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SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 10 @ 12:27 PM ET
They could be separated like about 3000 miles away trade DeBrincat to Edmonton let him ride on the back of his buddy McDavid, i’ll take about three of their good young players, maybe a young defenseman, RNH, and number 16. Just spit bawling. The kid is too small , I said it and I sound like a broken record he has to skate like Johnny hockey, PATRICK Kane, Theron Fleury, Panerin. Ect.Or work really hard with a skating Trainer this summer and be like a water bug out there.
- wonthecup10


And then we adjusts back and starts pumping in 35+ a year people with female dog about how they traded him.

Kubalik is this years adb. And if, very possible, kubalik regresses next year as most young guys do.....will everyone want to launch him as well?
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Feb 10 @ 12:29 PM ET
How about making it ultra simple. Park 2 in front of the net and run the umbrella up top. Fire away and crash the net. 20 and 8 at the net would be a great start.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 10 @ 12:35 PM ET
They could be separated like about 3000 miles away trade DeBrincat to Edmonton let him ride on the back of his buddy McDavid, i’ll take about three of their good young players, maybe a young defenseman, RNH, and number 16. Just spit bawling. The kid is too small , I said it and I sound like a broken record he has to skate like Johnny hockey, PATRICK Kane, Theron Fleury, Panerin. Ect.Or work really hard with a skating Trainer this summer and be like a water bug out there.
- wonthecup10


Presently DeBrincat trade value is at the lowest mark but if he trains during the summer and is able to regain his past form, it would be some knee jerk reaction if he had been traded for less than he is worth. Last year 40 goals and could 50 be attainable one season? He had a shot and he gets in position to unload. Funny how when we stole him in round two AND when some feel C Caufield similarly avsteal by Montreal at #15 overall......everyone murmurs how these two deluxe scorers are the greatest thing since sliced toast oh, alright let's say since a goodvathenian steak and sliced toast

Prudence should be used not to trade DeBrincat at least not real soon. What we get in return for him now, is not likely going to help us long term as much as the old DeBrincat could. Would you be willing to wait and see if he shows signs and rounds into the scoring sleuth he was last season?
catrisc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Elmhurst, IL
Joined: 12.12.2019

Feb 10 @ 12:45 PM ET
And then we adjusts back and starts pumping in 35+ a year people with female dog about how they traded him.

Kubalik is this years adb. And if, very possible, kubalik regresses next year as most young guys do.....will everyone want to launch him as well?

- SteveRain


Kubalik is scoring dirty greasy goals. Something ADB never did. For that reason, I give Kubalik a higher ceiling that ADB. Without time and space, ADB is ineffective. That is problematic come playoff time. Kubalik can score in a tight checking game. For this reason, he will become more effective than ADB come playoff time.

Debrincat is a one trick pony - snipe or bust. Kubalik is an all around better player.

We've seen this before with Panarin. He was ineffective in the playoffs with Kane in 2016. They tried playing the cutsy parameter game and that does not work in the playoffs.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 10 @ 12:49 PM ET
Kubalik is scoring dirty greasy goals. Something ADB never did. For that reason, I give Kubalik a higher ceiling that ADB. Without time and space, ADB is ineffective. That is problematic come playoff time. Kubalik can score in a tight checking game. He will become way more effective come playoff time.

Debrincat is a one trick pony - snipe or bust. Kubalik is an all around better player.

We've seen this before with Panarin. He was ineffective in the playoffs with Kane in 2016. They tried playing the cutsy parameter game and that does not work in the playoffs.

- catrisc


Panarin is a top 10, possibly top 5 player in the game.

Pretty sure panarin produced in the playoffs against stl while here and then did so for Columbus.

Selective memory Monday is in full effect.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 10 @ 12:52 PM ET
How about making it ultra simple. Park 2 in front of the net and run the umbrella up top. Fire away and crash the net. 20 and 8 at the net would be a great start.
- z1990z


Agreed.

Think it’s a matter of changing philosophies which mid season could be tough.

catrisc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Elmhurst, IL
Joined: 12.12.2019

Feb 10 @ 12:53 PM ET
Panarin is a top 10, possibly top 5 player in the game.

Pretty sure panarin produced in the playoffs against stl while here and then did so for Columbus.

