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Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 24 @ 3:55 PM ET
McKenzie says Toronto is looking for a right handed defeseman with term. Murphy would fit in great, right handed, term, and a low cap hit of $3.85 mil. However I would not move him unless Toronto overpays, Say Kapanen, Bracco and their second?
Murphy IMO is a very valuable member of the team right now.

- LAHawk


Might be a bit of an overpayment by Toronto IMO but I could maybe see something like that work if other pieces from us was involved. Perhaps a Sikura, Delia, Crow (MAYBE; from Montreal so idk about going to Toronto), maybe even Nylander to play with his bro.

I like Murphy a lot and have said for awhile he's a guy I would want to keep around...BUT if a team like Toronto came and offered a package like that and overpaid I would seriously have to think about it and probably do it. If it included Timothy Liljegren coming back and Nylander going the other way that could intrigue me even more by that.

Kap is guy who could add some seriously much needed speed and depth scoring to the roster.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 24 @ 4:09 PM ET
What area(s) is Carlsson not so good. He is rated
- jhawk59[šceiling] as only a third pair. Yet he possess some qualities that would stand out on the Blackhawks bottom pair. He has paired with Boqvist and has a good shot on the Pp

From the last blog.

Carlsson can get over aggressive at times which can pull him away from proper defensive coverage, similar to the flaw that many on the boards have pointed out about Gilbert.

Something that I enjoy seeing with Beaudin and Krys in their rookie seasons is that they make a conscientious effort to constantly check their surroundings and will reset back to covering the slot if they get drawn away.

It's not that Carlsson doesn't do this. He's generally great at protecting the net when he's there but does get drawn away toward the puck in the corners or behind the net from time to time without making sure his D partner has slot coverage.

Carlsson's strengths, though, include fluid skating and having a cannon of a shot. He's also physical with a mean streak.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 24 @ 4:12 PM ET
For Puljujarvi and we’ll throw in our #1 for 2020, maybe we can even get Manning back.
- Angotti


I would rather take Eli Manning out of retirement different sport than the ex Blackhawk Manning!
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jan 24 @ 4:20 PM ET
Danault was a terrible trade. Just have to chalk it up to a bad trade by Bowman. I get the going for Cup thing but there was no way Condiments and Dale (frank)ing Weisse were going to help any teams.

Opportunity also plays a part. Sharp and Versteeg were different cases. Sharp was pretty much blocked in Philly with their center depth at the time. Which Sharp was at the time.

Versteeg must have been a guy someone in the organization really liked. I had no idea who Versteeg was before he became a Hawk but he sure filled a role here.

- Elbows15

I think this is revisionist history. I remember hearing many people on this site, AS WELL AS on the NHL Network, saying that the Hawks won the TDL. I do remember people here saying that Danault was a lot to give up, but most people thought Bowman did well that season. It even continued into the playoffs where posters were blasting Q for leaving Weiss in the press box, or not giving him enough TOI.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 24 @ 4:24 PM ET
I think this is revisionist history. I remember hearing many people on this site, AS WELL AS on the NHL Network, saying that the Hawks won the TDL. I do remember people here saying that Danault was a lot to give up, but most people thought Bowman did well that season. It even continued into the playoffs where posters were blasting Q for leaving Weiss in the press box, or not giving him enough TOI.
- tvetter


Wasn't Fleishmann a Q guy, as he had him in Colorado? If I remember correctly, Q played the hell out of him.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 24 @ 4:35 PM ET
I think this is revisionist history. I remember hearing many people on this site, AS WELL AS on the NHL Network, saying that the Hawks won the TDL. I do remember people here saying that Danault was a lot to give up, but most people thought Bowman did well that season. It even continued into the playoffs where posters were blasting Q for leaving Weiss in the press box, or not giving him enough TOI.
- tvetter

That trade sucked the minute it was made. Q left Weiss in the press box because he sucks Weiss thinks he is some top 6 guy. Condiments was signed off a PTO that season. Weiss had some okay numbers for him because he was playing a lot early in the season due to injuries in Montreal.



