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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 1:59 PM ET
Toews earning his paycheck? Ha. Even if you give him credit for showing up the last few games, where was he for the first 40?

In 47 games this season he has SEVEN even strength goals. SEVEN. And only ONE power play goal in 151 minutes of PP time. ONE.

The guy is a contact avoiding cherry picker who only gets on the scoreboard when he has more ice to work with and less opponents skating against him.

- Return of the Roar


Well, he sure as heck is not going anywhere, so let's enjoy the recent surge. In fairness, his first 11 games were the bad ones for the production. He is at a point per game over the last 36.

Let's also not discount those attributes not on the scoresheet. I'm not saying he is worth 10.5, but he's not trash.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 15 @ 2:02 PM ET
Here is a question and different look at the this coach is better than that coach. Outside of Nylander (that has been benched twice by JC this year), I think the Hawks young players have definitely not disappointed and in fact exceeded expectations. Do you think his handling of the young players and development by and under JC (often critisized on this board) of Kubalik, Dach, Bovquist, Strome, (even ADB), Kampf, Highmore,Gilbert would of happened under Q? I bet Q would love some Zach Smith (although if Q was here I doubt AA would of been traded), and probably would at some point this year played him with Toews and Kane.

Also, sure did not see anything from AA that made me wish we still had him. 0 for 6 on face offs (primarily against Smith), some things never change.

- LAHawk


Likewise with Duclair. Some team will overpay and make him a classic example of a player having a career year in his contract year and then disappearing. I was really expecting him to show us something not only based on his current stats but to show up a team who gave up on him.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:02 PM ET
Toews earning his paycheck? Ha. Even if you give him credit for showing up the last few games, where was he for the first 40?

In 47 games this season he has SEVEN even strength goals. SEVEN. And only ONE power play goal in 151 minutes of PP time. ONE.

The guy is a contact avoiding cherry picker who only gets on the scoreboard when he has more ice to work with and less opponents skating against him.

- Return of the Roar


Guy is playing good, so lets bash him for when he wasn't playing good. Wished we praised him when he wasn't playing good for all the times he did play good.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 15 @ 2:06 PM ET
Agreed, but he'd also been with the team for almost a decade. After hearing the same message over and over and over and over again wears thin no matter how much you respect someone. Sometimes it's just time to move on whether we wanted it or not or agreed with it or not
- Savetheembers33


The point about Q is that the pedigree of the coach didn't matter - Q or JC. It's the players.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 15 @ 2:10 PM ET
Toews earning his paycheck? Ha. Even if you give him credit for showing up the last few games, where was he for the first 40?

In 47 games this season he has SEVEN even strength goals. SEVEN. And only ONE power play goal in 151 minutes of PP time. ONE.

The guy is a contact avoiding cherry picker who only gets on the scoreboard when he has more ice to work with and less opponents skating against him.

- Return of the Roar

He had a bad first 11 games - point wise - only 1+1=2.

But - in the succeeding 36 games - he is 11+25=36 - on pace for (a full season) 25+57=82. Back to a point-per-game player, after 81 points last season.

Yeah, goals are down this season, and 3 of the goals have been OT winners 3x3 - but he scored them and got the Hawks a point.

Not sure all that's worth $10.5 - but it says still an excellent top-line center in the league.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 15 @ 2:15 PM ET
I'm not being an arse here, but who would you replace them with and how/why would the team improve?
- Chunk


Imo bringing in a new General Manager with a fresh set of eyes , I believe would be great for the organization as a whole , as to whom that I can't answer. As far as a new head coach well gallant just became available and quite frankly having a experienced coach behind the bench helps with matchups, line combinations, schemes and getting more consistency out of this team.

Touching the GM point again IMO my impression of the front office is they still believe this team can compete , maybe that's true with a more experienced head coach, but some of the players Nylander, Gus, as examples are liabilities .
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 15 @ 2:16 PM ET
Well, he sure as heck is not going anywhere, so let's enjoy the recent surge. In fairness, his first 11 games were the bad ones for the production. He is at a point per game over the last 36.

Let's also not discount those attributes not on the scoresheet. I'm not saying he is worth 10.5, but he's not trash.

- Chunk


The 36 games is a small sample size. The 1st 11 games is much more indicative of what kind of player he is.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jan 15 @ 2:16 PM ET
It's "sad" that he gets pissed when things don't go his way? I'm glad he cares.
- mohel


No, it's not sad - it's natural and human. It's sad only in that I have sympathy for him - this cannot be easy.

