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James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 23 @ 5:18 PM ET
James Tanner: If the Coyotes Want to Win, They've Got to Be Creative
FoppaForever
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 11.13.2018

Jan 23 @ 5:57 PM ET
Soderberg is AZ's 2nd leading goal scorer and 6th highest point producer. He has the 2nd highest avg TOI of any forward on PK and 3rd highest avg TOI of any forward on PP. That's right, their 2nd leading goal scorer is also one of their most utilized PK guys. Why on earth would you get rid him?
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jan 23 @ 5:59 PM ET
Hayton and who is the other?
DarthProbert
Joined: 06.29.2016

Jan 23 @ 6:35 PM ET
Soderberg is AZ's 2nd leading goal scorer and 6th highest point producer. He has the 2nd highest avg TOI of any forward on PK and 3rd highest avg TOI of any forward on PP. That's right, their 2nd leading goal scorer is also one of their most utilized PK guys. Why on earth would you get rid him?


For cap space; James was pretty clear on that in the article. Try to pay attention.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 7:40 PM ET
For cap space; James was pretty clear on that in the article. Try to pay attention.


- DarthProbert


Big swing and a miss on your part here.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 7:42 PM ET
This is confusing. Doesn't Arizona have the best defense in the league Tanner? Why would they get rid of two top 4 defenseman on the team? Okay so now they have cap space. Now what? You can't create major holes in the lineup just to add something.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jan 23 @ 9:57 PM ET
This is confusing. Doesn't Arizona have the best defense in the league Tanner? Why would they get rid of two top 4 defenseman on the team? Okay so now they have cap space. Now what? You can't create major holes in the lineup just to add something.
- MJL

But with cap space, they could then fill those newly-created holes!
Avstacular
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 12.06.2019

Jan 23 @ 11:59 PM ET
CAP SPACE!!
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 24 @ 1:18 AM ET
Soderberg is AZ's 2nd leading goal scorer and 6th highest point producer. He has the 2nd highest avg TOI of any forward on PK and 3rd highest avg TOI of any forward on PP. That's right, their 2nd leading goal scorer is also one of their most utilized PK guys. Why on earth would you get rid him?
- FoppaForever


Soderberg has a horrible 45% corsi (5th worst on the team) and has an expected goals rating of 45%.

He only has 16 5v5 points. He is 10th on the Coyotes in P/60 with an anemic 1.45 p/60.

Basically, he's terrible and everything he contributes would be automatically provided by whoever his replacement is.


If the Coyotes are serious about upgrading for the playoffs, replacing the replacement player known as Carl Soderberg would be an excellent place to start.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 24 @ 5:38 AM ET
Soderberg has a horrible 45% corsi (5th worst on the team) and has an expected goals rating of 45%.

He only has 16 5v5 points. He is 10th on the Coyotes in P/60 with an anemic 1.45 p/60.

Basically, he's terrible and everything he contributes would be automatically provided by whoever his replacement is.


If the Coyotes are serious about upgrading for the playoffs, replacing the replacement player known as Carl Soderberg would be an excellent place to start.

- James_Tanner


If NHL team's actually pay attention to this garbage, why would they want to trade for him then?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 8:11 AM ET
But with cap space, they could then fill those newly-created holes!
- Atomic Wedgie



Oh absolutely! It makes sense for the team with the best defense in the NHL to trade some of those players to bring in new players!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 8:12 AM ET
Soderberg has a horrible 45% corsi (5th worst on the team) and has an expected goals rating of 45%.

He only has 16 5v5 points. He is 10th on the Coyotes in P/60 with an anemic 1.45 p/60.

Basically, he's terrible and everything he contributes would be automatically provided by whoever his replacement is.


If the Coyotes are serious about upgrading for the playoffs, replacing the replacement player known as Carl Soderberg would be an excellent place to start.

- James_Tanner



Tanner, what is Soderberg's usage and deployment on a regular basis?
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 24 @ 8:30 AM ET
Hayton and who is the other?



soderstrom
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 24 @ 9:18 AM ET
Tanner, what is Soderberg's usage and deployment on a regular basis?
- MJL


It doesn't matter. He isn't good, he plays too much. There are dozens of NHL forwards playing tougher minutes in more defensive situations that Soderberg who put up better numbers for less money.

people like you always make the mistake of writing off bad number due to tough deployment, but if you're a manager building a team you need to find a player who can be successful in those minutes.

I am sure he could put some better numbers up in a sheltered situation, but you don't need to pay someone 4.5 to do that. A clearly identified need for the Coyotes is someone who can play the minutes Soderberg and Crouse are getting and be more successful.

