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BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 3 @ 11:55 AM ET
Can't we do both? Can't we trade you Lehner, lean on Crow and keep winning? He has looked pretty good lately.

What is Lehner as a rental worth to you? You have an extra 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in next years draft. Would you give up your first or Toronto's first (lottery protected)? If not a first would he be worth the 2nd and 3rd you got from the Rangers and Sabres respectively?

- -Doh-



I'd give up both 2nds and make one a conditional 1st. Becomes a 1st round pick if the Canes a) advance to the cup finals or b) sign Lehner to an extension.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 3 @ 11:57 AM ET
DO NOT GIVE UP HIGH DRAFT CHOICES for players !! While the Hawks were winning three cups, they really did not have that much in their farm system. They are getting better, but need to give stocking the system with good solid players. Sure superstars are nice, but tough to acquire. Load system with as many good solid all around players as possible and the only way to do this is not give up future assets.
- chuckdahammer


Generally I agree. But let's say the Hawks draft 10th. They hopefully get a top 6 forward that is ready for the NHL in two or three years. If you are extremely lucky it could be sooner. If you are unlucky he turns out to be a bust.

Or you can trade the #1 pick (let's say top 5 protected) for a very young NHL player. Let's use Kapanen for example. 23 years old. Signed for $3.2 mil for 2 more years, and then is an RFA. Right handed (which is a shortage on the Hawks). Good size 6'1" 195. Speedy. 10 goals and 18 assists in 51 games. Acquiring him may allow you to trade Saad for picks and prospects and get even younger and save $2.8 mil in cap space next year, and even more in the 2nd and 3rd years.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 3 @ 11:57 AM ET
I'd give up both 2nds and make one a conditional 1st. Becomes a 1st round pick if the Canes a) advance to the cup finals or b) sign Lehner to an extension.
- BINGO!


Sold.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 3 @ 12:00 PM ET
.......no?

Why does everybody keep asking for Pesce?

- BINGO!


Same reason why you are asking for Lehner, fix a need.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 3 @ 12:01 PM ET
If you move Lehner, I wonder what UFA Craig Anderson would cost at the TDL?

As far as keeping Lehner and risk losing him at year end? I have one word Columbus. Lehner sure has been responsible for a lot of the success this year, everyone thought Columbus would be a lottery team this year after losing Duchense, Dzingel, Bobrovsky, and Panarin for nothing, but they still had a good young core, not like the cupboard is bare.

Hawks have good players too. Hpoefully next yea with Mitchell, Da Haan not being injured and no Gus, the defense improves that wins are not based on goalie performance alone (even though in the NHL you still need your goalie to come up with the big save when needed0.

- LAHawk


I would rather go with Crow and Lankinen or Delia than Craig Anderson. You would play Crow in maybe 17 games after the TDL.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 3 @ 12:02 PM ET
Same reason why you are asking for Lehner, fix a need.
- LAHawk


Yeah, I get it. But that contract is just too good of a value to give up unless there's a something really big coming back the other way.

...especially with Hamilton out.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Feb 3 @ 12:04 PM ET
I'd give up both 2nds and make one a conditional 1st. Becomes a 1st round pick if the Canes a) advance to the cup finals or b) sign Lehner to an extension.
- BINGO!


Nope, have to have one young asset NHL ready player in the deal. Preferably one of those young defenseman, can’t just be all potential draft picks because they could all turn out like Alain Daigle or Radek BonkAnd then we have nothing. It’s about time we start raping some teams instead of teams taken advantage of us.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Feb 3 @ 12:05 PM ET
Why do you have the Preds in front of the Hawks and Jets? Games in hand don't guarantee victories, they need to win those games in order to to jump in front of the teams. As of right now, Preds have fewer points, and that is what matters at this moment.
- powerenforcer

At minimum, projecting the point per game doesn't mean the same is going to hold, one win or loss and it changes.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 3 @ 12:05 PM ET
I would rather go with Crow and Lankinen or Delia than Craig Anderson. You would play Crow in maybe 17 games after the TDL.
- -Doh-


You can, Anderson could still be a black ace. I think if you let Lehner go, I think you still need a goalie with some NHL experience for the rest of the year. If the Hawks are in it, Crow would be playing 80% of the rest of the games. Forget about concussion, what happens, if Crow tweaks his groin again?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Feb 3 @ 12:06 PM ET
Points per game ( the last number), accounts for differences in games played. Same as percentage of points earned.
- scottak

One win or loss and it changes.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Feb 3 @ 12:08 PM ET
Trubinsky, could be the answer to our goaltending. Wonder, would he do a 5 year 4 million per year deal???
- hawk35

He gives too many rebounds to the other team.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Feb 3 @ 12:13 PM ET
So the Hawks claim a Minny Dman.....

