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Wesley Peters
Location: Niverville, MB
Joined: 12.05.2019

Jan 23 @ 10:43 PM ET
Wesley Peters: Jets Come Up Short in Columbus
Dcdaddy
Joined: 05.04.2018

Jan 24 @ 12:42 AM ET
What? The jets had a great year last year? Not really. They had a good first half but finished the season very poorly (around .500 over the last 40) with a fractured locker room. Yes they picked it up for the playoffs, but not enough. I’m not a fire Pomo proponent as I feel the roster has been mismanaged a bit, but I do think something needs to change in the systems they play
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 24 @ 7:00 AM ET
What? The jets had a great year last year? Not really. They had a good first half but finished the season very poorly (around .500 over the last 40) with a fractured locker room. Yes they picked it up for the playoffs, but not enough. I’m not a fire Pomo proponent as I feel the roster has been mismanaged a bit, but I do think something needs to change in the systems they play
- Dcdaddy



Completely agree - that is pretty well exactly the way I feel as well.

Can we not take a page out of Barry Trotz' playbook and change the defensive system, or don't we have the horses to do that?
Burnt_juice
Joined: 07.22.2018

Jan 24 @ 8:40 AM ET
I also logged in to post a similar comment as above. The Jets did not have a great regular season last year. The writing was on the wall after such a poor second half. It was convenient that we get to say we lost to the cup champs and that’s poor luck. But in reality, it was good luck to have that matchup for the uninformed who love excuses.

There is currently a fantastic coach available in Gallant. This seasons shortcomings are being chalked up to a depleted blueline, and there’s no denying that. But the second half of last season and the subsequent first round elimination showed that Maurice was unable to light a fire under his squad when healthy/complete. Coaches like GG don’t become available too often, and a truly hope management is taking a look. He took a young lacklustre panthers team and turned them into a playoff team in a heartbeat. Then after “philosophical differences” he was canned, and went on to lead to misfits we know as Vegas to the cup final in their inaugural season. Something to think about, Chevy.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jan 24 @ 9:45 AM ET
I also logged in to post a similar comment as above. The Jets did not have a great regular season last year. The writing was on the wall after such a poor second half. It was convenient that we get to say we lost to the cup champs and that’s poor luck. But in reality, it was good luck to have that matchup for the uninformed who love excuses.

There is currently a fantastic coach available in Gallant. This seasons shortcomings are being chalked up to a depleted blueline, and there’s no denying that. But the second half of last season and the subsequent first round elimination showed that Maurice was unable to light a fire under his squad when healthy/complete. Coaches like GG don’t become available too often, and a truly hope management is taking a look. He took a young lacklustre panthers team and turned them into a playoff team in a heartbeat. Then after “philosophical differences” he was canned, and went on to lead to misfits we know as Vegas to the cup final in their inaugural season. Something to think about, Chevy.

- Burnt_juice


No way that Chevy will hire someone that is not on the same page as management/ownership. Gallant has been canned twice.

mcjags
New Jersey Devils
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 06.12.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:55 AM ET
I think there's a slim chance that Gallant would coach here. If you look at the roster, the defence has 2 true top 6 dman currently, we have 5 offensive forwards, 4 true 3rd or 4th line players and then AHL level replacements. I don't think a new coach could do much with that roster...even when healthy. Gallant will have better opportunities if he waits until the off-season.

Honestly, I think Chevy is more to blame for the struggles of the team than PoMo. Injuries, lack of depth and poor roster/asset management have been the downfall of the team.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 10:31 AM ET
I think there's a slim chance that Gallant would coach here. If you look at the roster, the defence has 2 true top 6 dman currently, we have 5 offensive forwards, 4 true 3rd or 4th line players and then AHL level replacements. I don't think a new coach could do much with that roster...even when healthy. Gallant will have better opportunities if he waits until the off-season.

Honestly, I think Chevy is more to blame for the struggles of the team than PoMo. Injuries, lack of depth and poor roster/asset management have been the downfall of the team.

- mcjags


This
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 10:33 AM ET
Completely agree - that is pretty well exactly the way I feel as well.

Can we not take a page out of Barry Trotz' playbook and change the defensive system, or don't we have the horses to do that?

- grahamzky


The Islanders defense is just as good as the Jets. Defensive systems have been a problem with this team from the very beginning. Outside of the 2017-18 season, this team consistently finishes in the bottom 10 for penalty kill. I hope they fire Huddy as well.
Aerchon
Joined: 10.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:01 AM ET
I watched my first jets game in a while. My thoughts:

Goaltending was far more good than bad. The Jets were giving up far too many high quality scoring chances. Is that the "new" norm? I certainly don't remember that to start the year.

Changing the defensive system may be an answer but I would think from watching just having some solid vet defense with stronger gap control with more active sticks/blocks could go a long ways.

