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-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 12:16 PM ET
Unfortunately if 4K continues to play well this year and next year and establishes himself as a decent defenseman, he may be lost in the expansion draft in the summer of 21.
- boilermaker100


Theoretically the Hawks have other quality dmen coming through their system that could be NHL ready within the next year or two. They should have some options by the time the expansion draft rolls around. Also we see how in demand Dmen are at this TDL. If we have an extra one at the next TDL it could bring a nice return.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 23 @ 12:25 PM ET
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- scottak


In other words the top 5 are in a horse race. It should be interesting to see what each of them do at the TDL. My guess is that someone will significantly overpay.

The question I have is will 2, 1 or none of these be wild card teams. Right now I would pick Nashville as a wild card team. The other wild card spot is wide open, including the Jets, Hawks and everyone in the Pacific.
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 23 @ 12:38 PM ET
Hawks signed Matt Tomkins to a two year deal $700,000 AAV. So he's officially on the books for the team. Smart move IMO to add depth to the team. IMO he'll be splitting time with one of Delia or Lankinen in Rockford next season.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 23 @ 12:43 PM ET
Cap savings by trade or buyouts before trading Saad:

Dinky
deHaan
Maata
Shaw
Smith

The Blackhawks have options. That's over $20m in next year's dollars.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jan 23 @ 12:43 PM ET
Hawks signed Matt Tomkins to a two year deal $700,000 AAV. So he's officially on the books for the team. Smart move IMO to add depth to the team. IMO he'll be splitting time with one of Delia or Lankinen in Rockford next season.
- Savetheembers33

I’d say 2 of our 4 goalies are about to move via trade or FA. Trade Crow and Delia if possible at the TDL.
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
I’d say 2 of our 4 goalies are about to move via trade or FA. Trade Crow and Delia if possible at the TDL.
- Assman22

Crow can't be happy he watched the "Q" game. Perhaps he's more open to a move to more than 10 teams?
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 23 @ 12:55 PM ET
Cap savings by trade or buyouts before trading Saad:

Dinky
deHaan
Maata
Shaw
Smith

The Blackhawks have options. That's over $20m in next year's dollars.

- rpeters01


Your list is upside down.

I’d say 2 of our 4 goalies are about to move via trade or FA. Trade Crow and Delia if possible at the TDL.
- Assman22


Ehh..I don't see that happening. Stan isn't gonna move either guy with them within arms reach of the Playoffs. Delia makes no sense to trade. He's cheap and would help them meet their requirements for the expansion draft as well. He's staying put.

Crow can't be happy he watched the "Q" game. Perhaps he's more open to a move to more than 10 teams?
- rpeters01


Probably not, but I still don't see him asking for a trade. I'm sure he WANTS to be a Blackhawk and be with this team going forward. However, wanting to be somewhere and being happy there AND getting what you're looking for are separate things. If he's going to leave Chicago it'll be in FA so the team can say that he made the choice to leave not that they traded a core member to upset the fan base. Controlling the narrative.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jan 23 @ 12:57 PM ET
I’d say 2 of our 4 goalies are about to move via trade or FA. Trade Crow and Delia if possible at the TDL.
- Assman22

I don't think ya trade either goalie unless your totally out of it at the deadline . You can't do nothing without a solid back-up . And on that note with 2 solid goalies I don't think you waste anytime in pulling one when they are struggling ,like Lehner did last game .Would had Crow in after the 2nd goal .
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 23 @ 1:04 PM ET
I understand that he wasn't having much of an impact on the team to start the year, but I really don't understand why people have such a problem with bringing him back. He was coming off his best year putting up 47 points in 63 games playing on the top line with Drouin and Domi most of the time. This team severally lacked grit on it. Remember when, I think it was Salomaki, on Nashville took a run at Keith and the ONLY guy who jumped in right away was Alex DeBrincat. All 5'7 of him was going all out to defend his teammate. That's not good when one of your best skill players is having to step in like that.

The Hawks desperately needed someone with grit to come in on this team. And before someone makes a snarky comment, I'm not saying you need an enforcer old school hockey style, but every team needs a SKILLED player who is not afraid to stand up for his teammates and make the other team think twice before taking a run at one of your guys.

On top of that, several of the guys stated how having Shaw back around helped with the locker room because he's always joking and making guys laugh which helps during a long season where guys get frustrated (see Keith and Toews fight from two days ago).

If your issue is with his contract I understand the frustration with the cap limitiations, but that's the going rate for a middle six forward. If anything that's a a very decent contract for a guy who's been able to put up his production...when healthy. Which brings me to my next point, if your issue is with his injury history, I can understand that because he's always had issues one way or another unfortunately. However, when healthy he's the perfect middle six forward that every team needs to win. Caggiula is currently playing in the role that Shaw could/should be in and that only further adds depth to your roster.

The only issue I have with the deal is that it seems Bowman paid a premium, but didn't get Montreal to take any salary when they were looking to clear some out. It should be one way or another. Either you buy low and take all the money OR buy high and the other team retains some salary. Even coming off a career year, as I stated before, the injury concerns should have still factored into things. That's my only complaint. I don't think Stan is very good about making trades for known commodities. On the flip side, he's VERY good at finding the diamond in the rough players.