Any player regularly posting 45% across the board needs to be replace, that is just common sense.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 24 @ 9:19 AM ET
Oh absolutely! It makes sense for the team with the best defense in the NHL to trade some of those players to bring in new players!
- MJL


The Coyotes do not have the best defense in the NHL. Like the Islanders and Columbus they've gotten such good goaltending that people mistakenly think they are defensive juggernauts.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 24 @ 9:22 AM ET
It doesn't matter. He isn't good, he plays too much. There are dozens of NHL forwards playing tougher minutes in more defensive situations that Soderberg who put up better numbers for less money.

people like you always make the mistake of writing off bad number due to tough deployment, but if you're a manager building a team you need to find a player who can be successful in those minutes.

I am sure he could put some better numbers up in a sheltered situation, but you don't need to pay someone 4.5 to do that. A clearly identified need for the Coyotes is someone who can play the minutes Soderberg and Crouse are getting and be more successful.

Any player regularly posting 45% across the board needs to be replace, that is just common sense.

- James_Tanner


Honest question:

If it's common sense that he needs to be replaced, how in the world would Arizona be able to trade him and his cap hit without having to include incentives or take a worse player/contract back?
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 24 @ 9:33 AM ET
The Coyotes do not have the best defense in the NHL. Like the Islanders and Columbus they've gotten such good goaltending that people mistakenly think they are defensive juggernauts.
- James_Tanner


definitely not the best, but they're right up there.....that D is solid

OEL, Hjalmarsson (injured, but good when healthy), demers, chychurin, goligoski.......that's a pretty solid group
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 24 @ 9:42 AM ET
definitely not the best, but they're right up there.....that D is solid

OEL, Hjalmarsson (injured, but good when healthy), demers, chychurin, goligoski.......that's a pretty solid group

- sensarmy_11


According to Jimmy T, Demers and Gogo could be replaced without anyone noticing, so I don't think you can count them.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 24 @ 9:51 AM ET
According to Jimmy T, Demers and Gogo could be replaced without anyone noticing, so I don't think you can count them.
- jmatchett383


obviously.....top 4 d-men are super easy to replace, and the impact of their loss is never felt.

I mean the leafs haven't missed a beat without Muzzin....
camfor
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Complete mis-use of stats, Is now called the Jimmy "T" special.
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:07 AM ET
Honest question:

If it's common sense that he needs to be replaced, how in the world would Arizona be able to trade him and his cap hit without having to include incentives or take a worse player/contract back?

- jmatchett383

They won't be able to trade him for anything other then another player of equal value. Tanner was going off about how Chalka was the best GM in the business while he was winning all his trades. How he was winning those trades was simply by selling cap space....Which he no longer has. Now we will see if Chalka is a good GM or not.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:56 AM ET
It doesn't matter. He isn't good, he plays too much. There are dozens of NHL forwards playing tougher minutes in more defensive situations that Soderberg who put up better numbers for less money.

people like you always make the mistake of writing off bad number due to tough deployment, but if you're a manager building a team you need to find a player who can be successful in those minutes.

I am sure he could put some better numbers up in a sheltered situation, but you don't need to pay someone 4.5 to do that. A clearly identified need for the Coyotes is someone who can play the minutes Soderberg and Crouse are getting and be more successful.

Any player regularly posting 45% across the board needs to be replace, that is just common sense.

- James_Tanner


Just confirms what is already known about your flawed use of analytics.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
The Coyotes do not have the best defense in the NHL. Like the Islanders and Columbus they've gotten such good goaltending that people mistakenly think they are defensive juggernauts.
- James_Tanner



You have stated umpteen times that the Coyotes have the best defense in the NHL. Are you denying that you have made that statement?
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jan 24 @ 11:36 AM ET
Just confirms what is already known about your flawed use of analytics.
- MJL


Exactly the reply I was about to type and then thought, "What's the point?"
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jan 24 @ 12:14 PM ET
Honest question:

If it's common sense that he needs to be replaced, how in the world would Arizona be able to trade him and his cap hit without having to include incentives or take a worse player/contract back?

- jmatchett383


The trade deadline is less than a month away, and there are teams that have cap space and aren't contenders. If you had to pay a small price to clear cap space to add a better player that's no big deal.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 12:29 PM ET
The trade deadline is less than a month away, and there are teams that have cap space and aren't contenders. If you had to pay a small price to clear cap space to add a better player that's no big deal.
- James_Tanner


So other teams with cap space that aren't contenders are going to take a player they may not really want and help the Coyotes for a small price? If a player is not a player you want on the Coyotes why would a team that is not a contender want him? Chances are they'll want more than just a small price to help the Coyotes out.
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