I hated the trade then and now.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 24 @ 4:40 PM ET
Wasn't Fleishmann a Q guy, as he had him in Colorado? If I remember correctly, Q played the hell out of him.
- LAHawk

IIRC, by the time the playoffs came around, he was sitting him. Fleishmann was done. He may have a decent pick up a couple of years earlier. He had a decent start to the season in Montreal after making the team on a PTO. He was fading when the Hawks acquired him. So much so that he was out of the NHL after that season.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 24 @ 4:42 PM ET
I have put some thought into whom we protect for the expansion draft. I realize there are different viewpoints or ways to go about building a new better team, the rebuild on the fly. So my thoughts is just one approach.

I will just spend this couple lines on one point which I have brought up previously; I just have difficulty believing we cannot trade Seabrook if he waives NM clause BUT have a prearranged deal in place immediately after the draft wherein we reacquire him. And honestly how much if next season dies he miss recuperating? Even if his skating is better, we do not know if he will still be too too slow in his skating

The major concern I have with our protection list however is not involve Seabrook. Much as I dislike any slow skaters, we need to keep a big body forward so either Saad or Strome as the last protected. Whom would you prefer to keep and are you ok with the money they get fitting their role? The salary cap sort of forced you to not overpay for a third line player, which Saad sometimes is just that.

The argument that we will be looking for another Saad type if we trade him - it has merit. Loosing a veteran dman is not that big a deal. Even if we traded Murphy with Seabrook - just to protect someone on our list - you can pick up veteran dmen although not likely as good as Murphy ( he also is important because he is the main guy lending muscle on defense). Still you have to give up something if indeed you are moving Seabrook back and forth.

In two years our kids on defense aren't so much greenhorns anyway
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 24 @ 4:57 PM ET
I think this is revisionist history. I remember hearing many people on this site, AS WELL AS on the NHL Network, saying that the Hawks won the TDL. I do remember people here saying that Danault was a lot to give up, but most people thought Bowman did well that season. It even continued into the playoffs where posters were blasting Q for leaving Weiss in the press box, or not giving him enough TOI.
- tvetter


A lot of that had more to do with the Hawks getting Ladd I think than Weise and Fleischmann.

Kind of like the year before where Vermette was considered a great get at the TDL, Ladd was the player that was coveted in 2016.

The sad thing was at that time, was that Danault was a really solid part of a 3rd line. Idk if he would have made the difference in the playoffs but it wasn't an issue of Q not trusting a younger player. Not sure what Danault's minutes were but it seemed Q liked him.

People can use revisionist history to piss and moan about several Bowman trades (and do btw), but that is one that I didn't like at the time and has never really looked good.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jan 24 @ 5:12 PM ET
From the last blog.

Carlsson can get over aggressive at times which can pull him away from proper defensive coverage, similar to the flaw that many on the boards have pointed out about Gilbert.

Something that I enjoy seeing with Beaudin and Krys in their rookie seasons is that they make a conscientious effort to constantly check their surroundings and will reset back to covering the slot if they get drawn away.

It's not that Carlsson doesn't do this. He's generally great at protecting the net when he's there but does get drawn away toward the puck in the corners or behind the net from time to time without making sure his D partner has slot coverage.

Carlsson's strengths, though, include fluid skating and having a cannon of a shot. He's also physical with a mean streak.

- AEL_Fox

AEL, can Beaudin play in the NHL next year? Or does he need another year in the A?
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jan 24 @ 5:18 PM ET
Might be a bit of an overpayment by Toronto IMO but I could maybe see something like that work if other pieces from us was involved. Perhaps a Sikura, Delia, Crow (MAYBE; from Montreal so idk about going to Toronto), maybe even Nylander to play with his bro.

I like Murphy a lot and have said for awhile he's a guy I would want to keep around...BUT if a team like Toronto came and offered a package like that and overpaid I would seriously have to think about it and probably do it. If it included Timothy Liljegren coming back and Nylander going the other way that could intrigue me even more by that.

Kap is guy who could add some seriously much needed speed and depth scoring to the roster.