- Savetheembers33


Like you said, my biggest issue with the move was that he had a lot of injuries when acquired and it seemed like a "let's get the band back together" move. Shaw right now is good in theory, but he has been a sub 0.5 PPG player for his career outside of last year. It's kind of like that one year where Smith scored 25 goals. That's not what you are going to get out of them every year. With what we had on the roster, I saw him as an extra (and unnecessary) piece.
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 23 @ 1:17 PM ET
Your list is upside down.



Ehh..I don't see that happening. Stan isn't gonna move either guy with them within arms reach of the Playoffs. Delia makes no sense to trade. He's cheap and would help them meet their requirements for the expansion draft as well. He's staying put.



Probably not, but I still don't see him asking for a trade. I'm sure he WANTS to be a Blackhawk and be with this team going forward. However, wanting to be somewhere and being happy there AND getting what you're looking for are separate things. If he's going to leave Chicago it'll be in FA so the team can say that he made the choice to leave not that they traded a core member to upset the fan base. Controlling the narrative.

- Savetheembers33

List is in no particular order other than Saad is not on it.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jan 23 @ 1:24 PM ET
I don't think ya trade either goalie unless your totally out of it at the deadline . You can't do nothing without a solid back-up . And on that note with 2 solid goalies I don't think you waste anytime in pulling one when they are struggling ,like Lehner did last game .Would had Crow in after the 2nd goal .
- oldduffman


Yeah I tend to agree although I probably would have waited until the third goal.
SteveRain
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Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:26 PM ET
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- scottak


Thanks....so it looks like a 10th place finish if I did the math correctly...
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:27 PM ET
You can certainly like the player, but not the contract (see also Toews and Seabrook). The problem is that the going rate for a player of Saad's ilk is around $5-7M per year. I have more of an issue with Shaw being brought back than Saad (at the time the moves were made). You are completely right that Stan has a lot of hard decisions to make in the coming 6 months.
- Chunk


THat's a great point....re Shaw

He could be a LTIR for a long while given his health. Doesn't seem like there is a remote timeline on anything for him.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:29 PM ET
This is the type of conversation I hate having because I see both sides...

Saad has been one of my favorite Hawks players since he was called up in 2012 (he was also actually my first jersey purchase, assuming he'd be here for the long run :eyeroll:facepalm: because of my poor history with getting jerseys and guys being immediately traded) because he plays a very good 200ft game and is exactly the type of guy you need on your roster to win a Cup with. I hate the Panarin trade talk because for the millionth time Panarin was and is the better player, but that was done because there was no way we would be able to keep him for the long term. End of story. I want Saad to be on this team and for it to be successful with him being a key role player for the team.

However, like you said, he's hit his ceiling (more than likely) as far as what type of player he's going to be and that's fine. He's the exact player teams need to win NOW. With how contracts work he's going to get a raise from the 6M he's making now (and people already complain about amount). At that point he'll be entering his age 29 season and will likely want a 5 or 6 year contract for at least 7M per. This would be another one of those deals that the fans will end up b!tc#ing about because we can't afford to keep Dach, Kubalik, Boqvist, etc. Saad could bring back a good return that could bring back a 1st round pick, and two good prospects back.

I'm not advocating for the Hawks to trade Saad away, but they need to seriously consider doing so to help the team long term. Keeping him will only help in the short term and if resigned is gonna end up being a contract that fans hate and blame for why the team can't be successful.

- Savetheembers33


100% agreed with you and that's how I feel as well.

This is going to be a challenging offseason for Stan.

Especially if he tries to deal a Shaw or Seabrook given their health concerns.


SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:31 PM ET
Yea - Bettman really hopes California falls into the ocean.
- powerenforcer



HAHA...well, they have in the standings....
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:35 PM ET
Cap savings by trade or buyouts before trading Saad:

Dinky
deHaan
Maata
Shaw
Smith

The Blackhawks have options. That's over $20m in next year's dollars.

- rpeters01


DeHaan is tricky. Just don't know how stable that shoulder is going to be long term. Hes very steady and a very solid D man IF he's healthy.

Agree on Maata, Shaw, Smith

DeBrincat….nope.

Goals are very important, but they aren't the end all be all.....you take DeBrincat off the team and where are you getting your offense? Kane? Sure....he's consistent.

Toews? Hes far from a lock to produce consistently which could burry them early on with his typical slow starts.

Id dump Strome before I'd dump DeBrincat.

IMO.....Saad is what he is....he has played enough games and you know what you are going to get. I don't see him getting any better or worse.

DeBrincat....have they seen enough to jettison him off the team? I highly doubt it. Hes having an off year....it happens....you know who had a very POOR year within the last 2 years: Brandon Saad.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:53 PM ET
Thanks....so it looks like a 10th place finish if I did the math correctly...
- SteveRain

yes, they have the Hawks at 10th, 2 spots out of WC2.
StLBravesFan
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 23 @ 1:58 PM ET
I don't think ya trade either goalie unless your totally out of it at the deadline . You can't do nothing without a solid back-up . And on that note with 2 solid goalies I don't think you waste anytime in pulling one when they are struggling ,like Lehner did last game .Would had Crow in after the 2nd goal .
- oldduffman

Two bad goals - but if you start pulling the trigger too soon, the goalies start looking over their shoulders to the bench all the time - need to give good quality pros time to sort things out.
rpeters01
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Jan 23 @ 2:00 PM ET
DeHaan is tricky. Just don't know how stable that shoulder is going to be long term. Hes very steady and a very solid D man IF he's healthy.