Trade coming?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 3 @ 12:13 PM ET
Nope, have to have one young asset NHL ready player in the deal. Preferably one of those young defenseman, can’t just be all potential draft picks because they could all turn out like Alain Daigle or Radek BonkAnd then we have nothing. It’s about time we start raping some teams instead of teams taken advantage of us.
- wonthecup10


you wouldn't take a 2nd and a conditional 1st for a pending UFA goaltender? I mean, you kinda need those picks...
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Feb 3 @ 12:14 PM ET
Good question. I do not think you can get a legit top 6 forward for a #1 pick alone. You might be able to get a 2nd pairing dman for a #1 pick. But I think with the Hawks deep pool of defensive prospects I would try to make the playoffs with our current Dmen. I would probably save the draft picks and deepen the prospect pool, but for the right top 6 forward I could be swayed.
- -Doh-

They don't have room for another $5-6m player.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 3 @ 12:17 PM ET
So the Hawks claim a Minny Dman.....

Trade coming?

- PatShart


Physical guy, about average size for an NHL defenseman.

Not the most mobile player in the world but he can hold his own at least.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 3 @ 12:17 PM ET
You can, Anderson could still be a black ace. I think if you let Lehner go, I think you still need a goalie with some NHL experience for the rest of the year. If the Hawks are in it, Crow would be playing 80% of the rest of the games. Forget about concussion, what happens, if Crow tweaks his groin again?
- LAHawk


If Crow goes down to injury you get a better draft pick. AND you can say that you did not tank intentionally. Win Win
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Feb 3 @ 12:18 PM ET
you wouldn't take a 2nd and a conditional 1st for a pending UFA goaltender? I mean, you kinda need those picks...
- BINGO!


You wouldnt trade a first for a vezina finalist having another good year....when you have a solid team that needs a top goalie?

I mean, you kinda need a goalie...
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Feb 3 @ 12:18 PM ET
DO NOT GIVE UP HIGH DRAFT CHOICES for players !! While the Hawks were winning three cups, they really did not have that much in their farm system. They are getting better, but need to give stocking the system with good solid players. Sure superstars are nice, but tough to acquire. Load system with as many good solid all around players as possible and the only way to do this is not give up future assets.
- chuckdahammer

When you are 1-2 pieces away, ok. But not when you are 5-6 pieces away.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 3 @ 12:19 PM ET
They don't have room for another $5-6m player.
- rpeters01


At the deadline the Canes will be able to add up to $5.5 million in salary without sending any salary back.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Feb 3 @ 12:20 PM ET
Teuvo, Pesce and a 1st for Lehner, Smith and Gus.
- HawkintheD

Who is giving the first? We're giving up one player...
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 3 @ 12:20 PM ET
You wouldnt trade a first for a vezina finalist having another good year....when you have a solid team that needs a top goalie?

I mean, you kinda need a goalie...

- PatShart


Tough to trade a 1st for a pending UFA, especially with two other goalies still signed for next season.

I'd give up a 1st if they can extend him, for sure.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Feb 3 @ 12:22 PM ET
So the Hawks claim a Minny Dman.....

Trade coming?

- PatShart

The replacement for Gus, we will now get a pick(s)for Gus.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Feb 3 @ 12:24 PM ET
So what's the scoop on Nick Seeler? I see only 6 games with the Wild this year, and he was a minus 6. Only six games prior with their minor league club before that, where he was a plus 9. Did he just come back from an injury? What did the Wild project him as prior to this development?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
Tough to trade a 1st for a pending UFA, especially with two other goalies still signed for next season.

I'd give up a 1st if they can extend him, for sure.

- BINGO!


It all depends on whether there's a couple contenders in need of a goalie at the deadline. If there are, the price would easily reach a 1st. If not, you get a good deal.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
Physical guy, about average size for an NHL defenseman.

Not the most mobile player in the world but he can hold his own at least.

- BINGO!


A cheaper Olli Matta then?
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