Selective memory Monday is in full effect.

- SteveRain


I'm referring to the 2016 season when the Hawks had the best record in the West and when Panarin was rookie of the year. The Kane and Panarin line dominated during the regular season and got stone walled in the playoffs. This was because they tried playing the same harlem globetrotters type game without having the time and space do it.

To be fair, panarin did have 2 goals in that series and I think 7 points. So not terrible but they did not have the same level of success as during the regular seasons.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 10 @ 12:53 PM ET
Here you go - his Spittin' Chiclets episode where he talks about it being a thing during his contract negotiations back in the day.

https://podcasts.apple.co...112425552?i=1000455213255

Can't be bothered to re-listen to it to tell you the exact minute/second during the interview where he talks about it, but it's a good interview anyway. It's also where he talked about Q letting them "just play" and not-so-subtly digging at JC's overthinking/overdesigning plays for every scenario.

- pdx2ord


IF there is such a clause - and I'd be gobsmacked if there were - how is it enforced? If they take him off the PP, does he file a grievance? And what is the remedy if the team is guilty? Is the league going to tell the Hawks who to play, and when? C'mon.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 10 @ 12:57 PM ET
Panarin is a top 10, possibly top 5 player in the game.

Pretty sure panarin produced in the playoffs against stl while here and then did so for Columbus.

Selective memory Monday is in full effect.

- SteveRain


Against St. Louis, Bread had 2 goals and 5 assists in 7 games. Seems like production to me. The whole team folded against Nashville the next year.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 10 @ 1:03 PM ET
Against St. Louis, Bread had 2 goals and 5 assists in 7 games. Seems like production to me. The whole team folded against Nashville the next year.
- mohel


That was my point.

Everyone wants a younger team and younger replacements from the previous decades great run. Yet, 1 bad year and let’s trade those same guys.

Will strome or debrincat or kubalik or dach or boqvist be parts of the next core? No idea but I’m willing to have patience with some of these guys.

You need all types to be successful.

Burnside has another trade preview on athletic. Again another guy mentioning Keith as a long shot but possible trade chip. All power resides with Keith and nmc but uncle dale and q would covet him.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 10 @ 1:05 PM ET
I'm referring to the 2016 season when the Hawks had the best record in the West and when Panarin was rookie of the year. The Kane and Panarin line dominated during the regular season and got stone walled in the playoffs. This was because they tried playing the same harlem globetrotters type game without having the time and space do it.

To be fair, panarin did have 2 goals in that series and I think 7 points. So not terrible but they did not have the same level of success as during the regular seasons.

- catrisc


Nashville rolled that entire team. Everyone got their ass handed to them and caused a massive shake up in June.

They still haven’t recovered from that ass kicking
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 10 @ 1:11 PM ET
That was my point.

Everyone wants a younger team and younger replacements from the previous decades great run. Yet, 1 bad year and let’s trade those same guys.

Will strome or debrincat or kubalik or dach or boqvist be parts of the next core? No idea but I’m willing to have patience with some of these guys.

You need all types to be successful.

Burnside has another trade preview on athletic. Again another guy mentioning Keith as a long shot but possible trade chip. All power resides with Keith and nmc but uncle dale and q would covet him.

- SteveRain


Yep, pour water on the kids and see if they grow into players. Not likely to happen all at once. Trade everything at the TDL that is not bolted down. Play the long game. Fake short term mediocrity will get us nowhere.
Gary0301
Joined: 07.15.2012

Feb 10 @ 1:14 PM ET
So Stan, yesterday was game 1 of 8 where not taking advantage of the available cap space could have easily cost the Hawks a win. Just converting on 1 of the power plays would have gotten them 1 if not 2 points. I cant believe there isnt an available veteran free agent out there that would help the pp. But no, lets wait 7 more games to see if you want to buy or sell, meanwhile the fans that pay out big money for a winning team get taken advantage of again. If the Hawks dont make the playoffs, at least let them go down swinging. I hate the passiveness of this organization.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 10 @ 1:15 PM ET
Yep, pour water on the kids and see if they grow into players. Not likely to happen all at once. Trade everything at the TDL that is not bolted down. Play the long game. Fake short term mediocrity will get us nowhere.
- mohel


100% agreed.

