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Todd Cordell
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 02.10.2014

Jan 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
Todd Cordell: The Calgary Flames should be selective buyers at the trade deadline
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Jan 22 @ 11:34 AM ET
They actually need to be buyers & sellers.
OilHead1989
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Oil Country, NT
Joined: 07.10.2010

Jan 22 @ 12:05 PM ET
#turtlegate
#turtlechuk
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jan 22 @ 12:07 PM ET
So this is just an extension on the last blog.

Wouldnt it have been easier to say this then than wait 2 days to do so? Oh wait, clicks for coins. NVM.
RedC21
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jan 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
I would be fine with toffoli at that price as a rental. He’ll be 28 in April and we will need the extra dollars before an extension for him will be up.

Also not saying we should overpay for anyone but standing pat would be a mistake. We have done that our last 3 runs to the playoffs and got destroyed in the first round in 2 of them. The third time we beat a declining Vancouver team in the first round and Sam Bennett/Michael ferland were additions that put us over the top at playoff time.
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Jan 22 @ 1:57 PM ET
I would be fine with toffoli at that price as a rental. He’ll be 28 in April and we will need the extra dollars before an extension for him will be up.

Also not saying we should overpay for anyone but standing pat would be a mistake. We have done that our last 3 runs to the playoffs and got destroyed in the first round in 2 of them. The third time we beat a declining Vancouver team in the first round and Sam Bennett/Michael ferland were additions that put us over the top at playoff time.

- RedC21

Doesnt sound like Tre is too fond of a rental. Toffoli would be ok but the price tag will be cranked up because we're in their division.

Here is my preference:
Trade Hamonic & Janko to Leafs for Kappy that way Leafs feel they are getting more than a rental. or Hamonic for Johnsson & a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I would move Andersson up with Hanifin & I think that pairing would be as effective as we have been seeing Hanifin & Hamonic & then I have been happy with Kyllington's progress on that bottom pairing & either Stone moves in
or we use one of our extra 3rd's (from Neal trade) or 4th's from Frolic trade to acquire a bottom pairing D of which there are a number of good possibilities for that & keep Stone as the #7 in case of emergency.

A more aggressive deal could be sending Brodie & Janko over to Carolina for Neiderreiter who has been struggling a bit with the Canes & Brodie would be a good bandaid for losing Dougie. Im sure Mr Bingo will weigh in his warped view of a deal like that however.
Cruzn’Oost
Calgary Flames
Joined: 10.03.2019

Jan 22 @ 2:18 PM ET
I’d love to see Tre make something happen with Palmieri (or if not maybe even Gallagher/Tatar if it’s possible and the Habs aren’t gonna make the playoffs...) for one of our a current players, a pic/prospect...
And then trade Brodie (or Hamonic) along with Janks for Kappanon...
And obviously we’ll have to add a dman to replace Hamonic...and I’m sure Tre is already thinking to add another depth dman that wouldn’t cost much if Valimaki is still hurt...
I don’t know, something along those lines is my thoughts as the 2 additions of Palmieri and Kappanon (or Gallagher/Tatar and kapanon) truly give us some really solid all around lines combinations that’s would give the Flames a chance to make some serious noise in the playoffs and have a monster run...
I don’t know about anyone else but I’d actually be pretty damn confident with that as our team...
🔥GFG🔥
FlamesFan1230
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2006

Jan 22 @ 6:26 PM ET
I’d love to see Tre make something happen with Palmieri (or if not maybe even Gallagher/Tatar if it’s possible and the Habs aren’t gonna make the playoffs...) for one of our a current players, a pic/prospect...
And then trade Brodie (or Hamonic) along with Janks for Kappanon...
And obviously we’ll have to add a dman to replace Hamonic...and I’m sure Tre is already thinking to add another depth dman that wouldn’t cost much if Valimaki is still hurt...
I don’t know, something along those lines is my thoughts as the 2 additions of Palmieri and Kappanon (or Gallagher/Tatar and kapanon) truly give us some really solid all around lines combinations that’s would give the Flames a chance to make some serious noise in the playoffs and have a monster run...
I don’t know about anyone else but I’d actually be pretty damn confident with that as our team...
🔥GFG🔥