And, I don't sense the negative reactions and emotions are about things not "going his way" (implies an "it's all about me" attitude, which he's never been accused of), but it's the performance of his line, specifically, and the team overall that has resulted in his pissiness overall.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:18 PM ET
I don't get this one. That division is all stacked up. Cap and contracts caught up with this team as everyone knew it would...

maybe there is a rest of the story here...

7th coach let go this season...go figure...

- bogiedoc

1st - Very impatient owner who is paying some big salaries.

2nd - Team fallling behind early in many games in the last couple of weeks.

3rd - 3 consecutive home losses to Pittsburgh, LAK and Columbus and last night in Buffalo.

Thats all it takes.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 15 @ 2:19 PM ET
Imo bringing in a new General Manager with a fresh set of eyes , I believe would be great for the organization as a whole , as to whom that I can't answer. As far as a new head coach well gallant just became available and quite frankly having a experienced coach behind the bench helps with matchups, line combinations, schemes and getting more consistency out of this team.

Touching the GM point again IMO my impression of the front office is they still believe this team can compete , maybe that's true with a more experienced head coach, but some of the players Nylander, Gus, as examples are liabilities .

- Taylorst1


Wasn't Q an experienced coach? How'd they play for him his last season plus?
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 15 @ 2:20 PM ET
Toews earning his paycheck? Ha. Even if you give him credit for showing up the last few games, where was he for the first 40?

In 47 games this season he has SEVEN even strength goals. SEVEN. And only ONE power play goal in 151 minutes of PP time. ONE.

The guy is a contact avoiding cherry picker who only gets on the scoreboard when he has more ice to work with and less opponents skating against him.

- Return of the Roar


I strongly disagree with the "contact avoiding cherry picker description." He has been working really hard along the boards most of the year and does not avoid contact.

If he so successful getting on the scoreboard "when there is less ice to work with" why does he only have 1 pp goals?

yeah goal scoring has been a problem for him this year but he has been very good at setting up others getting some assists.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 15 @ 2:23 PM ET
No, it's not sad - it's natural and human. It's sad only in that I have sympathy for him - this cannot be easy.

And, I don't sense the negative reactions and emotions are about things not "going his way" (implies an "it's all about me" attitude, which he's never been accused of), but it's the performance of his line, specifically, and the team overall that has resulted in his pissiness overall.

- pdx2ord


Yep, and that's a good thing. How do we "sense" what is behind his reactions?

Kane signed up for the downturn. I don't understand the pity party on his behalf.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 2:25 PM ET
The 36 games is a small sample size. The 1st 11 games is much more indicative of what kind of player he is.
- mohel


You stop yourself with you newfangled logic!
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 15 @ 2:25 PM ET
1st - Very impatient owner who is paying some big salaries.

2nd - Team fallling behind early in many games in the last couple of weeks.

3rd - 3 consecutive home losses to Pittsburgh, LAK and Columbus and last night in Buffalo.

Thats all it takes.

- RickJ


those are fair points...yeah the owner gave big money contracts: 8 forwards over 4 mil per with the only with a year remaining; 3 years lef of MAF at 7 mil per...and another stupid contract for mark stone: 7 years left at 9.5 mil...

i guess that's a coaches fault...
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
Wasn't Q an experienced coach? How'd they play for him his last season plus?
- mohel


I get where you are trying to go with your statement , but let's all be honest here. Stan dealt coach Q a dog poop hand with the personnel he had to work with in all fairness.

JC has a lot more talent to work with and IMO he didn't have this team ready at the start of the season and the record reflects it.
We can talk about all the different players brought in and how that was the big challenge , but every team in the league has the same factors.

mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 15 @ 2:28 PM ET
You stop yourself with you newfangled logic!
- Chunk


Cruiser: I figured I'd sign up before I was drafted

Sargeant Hulka: Son, there ain't no draft no more.

Cruiser: There was one?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 15 @ 2:29 PM ET
Imo bringing in a new General Manager with a fresh set of eyes , I believe would be great for the organization as a whole , as to whom that I can't answer. As far as a new head coach well gallant just became available and quite frankly having a experienced coach behind the bench helps with matchups, line combinations, schemes and getting more consistency out of this team.

Touching the GM point again IMO my impression of the front office is they still believe this team can compete , maybe that's true with a more experienced head coach, but some of the players Nylander, Gus, as examples are liabilities .

- Taylorst1


Bob Pulford is still around. He can hire his son-in law Dean Lombardi as his assistant.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
Imo bringing in a new General Manager with a fresh set of eyes , I believe would be great for the organization as a whole , as to whom that I can't answer. As far as a new head coach well gallant just became available and quite frankly having a experienced coach behind the bench helps with matchups, line combinations, schemes and getting more consistency out of this team.