- Savetheembers33

The only way I would trade Murphy is if we got an overpayment back. He’s good, he’s affordable, he’s still young, and he’s a right Dman. All Dmen have a learning curve, he’s now past that, so if another team is to reap those benefits, they better be ready to pay.




SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 24 @ 5:30 PM ET
IIRC, by the time the playoffs came around, he was sitting him. Fleishmann was done. He may have a decent pick up a couple of years earlier. He had a decent start to the season in Montreal after making the team on a PTO. He was fading when the Hawks acquired him. So much so that he was out of the NHL after that season.
- Elbows15


Weiss and Fleischmann each played 4 games. Between them they contributed 1 point a goal by Weiss in game 6...IIRC.

Believe that was the year on top of Fleischmann and Weiss they added Ehrhoff, and Ladd.

I also remember the anarchy on here for trading away Marko Dano….those were fun times. That guy was crap then, and is still crap.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 24 @ 5:39 PM ET
The only way I would trade Murphy is if we got an overpayment back. He’s good, he’s affordable, he’s still young, and he’s a right Dman. All Dmen have a learning curve, he’s now past that, so if another team is to reap those benefits, they better be ready to pay.
- Angotti


That is exactly the attitude to have. I suggested that he could go to Seattle in a move wherin we include Seabrook but then get Seabs back. I do not really want to do this but you have to give to get something done. And it would be a buyers market (Seattle) to win win a trade. We might wind up no trade and just loose a good player whomever that turns out to be
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 24 @ 5:40 PM ET
If you move Lehner I would risk giving Crow one year at $5mil/$6mil or 2 years at $4mil. Lankinen or Delia getting their footing as a backup. If Crow goes down with a concussion he goes on LTIR and you can probably find a replacement mid year (similar to the "B" level goalies we are talking about signing if both Lehner and Crow walk).
- -Doh-

Crow will never see $5 from anyone.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 24 @ 5:43 PM ET
A lot of that had more to do with the Hawks getting Ladd I think than Weise and Fleischmann.

Kind of like the year before where Vermette was considered a great get at the TDL, Ladd was the player that was coveted in 2016.

The sad thing was at that time, was that Danault was a really solid part of a 3rd line. Idk if he would have made the difference in the playoffs but it wasn't an issue of Q not trusting a younger player. Not sure what Danault's minutes were but it seemed Q liked him.

People can use revisionist history to piss and moan about several Bowman trades (and do btw), but that is one that I didn't like at the time and has never really looked good.

- HawkintheD


For sure Ladd won them the headlines. Just like AV did the year before and allotted cap space with having kane on IR until the playoffs. Very similar to what many are speculating STL will do with Tarasenko this spring.

As far as Danault goes, they had Kruger, AA, Toews down the middle. You had a veteran like Desjardin who was a gritty, not going to hurt you guy come playoff time. I understood Bowman's willingness to go all in and acquire more veteran depth guys..you had Hossa, Kane, AA, Ladd, Toews, Teuvo, Panarin, Shaw, Kruger, Desjardin.....that team SHOUDL have advanced a lot further. Fleischmann gave them depth scoring adding 5 points in 19 games. He did tail off as Elbows alluded to.

The move that hurt them was dealing Daley to Pittsburgh for turd Scuderi and then flipping Scuderi for Ehrhoff...They still had 2/4/7 and a young TVR but were unable to fill that oduya hole.

Danault was getting 12:50 a game

What a few months on this board that was.....

Dano sent packing for ladd and idiot Lazerus claiming it would haunt the Hawks for years. WRONG

Danault sent packing.

Teuvo sent packing that summer to move Bickell's deal.....






rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 24 @ 5:46 PM ET
So if you trade Lehner because you cannot afford him, then whom is the long term answer in goal? You believe in Delia/Laakinen)Gravel. You cannot gamble on those young goaltenders. They progress to be NHL goaltenders and then after being in the league a couple years.. reassess IF they might be good enough to view for the starters job.

Lehner might want a lot of money but if you give him five years at$7.5 that is attractive enough should he wish to have roots in Chicago.