Listen on everyone. Doesn’t mean you trade everyone but it’s time so start dealing some of these guys
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Feb 10 @ 1:26 PM ET
DOES JC HAVE ANY INPUT WHO RECEIVES PP TIME?! HE IS THE HEAD COACH.
- catrisc


In this limited context, it potentially means nothing if your GM is insistent upon playing things out HIS way. No one knows what's really going on behind the scenes. You apparently are of the belief that a HC calls the majority of the shots. I beg to differ. More than a few of these guys are starting due to a decree set forth by the GM.
pdx2ord
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Feb 10 @ 1:31 PM ET
IF there is such a clause - and I'd be gobsmacked if there were - how is it enforced? If they take him off the PP, does he file a grievance? And what is the remedy if the team is guilty? Is the league going to tell the Hawks who to play, and when? C'mon.
- mohel


I think any team would be insane to hand out any clause like that, but Keith seemed pretty clear in the podcast that he demanded and got it when negotiating his last contract. Did it have performance riders or an expiration date? Who knows?

We were last discussing this when people were (rightfully) questioning why Keith was still the PP QB. When I heard him talk about it, it was an "a ha!" moment, so I shared it back when it was originally aired.

Simply telling the guy accusing me of "fake news" where it came from - it's such an outrageous idea, how the hell would I have made it up?

pdx2ord
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Feb 10 @ 1:35 PM ET
In this limited context, it potentially means nothing if your GM is insistent upon playing things out HIS way. No one knows what's really going on behind the scenes. You apparently are of the belief that a HC calls the majority of the shots. I beg to differ. More than a few of these guys are starting due to a decree set forth by the GM.
- gabriel


You're right that none of us knows about the behind-the-scenes machinations within the FO and coaching staff. Do know that StanBo mentioned in his mid-season report that he meets EVERY day with JC and the coaches to discuss lines, tactics, strategies, etc.. Based on Q's comments re: Tallon being around more than he is used to, I'm assuming that was definitely not the case when Q was here.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Feb 10 @ 1:42 PM ET
Start with moving 12 off the team.
- rpeters01

ADB, Sikura, and Gus for Panarin?
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Feb 10 @ 1:47 PM ET
So Stan, yesterday was game 1 of 8 where not taking advantage of the available cap space could have easily cost the Hawks a win. Just converting on 1 of the power plays would have gotten them 1 if not 2 points. I cant believe there isnt an available veteran free agent out there that would help the pp. But no, lets wait 7 more games to see if you want to buy or sell, meanwhile the fans that pay out big money for a winning team get taken advantage of again. If the Hawks dont make the playoffs, at least let them go down swinging. I hate the passiveness of this organization.
- Gary0301


Why does Kane essentially shut things down around this time of year? The Hawks do what the Hawks desire, and they are in no particular hurry. Making the playoffs would be nice, but they're not losing sleep if they don't. The future is all that matters. As an organization, can't say as I blame them. But, it isn't an easy pill to swallow for all our fellow Hawks junkies.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Feb 10 @ 1:47 PM ET
Presently DeBrincat trade value is at the lowest mark but if he trains during the summer and is able to regain his past form, it would be some knee jerk reaction if he had been traded for less than he is worth. Last year 40 goals and could 50 be attainable one season? He had a shot and he gets in position to unload. Funny how when we stole him in round two AND when some feel C Caufield similarly avsteal by Montreal at #15 overall......everyone murmurs how these two deluxe scorers are the greatest thing since sliced toast oh, alright let's say since a goodvathenian steak and sliced toast

Prudence should be used not to trade DeBrincat at least not real soon. What we get in return for him now, is not likely going to help us long term as much as the old DeBrincat could. Would you be willing to wait and see if he shows signs and rounds into the scoring sleuth he was last season?

- jhawk59


I think you’re onto something when you mentioned about training, I think the kid just got lazy because he bought a crib in Wrigleyville got the big contract,And took stuff for granted. Hopefully he recommits like hell this summer.
pdx2ord
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Feb 10 @ 1:56 PM ET
I think you’re onto something when you mentioned about training, I think the kid just got lazy because he bought a crib in Wrigleyville got the big contract,And took stuff for granted. Hopefully he recommits like hell this summer.
- wonthecup10


From all reports, he spent majority of the summer training with the Hawks' Goodman and with Kane's skill trainers. Is it possibly more a case of "over-training"(too much work using weights and cross-fit and not enough on hockey-specific exercises) that Toews blamed for his poor performance a few years ago?
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Feb 10 @ 1:59 PM ET
Bring in Joe Thornton, Kovalchuk and Byfuglien....

