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Bill Meltzer
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Jan 26 @ 12:55 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Three Points for Konecny in ASG; Phantoms Lose
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 26 @ 9:34 AM ET
TSN did a rise and fall segment on which team they thought would drop out and which would make it.

Jamie McLennan chose Carolina to drop out based on goaltending and Philadelphia to pop in because we are build deep.

Frank Seravalli(who when they did this last year said St.Louis) went with Isles to drop out and the Leafs in.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...of-the-nhl-season~1884813
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 9:38 AM ET
TSN did a rise and fall segment on which team they thought would drop out and which would make it.

Jamie McLennan chose Carolina to drop out based on goaltending and Philadelphia to pop in because we are build deep.

Frank Seravalli(who when they did this last year said St.Louis) went with Isles to drop out and the Leafs in.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...of-the-nhl-season~1884813

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


The issue is that the Flyers aren't deep.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 26 @ 10:37 AM ET
The issue is that the Flyers aren't deep.
- MJL

Really?

They’ve managed to stay in the playoff race even though:

A top 9 C has been out all year

A top 6 LW has been gone for over a month and won’t return this season.

They have survived having 2 starting D out simultaneously

They got through the last couple weeks without their #1 goalie

Also survived the loss of quality depth players like Laughton and Raffl for significant stretches of time

They also got by when JVR wasn’t scoring at all, when Pitlick was rusty as hell and with Giroux not putting up his usual offensive numbers.

Kids like Myers, Farabee, NAK, Bunny, Vorobyev, Frost and most recently Rubtsov have all stepped up and contributed, some a lot, some just a bit, but all have helped out to some degree.

To still be in the playoff race while playing in the best and deepest division in the NHL tells me their depth is actually pretty good.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 26 @ 10:41 AM ET
TSN did a rise and fall segment on which team they thought would drop out and which would make it.

Jamie McLennan chose Carolina to drop out based on goaltending and Philadelphia to pop in because we are build deep.

Frank Seravalli(who when they did this last year said St.Louis) went with Isles to drop out and the Leafs in.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...of-the-nhl-season~1884813

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

We’re not remotely deep. You don’t sign Chris Stewart, or call up Rubtsov or Vorobyev at different times to fill roles or push Frost and Farabee into the league before they’re ready, if the Flyers are a deep team. Heck, Hart is out, so anything beyond him and Elliott looks really weak. Randomly needing to use Raffl at center or Giroux at center is a bad sign.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 26 @ 10:47 AM ET
Really?

They’ve managed to stay in the playoff race even though:

A top 9 C has been out all year

A top 6 LW has been gone for over a month and won’t return this season.

They have survived having 2 starting D out simultaneously

They got through the last couple weeks without their #1 goalie

Also survived the loss of quality depth players like Laughton and Raffl for significant stretches of time

They also got by when JVR wasn’t scoring at all, when Pitlick was rusty as hell and with Giroux not putting up his usual offensive numbers.

Kids like Myers, Farabee, NAK, Bunny, Vorobyev, Frost and most recently Rubtsov have all stepped up and contributed, some a lot, some just a bit, but all have helped out to some degree.

To still be in the playoff race while playing in the best and deepest division in the NHL tells me their depth is actually pretty good.

- BiggE


Very well put. The kids are coming. I thought the division was going to be really tight before the hit on depth without Patrick, Morin, and Lindblom. But we are still in this race! Let’s go Flyers!


SuperSchennBros
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Jan 26 @ 10:49 AM ET
Really?

They’ve managed to stay in the playoff race even though:

A top 9 C has been out all year

A top 6 LW has been gone for over a month and won’t return this season.

They have survived having 2 starting D out simultaneously

They got through the last couple weeks without their #1 goalie

Also survived the loss of quality depth players like Laughton and Raffl for significant stretches of time

They also got by when JVR wasn’t scoring at all, when Pitlick was rusty as hell and with Giroux not putting up his usual offensive numbers.

Kids like Myers, Farabee, NAK, Bunny, Vorobyev, Frost and most recently Rubtsov have all stepped up and contributed, some a lot, some just a bit, but all have helped out to some degree.

To still be in the playoff race while playing in the best and deepest division in the NHL tells me their depth is actually pretty good.

- BiggE

No disrespect but I don’t see how this makes up deep. It makes us sound good, which we are a good team but not deep.
countreeman28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.10.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:53 AM ET
Really?

They’ve managed to stay in the playoff race even though:

A top 9 C has been out all year

A top 6 LW has been gone for over a month and won’t return this season.

They have survived having 2 starting D out simultaneously

They got through the last couple weeks without their #1 goalie

Also survived the loss of quality depth players like Laughton and Raffl for significant stretches of time

They also got by when JVR wasn’t scoring at all, when Pitlick was rusty as hell and with Giroux not putting up his usual offensive numbers.

Kids like Myers, Farabee, NAK, Bunny, Vorobyev, Frost and most recently Rubtsov have all stepped up and contributed, some a lot, some just a bit, but all have helped out to some degree.