Touching the GM point again IMO my impression of the front office is they still believe this team can compete , maybe that's true with a more experienced head coach, but some of the players Nylander, Gus, as examples are liabilities .

- Taylorst1


I get the concepts, but they have half of an NHL roster. You can't play two lines the whole game.

We can debate the "fresh set of eyes" idea until blue in the face. The fact of the matter is that the largest contracts on this team are locked in until/unless they want to leave.
Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

Jan 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
Gerard Gallant is the type of coach that Stan should definitely explore.

Really surprised Vegas let him go.

- Tyler Cameron


Agreed TC....If Rocky and company really want to keep this window open until the big 3 are done, this is a no-brainer. They have 3 years left I believe to push forward with this core. JC just isn't getting the results expected from last year's team. Maybe a kick in the arse coach will wake this ho-hum group up.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jan 15 @ 2:31 PM ET
Yep, and that's a good thing. How do we "sense" what is behind his reactions?

Kane signed up for the downturn. I don't understand the pity party on his behalf.

- mohel


Based on when I've seen his reactions happening: sometimes, it's when the refs really miss a call, but usually the facial expressions and stick slamming and swearing come right after some badly messed up play by his line (including his own mistakes) or after the team gives up a lead or an easy goal. When I was at a game earlier this year he was barking at DBC and Strome more than once as they were coming off the ice.

But you're right, maybe he is actually thinking about how he burnt the lasagne the night before and I'm misreading.

And, I don't believe either he or Toews predicted and "signed up for" belief that signing those contracts would mean a rapid decline of their fellow players and 5-year long depletion of talent on the team. That's just as much putting thoughts in his head as I admittedly am.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 2:31 PM ET
I get where you are trying to go with your statement , but let's all be honest here. Stan dealt coach Q a dog poop hand with the personnel he had to work with in all fairness.

JC has a lot more talent to work with and IMO he didn't have this team ready at the start of the season and the record reflects it.
We can talk about all the different players brought in and how that was the big challenge , but every team in the league has the same factors.

- Taylorst1


Sorry, but nope.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 15 @ 2:32 PM ET
Does anyone remember Anton Forsberg? No? He was here the last couple of years. Tore it up in the AHL for a couple different teams and was lost in the NHL. Why does everyone think Lankinen will do anything different without seeing him in the NHL?

I also find it funny that people completely dismiss Delia now. He was 6-4-3 with a .908 save percentage on the disaster we watched last year. He also had a bunch going on in his personal life to start this year, and now is playing much better (and oh yeah, he is actually signed to an NHL deal).

- Chunk

How well either Laakinen or Delia performs I training camp is going to earn them the back up role. Laakinen I surmise is the more technically solid or fundamentally strong netminder. Delia was too quickly signed to an NHL contract and has perhaps worked to overcome on ice and off ice issues. And while Laakinen had an AHL All Star award this season based on very good performance earlier this season, plus was solid in the World Championship run last spring, still it beats repeating it is going to be a case of whom looks better in training camp. I could imagine that the back up gets rusty holding the bench door and once or twice those two could switch roles via a quick AHL demotion so that one of them gets in a couple starts to stay sharp and fresh.[/img]
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 15 @ 2:32 PM ET
I get where you are trying to go with your statement , but let's all be honest here. Stan dealt coach Q a dog poop hand with the personnel he had to work with in all fairness.

JC has a lot more talent to work with and IMO he didn't have this team ready at the start of the season and the record reflects it.
We can talk about all the different players brought in and how that was the big challenge , but every team in the league has the same factors.

- Taylorst1


Actually considering the injuries this year, and what you see being trotted out as a line-up, it seems a pretty big accomplishment that the team is treading water, I thought they might end up rivaling Detroit for all those loettery balls.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jan 15 @ 2:34 PM ET
Actually considering the injuries this year, and what you see being trotted out as a line-up, it seems a pretty big accomplishment that the team is treading water, I thought they might end up rivaling Detroit for all those loettery balls.
- LAHawk




Agreed - I had written off the season after Saad and Strome went down. Impressive what they've done with the misfit toys lineup.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
I get where you are trying to go with your statement , but let's all be honest here. Stan dealt coach Q a dog poop hand with the personnel he had to work with in all fairness.

JC has a lot more talent to work with and IMO he didn't have this team ready at the start of the season and the record reflects it.
We can talk about all the different players brought in and how that was the big challenge , but every team in the league has the same factors.

- Taylorst1


Really? All the vets are two years older than Q's last full season. CDH and Shaw hurt. Saad and Strome have also missed time. And you think it is an improved roster over Q's last full season?

Just one more thing......you say the roster is improving, but they should fire the GM. Does this make sense to you?
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