Byfuglien will be a UFA shortly, and Thornton and Kovalchuk will cost almost nothing to acquire.....

The Hawks have the cap space to make some serious improvements, so if I'm Bowman I'd be working the phones, because really no pending UFA is off the board for the Hawks....

If these moves work then the Hawks are playoff bound or perhaps could even become a legitimate contender, if they don't then they have a nice first round pick er perhaps even a lottery pick.....

As it stands today the Hawks are in the playoff mix, when you're this close "selling" would be illogical - especially with all these nonsense discussions of trading Lehner and Strome.... Lehner and Strome BOTH need to be extended - neither are the problem - they're both solutions....

IMO, Q should have NEVER been fired!
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 10 @ 1:59 PM ET
So Stan, yesterday was game 1 of 8 where not taking advantage of the available cap space could have easily cost the Hawks a win. Just converting on 1 of the power plays would have gotten them 1 if not 2 points. I cant believe there isnt an available veteran free agent out there that would help the pp. But no, lets wait 7 more games to see if you want to buy or sell, meanwhile the fans that pay out big money for a winning team get taken advantage of again. If the Hawks dont make the playoffs, at least let them go down swinging. I hate the passiveness of this organization.
- Gary0301


Lets say Montreal will trade us Kovi. What would they want in return? Would you be happy if it was a third round draft choice?

No matter if they make the playoffs or not ( I believe not), Stan should only make trades that bring us draft choices or a young player, not give them away, which is foolish.

Interesting how things have changed this year. The PK and goals against have improved significantly, and the PP has regressed significantly.

I have a thought about the PP, play Toews at left boards, make Kane the trigger man (he has a good enough shot, he also has the skill that if he sees Toews back door he can slap pass with anyone). This way you work to get Kane the puck for a shot, not look to pass and sit around and marvel at his stick handling skill.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Feb 10 @ 2:03 PM ET
From all reports, he spent majority of the summer training with the Hawks' Goodman and with Kane's skill trainers. Is it possibly more a case of "over-training"(too much work using weights and cross-fit and not enough on hockey-specific exercises) that Toews blamed for his poor performance a few years ago?
- pdx2ord



Agree. Lifting heavy weights can have a negative effect on a player especially in the hands. It did for me decades ago.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 10 @ 2:13 PM ET
Bring in Joe Thornton, Kovalchuk and Byfuglien....

Byfuglien will be a UFA shortly, and Thornton and Kovalchuk will cost almost nothing to acquire.....

The Hawks have the cap space to make some serious improvements, so if I'm Bowman I'd be working the phones, because really no pending UFA is off the board for the Hawks....

If these moves work then the Hawks are playoff bound or perhaps could even become a legitimate contender, if they don't then they have a nice first round pick er perhaps even a lottery pick.....

As it stands today the Hawks are in the playoff mix, when you're this close "selling" would be illogical - especially with all these nonsense discussions of trading Lehner and Strome.... Lehner and Strome BOTH need to be extended - neither are the problem - they're both solutions....

IMO, Q should have NEVER been fired!

- Savard2Secord


No way would I do this. you are evaluating the team, and potentially the team you have next year. As someone mentioned previously on the PP, lets try Nylander there, if he is an utter fail, then you know what has to be improved. All these FA signings suggested are not going to win you the cup, and is masking problems/retarding development for next year.

Fired or not, Q wouldn't of had the patience to try and see if the kids developed. Do you think he would of benched Seabrook for more than one game at a time, if at all? You would still have Keith as your #1 point man. You would still be running the same power play. He would of gone the way of Laviolette, Hynes ,Gallant, and Babcock. Coaches are like stocks. Past performance does not guarantee future results. How many more wins do you think Q would eeke out with this group?. This is almost an entirely new team, you have 7 players that are left from the beginning of last season.
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