To still be in the playoff race while playing in the best and deepest division in the NHL tells me their depth is actually pretty good.

- BiggE



Agreed wholeheartedly.




MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 11:25 AM ET
Really?

They’ve managed to stay in the playoff race even though:

A top 9 C has been out all year

A top 6 LW has been gone for over a month and won’t return this season.

They have survived having 2 starting D out simultaneously

They got through the last couple weeks without their #1 goalie

Also survived the loss of quality depth players like Laughton and Raffl for significant stretches of time

They also got by when JVR wasn’t scoring at all, when Pitlick was rusty as hell and with Giroux not putting up his usual offensive numbers.

Kids like Myers, Farabee, NAK, Bunny, Vorobyev, Frost and most recently Rubtsov have all stepped up and contributed, some a lot, some just a bit, but all have helped out to some degree.

To still be in the playoff race while playing in the best and deepest division in the NHL tells me their depth is actually pretty good.

- BiggE


We're talking about making the playoffs, not being in the race. The Flyers have been in the playoff race with far lesser teams. The games get harder as the season goes on. Young players are going to be counted on for even more. If the Flyers get a major injury to Provorov, Couturier or Konceny, can they withstand that? That's when depth comes in. The Flyers have a bottom 6 issue and you know this. That's why they had to recently move Giroux back to center.

We'll see if Frost can make it back up and make a contribution. Other players like Giroux need to step up for the Flyers to make the playoffs in my opinion.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 26 @ 11:34 AM ET
We're talking about making the playoffs, not being in the race. The Flyers have been in the playoff race with far lesser teams. The games get harder as the season goes on. Young players are going to be counted on for even more. If the Flyers get a major injury to Provorov, Couturier or Konceny, can they withstand that? That's when depth comes in. The Flyers have a bottom 6 issue and you know this. That's why they had to recently move Giroux back to center.

We'll see if Frost can make it back up and make a contribution. Other players like Giroux need to step up for the Flyers to make the playoffs in my opinion.

- MJL

The depth has come in already as stated by all the crap the team has been through. People keep bringing up G back to center like he didn’t play the position for a decade. Depth is being able to convert one of your top wingers into the 1/2 center slot if needed. We’ve been able to fight through and I expect the team to get better.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jan 26 @ 11:58 AM ET
I remember this being a topic of discussion on this board, months back. Freddy Meyer is still paying dividends.

https://section215.com/20...phia-flyers-freddy-meyer/
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 26 @ 12:04 PM ET
We're talking about making the playoffs, not being in the race. The Flyers have been in the playoff race with far lesser teams. The games get harder as the season goes on. Young players are going to be counted on for even more. If the Flyers get a major injury to Provorov, Couturier or Konceny, can they withstand that? That's when depth comes in. The Flyers have a bottom 6 issue and you know this. That's why they had to recently move Giroux back to center.

We'll see if Frost can make it back up and make a contribution. Other players like Giroux need to step up for the Flyers to make the playoffs in my opinion.

- MJL

The Flyers aren’t an elite, top of the league team so yeah, they’d probably struggle if they lost either of three players you mentioned.

But even among the top teams:

How would Tampa look without Vasilevskiy or Hedman?

Boston without Pasta?

Washington without Carlson or Ovi?

Colorado without Mackinnon?

The Flyers depth may not be elite, but it’s at least league average, if not above average.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 26 @ 12:11 PM ET
The Flyers aren’t an elite, top of the league team so yeah, they’d probably struggle if they lost either of three players you mentioned.

But even among the top teams:

How would Tampa look without Vasilevskiy or Hedman?

Boston without Pasta?

Washington without Carlson or Ovi?

Colorado without Mackinnon?

The Flyers depth may not be elite, but it’s at least league average, if not above average.

- BiggE

Not to mention we are 3 points out of third and 11 off first in the division with a ton in conference games coming. Here comes the penguins did it rebuttal too lol
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 26 @ 12:19 PM ET
Not to mention we are 3 points out of third and 11 off first in the division with a ton in conference games coming. Here comes the penguins did it rebuttal too lol
- ClaudeFather

The Pens did it, this is true. Anyone else? No? The Pens are an outlier.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 26 @ 12:29 PM ET

When the season started a lot of folks thought the Flyers would be a team that would improve as the season progressed due to the new coaching staff implementation of new systems and the team youth. Now we’ll see. The Flyers are currently ranked 11th among the 31 NHL teams so far. Of the 10 teams ahead of them in the standings, 5 are in the Metro and 8 are EC teams. Of those 10, the Flyers have at least one win against 6 of them. The other 4, they will be facing off against in short order.