- Cruzn’Oost


Palmieri is going to cost a first rounder and probably a mid level prospect atleast. I don't think trading Brodie or Hamonic is worth unless you get Kapanen or Zucker. It would've been interesting to see how last year if that trade went through how Zucker would've contributed in the first round. Remember the Flames were less then 2 minutes away from taking a 2-0 series lead. I think if they won game 2 the playoffs would've been a different story.
KingsFan67
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Orange County, CA
Joined: 03.31.2011

Jan 22 @ 7:00 PM ET
Doesnt sound like Tre is too fond of a rental. Toffoli would be ok but the price tag will be cranked up because we're in their division.

Here is my preference:
Trade Hamonic & Janko to Leafs for Kappy that way Leafs feel they are getting more than a rental. or Hamonic for Johnsson & a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I would move Andersson up with Hanifin & I think that pairing would be as effective as we have been seeing Hanifin & Hamonic & then I have been happy with Kyllington's progress on that bottom pairing & either Stone moves in
or we use one of our extra 3rd's (from Neal trade) or 4th's from Frolic trade to acquire a bottom pairing D of which there are a number of good possibilities for that & keep Stone as the #7 in case of emergency.

A more aggressive deal could be sending Brodie & Janko over to Carolina for Neiderreiter who has been struggling a bit with the Canes & Brodie would be a good bandaid for losing Dougie. Im sure Mr Bingo will weigh in his warped view of a deal like that however.

- Kevin R


I don't think the Kings are going to crank up the asking price because Calgary are in the same division. They know they aren't going to be competitive for another 2-3 years. I think they will just look for the best deal without regard to where that person is going. Toff will be a good player on any team he plays on. He is defensively responsible and has an amazing release on his shot.
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 22 @ 8:58 PM ET
I don't think the Kings are going to crank up the asking price because Calgary are in the same division. They know they aren't going to be competitive for another 2-3 years. I think they will just look for the best deal without regard to where that person is going. Toff will be a good player on any team he plays on. He is defensively responsible and has an amazing release on his shot.
- KingsFan67


100% agree and if they are asking for a 2nd round pick ours will be more valuable than most contenders given our place in the standings.
Hardbalz
Joined: 06.08.2011

Jan 22 @ 11:28 PM ET
I like Calgary over St Louis in a seven gamer
bsimms
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 10.25.2013

Jan 23 @ 1:33 PM ET
Really Hardbalz? I am a diehard Flames fan and I just don't see it without a dramatic reversal in play from most of our stars.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:44 PM ET
Really Hardbalz? I am a diehard Flames fan and I just don't see it without a dramatic reversal in play from most of our stars.
- bsimms


Yeah man, I hope this guy does not gamble.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Jan 23 @ 3:08 PM ET
Flames fail to make the playoffs, id fire Treliving. At this point it's a possibility that anything can happen.
This team has something definitely wrong in the dressing room since Allstar break last year. Tre has failed to address it and is running out of chances.

There is way too much talent on the team to be where they are in the standings. If not for the goaltending we'd be in even worse shape.

Bottom 6 needs a boost bring up Czarnik please. As much as I like Bennett I think a change might be best for everyone. Adding another top 6 forward would push Backlund down to 3c and that would also help the bottom 6.
Looch better step up in the BOA or his roster spot should be in jeporady. He's playing a very uneventful game.
Enough of my rant, let's hear how everyone else feels.
FlamesFan1230
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2006

Jan 23 @ 3:29 PM ET
Flames fail to make the playoffs, id fire Treliving. At this point it's a possibility that anything can happen.
This team has something definitely wrong in the dressing room since Allstar break last year. Tre has failed to address it and is running out of chances.

There is way too much talent on the team to be where they are in the standings. If not for the goaltending we'd be in even worse shape.

Bottom 6 needs a boost bring up Czarnik please. As much as I like Bennett I think a change might be best for everyone. Adding another top 6 forward would push Backlund down to 3c and that would also help the bottom 6.
Looch better step up in the BOA or his roster spot should be in jeporady. He's playing a very uneventful game.
Enough of my rant, let's hear how everyone else feels.