Supplement a young promising defense with a hardworking vet or two.

I would think Winnipeg could aquire one relatively easy, if not now for next year. Out of curiosity who would be available to trade? Ehlers maybe?

Coaching, especially with their start and a shoe string defense, doesn't really seem to be the biggest worry.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jan 24 @ 11:09 AM ET
The Islanders defense is just as good as the Jets. Defensive systems have been a problem with this team from the very beginning. Outside of the 2017-18 season, this team consistently finishes in the bottom 10 for penalty kill. I hope they fire Huddy as well.
- TheUltimateJet


I think the Islanders d-men are better than ours.
Huddy has somehow lasted for far too long as a coach here.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:20 AM ET
I watched my first jets game in a while. My thoughts:

Goaltending was far more good than bad. The Jets were giving up far too many high quality scoring chances. Is that the "new" norm? I certainly don't remember that to start the year.

Changing the defensive system may be an answer but I would think from watching just having some solid vet defense with stronger gap control with more active sticks/blocks could go a long ways.

Supplement a young promising defense with a hardworking vet or two.

I would think Winnipeg could aquire one relatively easy, if not now for next year. Out of curiosity who would be available to trade? Ehlers maybe?

Coaching, especially with their start and a shoe string defense, doesn't really seem to be the biggest worry.

- Aerchon


Well the Jets have some difficult decisions to make. They are stacked on the wing, weak at center and defense. None of our young high scoring wingers: Connor, Laine, Ehlers, and Roslovic have shown they are capable of carrying their own lines. Supposedly the Jets have high hopes for Vesalainen and they have also started Harkins on the wing as well. The Jets spend the most money on the wing whereas they have the highest percentage of their cap space invested there. Something definitely has to give.

The scary thought for me is that I truly believe that Laine will have a career year next year, and then the Jets will sign him to a ridiculous contract to only watch him disappear afterwards. And, Chevy has consistently shown that he is unable to sell high on players. We are definitely heading for a conundrum.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 24 @ 11:37 AM ET
Completely agree - that is pretty well exactly the way I feel as well.

Can we not take a page out of Barry Trotz' playbook and change the defensive system, or don't we have the horses to do that?

- grahamzky


I'm extremely curious about these supposed internal "Scoring Chances" that Maurice touts.

He suggested that in the game against Carolina the Jets internally had the scoring chances 4-3 in favour of Carolina, but I'd say the disparity was far, far greater than that.

I'm very confused as to what they're counting, because it seems to me that they're doing themselves a disservice by acting like the playing field is more even than it really has been.
islansjet
Joined: 03.13.2017

Jan 24 @ 11:53 AM ET
It's hard to watch the Jets this season. The team's lack of a defensive system has been a problem for the last 2 seasons and it's hard to watch. The Jets spend way too much time in their own zone, giving up too many high quality shots and relying on Helly to play great and stop everything in order to stay in the game. When they get the puck their breakout is slow and predictable as is their powerplay. Don't blame this seasons Jets defense as these problems were evident last season when the team had their 4 departed d-men. I believe that Maurice has done all he wants to or is able to do and it's time the Jets move on from him while there is still time left to salvage this season. If they wait this season is done and high quality coaches like Gallant and Laviolette will be snapped up by other teams so act now while they don't have competition to sign them and this will give the coach more time to assess the roster and have some input as to how to move forward.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 24 @ 11:56 AM ET
I'm extremely curious about these supposed internal "Scoring Chances" that Maurice touts.

He suggested that in the game against Carolina the Jets internally had the scoring chances 4-3 in favour of Carolina, but I'd say the disparity was far, far greater than that.

I'm very confused as to what they're counting, because it seems to me that they're doing themselves a disservice by acting like the playing field is more even than it really has been.

- BINGO!


The scoring chances on a recent four game trip from the "high danger area" were something like 54-13 - for the opposition! Does that tell you something?

What it tells me is that we will not be a successful team until this changes.

That IS our #1 problem - I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out though, eh?

Before next season we need to either bring in a true #1 d-man - or a couple of proven vets (defensively minded) or preferably fix the system.

Still wonder if Matt Dumba might be in a Jets uniform next season - night have to be a three-way trade though as teams don't like dealing within their own division. But unless the system changes, it may not matter.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 24 @ 12:17 PM ET
The scoring chances on a recent four game trip from the "high danger area" were something like 54-13 - for the opposition! Does that tell you something?

What it tells me is that we will not be a successful team until this changes.

That IS our #1 problem - I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out though, eh?

Before next season we need to either bring in a true #1 d-man - or a couple of proven vets (defensively minded) or preferably fix the system.

Still wonder if Matt Dumba might be in a Jets uniform next season - night have to be a three-way trade though as teams don't like dealing within their own division. But unless the system changes, it may not matter.