Agree on Maata, Shaw, Smith

DeBrincat….nope.

Goals are very important, but they aren't the end all be all.....you take DeBrincat off the team and where are you getting your offense? Kane? Sure....he's consistent.

Toews? Hes far from a lock to produce consistently which could burry them early on with his typical slow starts.

Id dump Strome before I'd dump DeBrincat.

IMO.....Saad is what he is....he has played enough games and you know what you are going to get. I don't see him getting any better or worse.

DeBrincat....have they seen enough to jettison him off the team? I highly doubt it. Hes having an off year....it happens....you know who had a very POOR year within the last 2 years: Brandon Saad.

- SteveRain

deHaan is easy like Shaw, we're not losing anything we haven't already lost. Trade nope nobody would take them, buyout. DeBrinkat meh, at the end of the day he's just a guy overall, save the money get a pick. Dach WILL score more, Nylander SHOULD score more, Boquist will score, and the rebuilding will continue.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jan 23 @ 2:01 PM ET
With where they're at, Stan has to do something to add. It'd be a disservice to the 3X ring holders to not do something. How about this?

Trade Gustafsson away for anything you can get.

Trade For Brendon Dillon - SJ
He's a UFA after this season, CAP hit of $3.270 this season. Shouldn't cost too much.
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catrisc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Elmhurst, IL
Joined: 12.12.2019

Jan 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
Hawks now have 3 signed goalies in Rockford. Sooooo who's going; Panda or Crow?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 23 @ 2:29 PM ET
Hawks signed Matt Tomkins to a two year deal $700,000 AAV. So he's officially on the books for the team. Smart move IMO to add depth to the team. IMO he'll be splitting time with one of Delia or Lankinen in Rockford next season.
- Savetheembers33

Good on Tomkins for earning an NHL contract. He is much improved this season and is no longer a distant 3rd anymore on the minor league goalie depth chart.

Agree that a likely scenario next season is that Tomkins splits duties with Delia or Lankinen in Rockford with the other one backing up either Crawford or Lehner in Chicago.

However, Gravel is in his 4th year in juniors and may be poised to go pro to start his development at that stage. If so, where does he land? Starter in Indy? Do the Hogs continue to go with a 3-goalie rotation?

One of Delia, Lankinen, Tomkins, or even Gravel could get traded, too, for draft pick(s) or an F/D prospect. Or traded as part of a larger deal.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jan 23 @ 2:35 PM ET
DeHaan is tricky. Just don't know how stable that shoulder is going to be long term. Hes very steady and a very solid D man IF he's healthy.

Agree on Maata, Shaw, Smith

DeBrincat….nope.

Goals are very important, but they aren't the end all be all.....you take DeBrincat off the team and where are you getting your offense? Kane? Sure....he's consistent.

Toews? Hes far from a lock to produce consistently which could burry them early on with his typical slow starts.

Id dump Strome before I'd dump DeBrincat.

IMO.....Saad is what he is....he has played enough games and you know what you are going to get. I don't see him getting any better or worse.

DeBrincat....have they seen enough to jettison him off the team? I highly doubt it. Hes having an off year....it happens....you know who had a very POOR year within the last 2 years: Brandon Saad.

- SteveRain


I doubt DeBrincat is going anywhere. His "off year" is really not that "off". His goals are down, his assists are up. He is only very slightly below his career PPG avg. His shots are up, his shooting percentage is down. Yeah he has missed some chances that he has buried in the past, could be because of a number of things.

ADB is a typical overreaction by those on this board. Remember when Hossa was done and couldn't shoot or score anymore.....until he could. Remember when Toews was no better than a 3C.....until he was.

Time to just relax with ADB. He didn't forget how to play or shoot.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 23 @ 2:35 PM ET
Two bad goals - but if you start pulling the trigger too soon, the goalies start looking over their shoulders to the bench all the time - need to give good quality pros time to sort things out.
- StLBravesFan


Agreed, generally a goalie is only pulled to wake up the team, because the team is leaving the goalie out to dry. That wasn't the case here. Hawks had their chances to tie it up. This isn't baseball where you have a relief pitcher come in because the starter doesn't have it that day, or has thrown too many pitches.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 23 @ 2:37 PM ET
With where they're at, Stan has to do something to add. It'd be a disservice to the 3X ring holders to not do something. How about this?

Trade Gustafsson away for anything you can get.

Trade For Brendon Dillon - SJ
He's a UFA after this season, CAP hit of $3.270 this season. Shouldn't cost too much.
CF 51.33
xGf 49.87
SCF 51.14
HDCF 45.49
OffZSt 51.96

- scottak


Is Brandon Dillon better than who they have playing now?
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