- jhawk59

Somebody put out the list of UFA goalies next year it's long. If not Lehner they won't need to go over $3 @ 1yr including soon to be 36 year old multiple concussion CC.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 24 @ 5:47 PM ET
That is exactly the attitude to have. I suggested that he could go to Seattle in a move wherin we include Seabrook but then get Seabs back. I do not really want to do this but you have to give to get something done. And it would be a buyers market (Seattle) to win win a trade. We might wind up no trade and just loose a good player whomever that turns out to be
- jhawk59


I am not a huge Murphy fan but they cant trade him.

You have injury concerns with DeHaan and Seabrook.
You will/better lose Gus
keith isn't going to not age...at some point a decline is happening.

IMO the D picture is clearer then at F.

You dump Gus, you possibly dangle Maata and you sign Mitchell and move along.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 24 @ 6:00 PM ET
For sure Ladd won them the headlines. Just like AV did the year before and allotted cap space with having kane on IR until the playoffs. Very similar to what many are speculating STL will do with Tarasenko this spring.

As far as Danault goes, they had Kruger, AA, Toews down the middle. You had a veteran like Desjardin who was a gritty, not going to hurt you guy come playoff time. I understood Bowman's willingness to go all in and acquire more veteran depth guys..you had Hossa, Kane, AA, Ladd, Toews, Teuvo, Panarin, Shaw, Kruger, Desjardin.....that team SHOUDL have advanced a lot further. Fleischmann gave them depth scoring adding 5 points in 19 games. He did tail off as Elbows alluded to.

The move that hurt them was dealing Daley to Pittsburgh for turd Scuderi and then flipping Scuderi for Ehrhoff...They still had 2/4/7 and a young TVR but were unable to fill that oduya hole.

Danault was getting 12:50 a game

What a few months on this board that was.....

Dano sent packing for ladd and idiot Lazerus claiming it would haunt the Hawks for years. WRONG

Danault sent packing.

Teuvo sent packing that summer to move Bickell's deal.....

- SteveRain


I don't think trading Daley was any big deal. He wasn't nearly replacing what Oduya brought. The big loss was not being able to hang on to Oduya.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jan 24 @ 6:06 PM ET
Meh. It is just some person's opinion. Few have any idea how players are perceived by the people who make decisions in the league.
- Elbows15


Probably mostly LeBrun's opinion, but he also said he spoke with the teams trying to get a sense of who they might be targeting or looking to sell. Not that any GM will give up their leverage by telling him, but was surprised to see not one mention of anyone other than Lehner as pieces from Chicago that could be good TDL additions for teams on the bubble.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 24 @ 6:25 PM ET
https://twitter.com/CRoum.../1220519488757665793?s=09
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jan 24 @ 6:29 PM ET
https://twitter.com/CRoumeliotis/status/1220519488757665793?s=09
- BetweenTheDots


Other teams' fans really should learn that he uses those boos as his superpower. He seems to play his best when he's being disrespected or underestimated or in tight game situations.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 24 @ 6:42 PM ET
Kane and Keith named to the 1st team for the All decade team
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 24 @ 6:43 PM ET
Probably mostly LeBrun's opinion, but he also said he spoke with the teams trying to get a sense of who they might be targeting or looking to sell. Not that any GM will give up their leverage by telling him, but was surprised to see not one mention of anyone other than Lehner as pieces from Chicago that could be good TDL additions for teams on the bubble.
- pdx2ord

Which probably means they are targets. lol
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jan 24 @ 7:00 PM ET
Wasn't Fleishmann a Q guy, as he had him in Colorado? If I remember correctly, Q played the hell out of him.
- LAHawk



You might be thinking of Kyle Cumisky
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jan 24 @ 7:05 PM ET
McKenzie says Toronto is looking for a right handed defeseman with term. Murphy would fit in great, right handed, term, and a low cap hit of $3.85 mil. However I would not move him unless Toronto overpays, Say Kapanen, Bracco and their second?
Murphy IMO is a very valuable member of the team right now.

- LAHawk


Murphy (when healthy) has been one of the Hawks most consistent d-men the past two seasons. Unless the offer is totally overwhelming he's going nowhere.
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