- grahamzky



That's what I mean! Those are the publicly available stats, but Maurice says their internal numbers are much closer than that... To me, that indicates that their internal numbers are very wrong, because the public ones seem to line up a lot better with what I'm seeing on the ice than their internal ones.

Does he really expect people to believe that a 4-1 game where they got outshot 29-17 really only had the scoring chances be 4-3? What a joke.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 24 @ 12:25 PM ET
interesting pending UFA's this summer for blue line help, but i'm also very interested to see what Samberg does. Samberg, Heinola and full year of Niku is absolutely an improvement over Biteto, Sbiza, Kulikov, Beaulieu, Dahlstrom.

-Peitrangelo
-Vatananen
-tanev
-Hamonic
-Brodie
-Dillan
-krug
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
That's what I mean! Those are the publicly available stats, but Maurice says their internal numbers are much closer than that... To me, that indicates that their internal numbers are very wrong, because the public ones seem to line up a lot better with what I'm seeing on the ice than their internal ones.

Does he really expect people to believe that a 4-1 game where they got outshot 29-17 really only had the scoring chances be 4-3? What a joke.

- BINGO!


I am not going to even try to defend the 4-3 number provided by Maurice, however, the public stats are not reliable either for the way they evaluate a high danger scoring chance. 51-14 or whatever it was is equally ridiculous when evaluating that game.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
interesting pending UFA's this summer for blue line help, but i'm also very interested to see what Samberg does. Samberg, Heinola and full year of Niku is absolutely an improvement over Biteto, Sbiza, Kulikov, Beaulieu, Dahlstrom.

-Peitrangelo
-Vatananen
-tanev
-Hamonic
-Brodie
-Dillan
-krug

- Ross77

Not sure how I feel about 2 rookies and an inexperienced Niku on the blueline.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
I am not going to even try to defend the 4-3 number provided by Maurice, however, the public stats are not reliable either for the way they evaluate a high danger scoring chance. 51-14 or whatever it was is equally ridiculous when evaluating that game.
- 2.0



Oh there are errors for sure, HD scoring chances are determined by shot location, which is unreliable at best.

That 51-14 number is for a stretch of games, not that one game specifically.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 24 @ 12:35 PM ET
Not sure how I feel about 2 rookies and an inexperienced Niku on the blueline.
- TheUltimateJet


if they play well as a unit and move the puck, I don't care how old they are or how much experience they have;

morrisey-Niku
Samberg - Pionk
Heinola - Poolman

this looks fine to me, but yes, adding Hamonic at a good 3 year deal and starting one of heinola or Samberg with the moose is absolutely fine as well.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 24 @ 12:37 PM ET
interesting pending UFA's this summer for blue line help, but i'm also very interested to see what Samberg does. Samberg, Heinola and full year of Niku is absolutely an improvement over Biteto, Sbiza, Kulikov, Beaulieu, Dahlstrom.

-Peitrangelo
-Vatananen
-tanev
-Hamonic
-Brodie
-Dillan
-krug

- Ross77


Though not a brilliant group the Jets defense on paper in August was supposed to be: Morrissey, Buff, Pionk, Kulikov, Niku, Poolman, with the others meant to be replacement level depth.

Buff, Niku, Poolman, Kulikov, Beaulieu have all missed significant games and the disruption that goes along with personel changes. I am comfortable arguing that the intended group was a trade deadline acquisition away from being a good defense group.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 24 @ 12:41 PM ET
I am not going to even try to defend the 4-3 number provided by Maurice, however, the public stats are not reliable either for the way they evaluate a high danger scoring chance. 51-14 or whatever it was is equally ridiculous when evaluating that game.
- 2.0


The 54-13 high danger scoring chances in favor of the opposition was actually over a recent 4-game road trip, not a single game.

Didn't keep track of chances but I believe that was the figure given by a sports writer who covered the games. Having watched the games, I believe it. (or something close to it)
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 24 @ 2:03 PM ET
Hot off Ek's rumours, Jet interested in re-uniting Puljijarvi with Laine? Who goes that way, Roslovic?

Apparently Pulji is gaining back confidence in Europe and is turning heads?

Puljujarvi can skate from what I have seen. Laine might not be able to keep up but Puli can really fly from what I can recall.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 24 @ 2:07 PM ET
Hot off Ek's rumours, Jet interested in re-uniting Puljijarvi with Laine? Who goes that way, Roslovic?

Apparently Pulji is gaining back confidence in Europe and is turning heads?

Puljujarvi can skate from what I have seen. Laine might not be able to keep up but Puli can really fly from what I can recall.

- CharlieDog


When are we getting together for beer and wings?
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 24 @ 2:11 PM ET
When are we getting together for beer and wings?
- TheUltimateJet


Not sure, I didn't make it to the last shin dig. Anyone else up for beer and wings some time?
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