That they control their own destiny sounds cliche, but the tough schedule really is an excellent opportunity to gain in the playoff race. In February, they get the chance for wins and valuable points against those other 4 they have yet to beat—NY Islanders, Tampa, Colorado, and Florida (twice). Of the top 10 teams, in February the Flyers also play Pittsburgh, Washington and Columbus (twice). They have beat those 3 teams before this season and will get another chance for valuable points against them. All of this before the trade deadline...by which time they will either have sunk or will be swimming in a playoff spot.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:31 PM ET
The depth has come in already as stated by all the crap the team has been through. People keep bringing up G back to center like he didn’t play the position for a decade. Depth is being able to convert one of your top wingers into the 1/2 center slot if needed. We’ve been able to fight through and I expect the team to get better.
- ClaudeFather


The depth has come in already yet they're still on the outside looking in and on the bubble for a wild card spot. Depth is not what you say it is. They lost a key forward in Lindblom and can't replace him. In moving Giroux to center they lose another top 6 forward spot. Now I'll agree that center is a more important spot but the reason they had to do that is because they don't like what they have in the bottom 6 at center. 4th line center has been a revolving door.

In closing, I disagree with the premise that they Flyers will make the playoffs because of depth. They'll make it because Hart plays well and their top players play well and hopefully get some good contribution from the young kids. If Giroux doesn't raise his game, I think the Flyers will struggle to make the playoffs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:31 PM ET
The Flyers aren’t an elite, top of the league team so yeah, they’d probably struggle if they lost either of three players you mentioned.

But even among the top teams:

How would Tampa look without Vasilevskiy or Hedman?

Boston without Pasta?

Washington without Carlson or Ovi?

Colorado without Mackinnon?

The Flyers depth may not be elite, but it’s at least league average, if not above average.

- BiggE


All of those teams would still be solid playoff teams
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 26 @ 12:35 PM ET
The depth has come in already yet they're still on the outside looking in and on the bubble for a wild card spot. Depth is not what you say it is. They lost a key forward in Lindblom and can't replace him. In moving Giroux to center they lose another top 6 forward spot. Now I'll agree that center is a more important spot but the reason they had to do that is because they don't like what they have in the bottom 6 at center. 4th line center has been a revolving door.

In closing, I disagree with the premise that they Flyers will make the playoffs because of depth. They'll make it because Hart plays well and their top players play well and hopefully get some good contribution from the young kids. If Giroux doesn't raise his game, I think the Flyers will struggle to make the playoffs.

- MJL

It’s never gonna be one thing but the depth they have certainly helps. They might not have a staple fourth line center but the past 5 games against better competition they’ve made it work and looked good while doing it. This has been the best depth we’ve had in years, not saying it’s best in the league but it’s certainly doing the job. Minus Stewart ...
SuperSchennBros
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Jan 26 @ 1:36 PM ET
I think there is major confusion here between how talented a team is and depth. A perfect example is the Forsberg era. Prior to letting Recchi walk, buying out LeClair and Amonte, as well as trading Roenick, that was a deep team. Once we moved on from them we became thin and were basically a one line team, even with Richards and Carter as rookies. Now, this team is deeper than the Forsberg era but how call ups are not impressive NHL players. Whatever or whomever that watches from the press box, aren’t game changers in anyway. The talent we play every night are the guys we need every night to have any kind of success. Nothing else steps in and improves us.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 26 @ 2:03 PM ET
I think there is major confusion here between how talented a team is and depth. A perfect example is the Forsberg era. Prior to letting Recchi walk, buying out LeClair and Amonte, as well as trading Roenick, that was a deep team. Once we moved on from them we became thin and were basically a one line team, even with Richards and Carter as rookies. Now, this team is deeper than the Forsberg era but how call ups are not impressive NHL players. Whatever or whomever that watches from the press box, aren’t game changers in anyway. The talent we play every night are the guys we need every night to have any kind of success. Nothing else steps in and improves us.
- SuperSchennBros

Looking around the league not many game changers in the press box...
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jan 26 @ 2:49 PM ET
I think there is major confusion here between how talented a team is and depth. A perfect example is the Forsberg era. Prior to letting Recchi walk, buying out LeClair and Amonte, as well as trading Roenick, that was a deep team. Once we moved on from them we became thin and were basically a one line team, even with Richards and Carter as rookies. Now, this team is deeper than the Forsberg era but how call ups are not impressive NHL players. Whatever or whomever that watches from the press box, aren’t game changers in anyway. The talent we play every night are the guys we need every night to have any kind of success. Nothing else steps in and improves us.
- SuperSchennBros


Prior to the Forsberg era, there was no salary cap in the NHL. As far as depth goes, most teams nowadays get thin pretty quickly.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 26 @ 3:19 PM ET
Just heard Kobe Bryant died in a helicopter accident!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 26 @ 3:21 PM ET
Prior to the Forsberg era, there was no salary cap in the NHL. As far as depth goes, most teams nowadays get thin pretty quickly.
- bmeltzer

Bill don’t forget about the game changers in the press box tho, we need some of those.
copelal
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore, MD
Joined: 03.12.2014

Jan 26 @ 3:38 PM ET
Kobe Bryant

Unbelievable... tragic...
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 26 @ 4:30 PM ET
Just heard Kobe Bryant died in a helicopter accident!
- Dkos

Awful. I thought it was a joke when I first saw the news. Man, I will never get into a helicopter. Those things go down absolutely out of nowhere.
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