- K-man25


Last year the Flames became complacent after the all star game because essentially they had nothing to play for. The Flames definitely need another top 6 forward and I think Bennett needs to go even if its pennies for the dollar. He hasn't done anything, we have all hoped that maybe he would figure things out but he's a bust. Go figure the Flames highest draft pick in history is a big ZERO.
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 23 @ 3:48 PM ET
Flames fail to make the playoffs, id fire Treliving. At this point it's a possibility that anything can happen.
This team has something definitely wrong in the dressing room since Allstar break last year. Tre has failed to address it and is running out of chances.

There is way too much talent on the team to be where they are in the standings. If not for the goaltending we'd be in even worse shape.

Bottom 6 needs a boost bring up Czarnik please. As much as I like Bennett I think a change might be best for everyone. Adding another top 6 forward would push Backlund down to 3c and that would also help the bottom 6.
Looch better step up in the BOA or his roster spot should be in jeporady. He's playing a very uneventful game.
Enough of my rant, let's hear how everyone else feels.

- K-man25


Tree signed a multi year extension in October so I doubt he will be the one leaving town if we miss or take another deuce in the first round.
For the right price I would move anyone but Chucky and Lindy would be at a heavy price.
Bennett has disappointed but he will bring back more than pennies on the $. Not a 4th overall pick but he is a proven playoff performer and lots of teams would have interest in him.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jan 23 @ 6:10 PM ET
Tree signed a multi year extension in October so I doubt he will be the one leaving town if we miss or take another deuce in the first round.
For the right price I would move anyone but Chucky and Lindy would be at a heavy price.
Bennett has disappointed but he will bring back more than pennies on the $. Not a 4th overall pick but he is a proven playoff performer and lots of teams would have interest in him.

- DEDDIE


He's still not a proven playoff guy - he's had a couple of decent rounds...

Should have traded Bennett 2 years ago frankly. The guy shows up after being benched for a game and has since totally disappeared again. 6 points in 34 games is flat out embarrassing for a guy that has/had as much skill as he did when he was drafted. He's essentially Garnet Hathaway now, but costs 70% more.

I'll give him this, he shows more grit than Janko, but that ain't worth $2.5M per.



Ol_Boy_Wop
Calgary Flames
Joined: 08.24.2011

Jan 23 @ 8:22 PM ET
Flames fail to make the playoffs, id fire Treliving. At this point it's a possibility that anything can happen.
This team has something definitely wrong in the dressing room since Allstar break last year. Tre has failed to address it and is running out of chances.

There is way too much talent on the team to be where they are in the standings. If not for the goaltending we'd be in even worse shape.

Bottom 6 needs a boost bring up Czarnik please. As much as I like Bennett I think a change might be best for everyone. Adding another top 6 forward would push Backlund down to 3c and that would also help the bottom 6.
Looch better step up in the BOA or his roster spot should be in jeporady. He's playing a very uneventful game.
Enough of my rant, let's hear how everyone else feels.

- K-man25

I don't think anything's wrong with the dressing room, I just think that this team over performed last season and everything went right for them the first half. There are a lot of third/fourth liners on this team and four guys that can run the show at forward. They aren't getting support this season from the depth guys like they were last season so we're seeing a dip in their production. All teams have to do is shut down lines 1 and 2 and they've shut down the offense. They aren't getting any consistent contribution offensively from the blueline and they're leaky to boot.

Basically, everything that went right the first half of last season is coming back around and we'll see it fall somewhere in the middle of performance from then and the recent performance. I think this team is good enough (they won the (frank)ing WC last season, they should be) to get into the playoffs but I'm not sure they'll make any noise once they're playing.

I partly agree with Boomer from this morning, I think they need to pursue a quality defensive defenseman to compliment the guys they have on the blueline now. I'm not sure who's available or the cost but I think that's where their money should go. They've been terrible defensively and don't look to be getting any better. God forbid someone go down with an injury and they have to bring in Stone and Davidson.
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 23 @ 9:37 PM ET
He's still not a proven playoff guy - he's had a couple of decent rounds...

