knew more than anyone else), and dissenting views or discussions were meant with ridicule and criticism. In fact ti took me a long time to actively post here because I was accused by this other blog of being mentally ill and having dimentia, which was a dagger to my heart as my mother was in her last years battling that horrible disease.


I am an alter cocker here (there you go mohel), and might seem a little obstinate and cynical. But i do enjoy the discussion of different points of view, and i do learn alot from participating on the board.

And where else can i learn that my dad and Wiz used to discuss the games in between periods on the mezzanine level of the old Stadium.

- LAHawk


i am not going to tell you this again

Never explain yourself. Especially to this motley crew.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 10 @ 5:06 PM ET
I don't get why everyone has their panties all in a bunch. This team is not good enough for the playoffs. They are just good enough to lose. The best thing for the future is a free fall into a top 5 pick.

Bowman should be listening to all offers.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 10 @ 5:12 PM ET
Should be gone yesterday- Gus, Special K, Smith

Should go ASAP to maintain value- Lehner, Maatta, Caggs and maybe Strome and Carpenter. Gotta keep one goalie.

Should go if an overpay. Saad, Murphy

Not going anywhere for reasons. Toews, Kane, Dinky, Kubalik, Dach, Boqvist.

Little to no value types. Highmore, Kampf, Seeler

Unsure- Keith
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 5:19 PM ET
Buff isn't playing this year. Not sure what you don't get about this. This team giving up assets for old players is the worst thing Bowman could do.

Make a run for what? Getting smoked in the playoff because all the old players are too tired?

- Elbows15


The Jets allegedly are mutually releasing Buff from his contract - there is no "trade" - after Buff has his contract terminated he would become an Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA) which means ANY TEAM can sign him..

I'm just suggesting that perhaps Bowman should offer him a contract for the rest of the season and if he does well, then perhaps he can earn an extension....

No one is trading for Byfuglien....
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 10 @ 5:23 PM ET
Because it wasn't Q's fault..... Hawks had no cap space so they were stuck with their core which all have NMC's and had to sell off assets that didn't have NMC's to get under the cap, then the rest of the team was filled out by bargain bin UFA's and AHL players that weren't even NHL ready....

So what was Q supposed to do with that?

It would be like going from the World Series to managing the Bad News Bears....

- Savard2Secord

Phil Jackson. Great coach for a team ready - and supposed to - win. Could get highly talented, already developed superstars and approaching-superstars to play together. Not very good at the rebuild. There is a talent to both - not all (perhaps not even many) coaches can win with winning talent that is supposed to win - but that skill doesn't necessarily translate when the stars grow old and / or leave.

Q = Phil Jackson on skates. Great coach for a team ready to go. Probably doesn't have the temperament or patience to go through a rebuild. It was time for him to go. Let's see how he does with a much more talented team than he left here.
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 5:26 PM ET
I don't get why everyone has their panties all in a bunch. This team is not good enough for the playoffs. They are just good enough to lose. The best thing for the future is a free fall into a top 5 pick.

Bowman should be listening to all offers.

- Elbows15


Um, because they have cap space now to significantly improve this team?

It seems like some Hawks fans want us to be the next Edmonton Oilers....

When you have 13M in cap space and you're a "bubble team" why the heck would you NOT use that cap space to improve your team? improve your team and potentially become a contender?

13M is a massive advantage over other teams on the bubble - it's essentially an advantage over ANY TEAM that has a chance to secure a playoff spot.....
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 5:39 PM ET
Phil Jackson. Great coach for a team ready - and supposed to - win. Could get highly talented, already developed superstars and approaching-superstars to play together. Not very good at the rebuild. There is a talent to both - not all (perhaps not even many) coaches can win with winning talent that is supposed to win - but that skill doesn't necessarily translate when the stars grow old and / or leave.

Q = Phil Jackson on skates. Great coach for a team ready to go. Probably doesn't have the temperament or patience to go through a rebuild. It was time for him to go. Let's see how he does with a much more talented team than he left here.

- StLBravesFan


The Bulls fell apart because they had no cohesion (that and Jordan lost all interest, after his second retirement)...... At the time it blew my mind - they were the best team in the world but the team we're at odds with the coach, owner and each other...... It was like they were competing with each other in the end.... Basketball is NOT like hockey.... I'm not going to take anything away from Phil Jackson but Hockey and Basketball are not the same sport....
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 10 @ 5:49 PM ET
Buff isn't playing this year. Not sure what you don't get about this. This team giving up assets for old players is the worst thing Bowman could do.

Make a run for what? Getting smoked in the playoff because all the old players are too tired?

- Elbows15


Amen, brother.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Feb 10 @ 5:55 PM ET
Phil Jackson. Great coach for a team ready - and supposed to - win. Could get highly talented, already developed superstars and approaching-superstars to play together. Not very good at the rebuild. There is a talent to both - not all (perhaps not even many) coaches can win with winning talent that is supposed to win - but that skill doesn't necessarily translate when the stars grow old and / or leave.

Q = Phil Jackson on skates. Great coach for a team ready to go. Probably doesn't have the temperament or patience to go through a rebuild. It was time for him to go. Let's see how he does with a much more talented team than he left here.

- StLBravesFan

Scotty Bowman has more wins and more cups than any coach, and even he coached 4 different NHL teams. Sometimes everyone involved needs a change.
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Feb 10 @ 5:58 PM ET
Um, because they have cap space now to significantly improve this team?

It seems like some Hawks fans want us to be the next Edmonton Oilers....

When you have 13M in cap space and you're a "bubble team" why the heck would you NOT use that cap space to improve your team? improve your team and potentially become a contender?

13M is a massive advantage over other teams on the bubble - it's essentially an advantage over ANY TEAM that has a chance to secure a playoff spot.....

- Savard2Secord


Let's quit playing hard, and not get any TDL help. Everybody will think we're trendy, and onto something big!
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 10 @ 5:58 PM ET
The Jets allegedly are mutually releasing Buff from his contract - there is no "trade" - after Buff has his contract terminated he would become an Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA) which means ANY TEAM can sign him..

I'm just suggesting that perhaps Bowman should offer him a contract for the rest of the season and if he does well, then perhaps he can earn an extension....

No one is trading for Byfuglien....

- Savard2Secord

Guess you missed the part about trading for Kovy and Thornton.

Not to mention that Buff hasn't been on skates yet.
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