Should have traded Bennett 2 years ago frankly. The guy shows up after being benched for a game and has since totally disappeared again. 6 points in 34 games is flat out embarrassing for a guy that has/had as much skill as he did when he was drafted. He's essentially Garnet Hathaway now, but costs 70% more.

I'll give him this, he shows more grit than Janko, but that ain't worth $2.5M per.


- rmull905


All fair points but he still brings back more than pennies on the $ if we move him.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Jan 24 @ 9:29 AM ET
All fair points but he still brings back more than pennies on the $ if we move him.
- DEDDIE


The guy gets his fair share of chances, just can´t find any finish.
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Jan 24 @ 12:00 PM ET
The guy gets his fair share of chances, just can´t find any finish.
- DuranDuran

Why does everyone want to jettison him out for pennies??? He is a very good 3rd liner, hits like a mack truck which we arent exactly in abundance on our team & he gets paid what a decent 3rd liner will get paid in this league. Bennett isnt the reason why Gaudreau & Monahan are going to have the lowest point totals of their careers.
If we get a great offer for him yes trade him as he isnt untouchable but I dont understand some of the mindset on here.
FlamesFan1230
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2006

Jan 24 @ 1:28 PM ET
Why does everyone want to jettison him out for pennies??? He is a very good 3rd liner, hits like a mack truck which we arent exactly in abundance on our team & he gets paid what a decent 3rd liner will get paid in this league. Bennett isnt the reason why Gaudreau & Monahan are going to have the lowest point totals of their careers.
If we get a great offer for him yes trade him as he isnt untouchable but I dont understand some of the mindset on here.

- Kevin R


It all comes down to the high expectations that he had. He was supposed to be a Doug Gilmour like player. A change of scenery would be good for him I think. You have to wonder if the Flames could do a draft do over and take Nylander with that pick instead.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jan 24 @ 2:17 PM ET
Why does everyone want to jettison him out for pennies??? He is a very good 3rd liner, hits like a mack truck which we arent exactly in abundance on our team & he gets paid what a decent 3rd liner will get paid in this league. Bennett isnt the reason why Gaudreau & Monahan are going to have the lowest point totals of their careers.
If we get a great offer for him yes trade him as he isnt untouchable but I dont understand some of the mindset on here.

- Kevin R


For me, I expect more out of a third liner than the occasional hit and the 6 points he's picked up this year. We have a secondary scoring problem, and it's exacerbated by Benny's lack of finish.

Frankly, I love having him out there when he's effective, but he's not hitting as often unless it's coming after a benching (he's third on the team and somewhere in the 150's in the league for hits and hits/game), he's not scoring, and he still takes too many bad penalties.

He's not an ideal third liner. He's an ok 4th liner right now. Barely. A fresh start would probably benefit the kid, but right now, he's absolutely a player you would let walk for nothing in free agency because he's fully replaceable whether as a physical player or as a secondary scorer.

He's also RAPIDLY regressing from what were pretty low standards for scoring anyways. He's on par to end the year with 10-12 points. That's less than half of what he scored in a pretty dismal year last year too.

No, he's not affecting Johnny/Mony's scoring, but he damn sure isn't helping to make up the difference either.

#BennettForHoffman2018 #iwasright
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Jan 24 @ 2:25 PM ET
It all comes down to the high expectations that he had. He was supposed to be a Doug Gilmour like player. A change of scenery would be good for him I think. You have to wonder if the Flames could do a draft do over and take Nylander with that pick instead.
- FlamesFan1230

Yup & now that I dont have such high expectations for him, I am quite comfortable what he brings to the team. & yeah if I was able to go back in time & do over knowing what we know now, I would say Pastrnak, Larkin, Ehlers are all guys I would have taken before him now. Oh well
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Jan 24 @ 2:50 PM ET
Yup & now that I dont have such high expectations for him, I am quite comfortable what he brings to the team. & yeah if I was able to go back in time & do over knowing what we know now, I would say Pastrnak, Larkin, Ehlers are all guys I would have taken before him now. Oh well
- Kevin R

Every team screws up drafting and would love do overs, just look who was taken ahead of Chucky.
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