The pp is so bad when they don't give up a sh goal it's a win.
- rpeters01

Touche lol --- and agreed.

nice...over reaction and factually false...he doesn't "give up a goal every pp"...and yeah 5v5 is important...and the pk has been a great strength the last 6 weeks

crow/lehner could not keep up 92-94% save%...they have regressed the last month...
what hasn't changed is the lousy defense and pss poor 5v5 by his mates; given that unfortunate combo the hawks are 2nd in the league in GA over the last month with 50 despite an improved pk
- bogiedoc

Lehner has been better then Crawford this year. That’s a fact.

It’s ok to still like Crawford but this over protection of guys like him rivals the love for saad, frolic, Bolland, Kruger and on.

Crawford was a great goalie. It’s time to move on and signing lehner is also a waste seeing they aren’t close to being a cup contender.

Sinking 8 million into a guy for 5+ years and half way through his deal he’ll be destroyed given the grade A chances and shots against he’ll face with a. Young and aging few d men.

Blow it up.

nice...over reaction and factually false...he doesn't "give up a goal every pp"...and yeah 5v5 is important...and the pk has been a great strength the last 6 weeks

crow/lehner could not keep up 92-94% save%...they have regressed the last month...
what hasn't changed is the lousy defense and pss poor 5v5 by his mates; given that unfortunate combo the hawks are 2nd in the league in GA over the last month with 50 despite an improved pk
- bogiedoc

Statically Lehner is better. When DeHann went down it hit the fan. Earlier in the year many were using the 5v5 argument to prop Crow up. Irregardless, Lehner is better.

Non-hockey news, sorry, read over me. Rest in peace, Neil Peart.
- I Am The Breadman

Best (frank)ing drummer ever... and he wrote just about every lyric for Rush.

If you’ve never air-drummed through the entire Moving Pictures album, you don’t like rock-n-roll.

If Lehner goes, man this team is screwed. I’m curious what his real market value is. Is he going to want Bob money, then we can’t afford it.

I think he pulled the trigger on the Maatta deal because it filled the need that this team needed and then Carolina made it known de Haan was available Stan doubled down because he knew they need the help. Plus they got him for pennies on the dollar because of his injury history.
- Savetheembers33

The mistake with deHaan was not signing him a year earlier, when he was a FA. I was one that wanted him then, to solidify the D instead Stan signed a couple of D who are no longer in the league.

And if we could undo the Maatta trade I would.

This is a better team with Jokiharju & Kahun, instead of Maatta & Nylander. Kahun is at 10-13-23 BTW.

If Lehner goes, man this team is screwed. I’m curious what his real market value is. Is he going to want Bob money, then we can’t afford it.
- gifman

The team is screwed either way. He’s been absolutely lights out and they still suck. He’s been the difference between ‘embarassing’ and ‘slightly less embarrassing’.

No. I don't think they should do it unless and until they identify a better candidate. Nobody has a name, except Hextall (who would be an intriguing option).
- mohel

If Rocky has the stones to do a full tear down, I would be 100% in favor of Hextall and his scouting team. He was let go because he didn’t want to trade any of his Dmen prospects for old aging veterans. Now Philly has an embarrassment of riches of young Dmen prospects. Even signed an undrafted prospect Zamula who was really good in this past tournament, playing with an injury. I could see Hextall bring in John Stevens as coach, who he’s worked with in both LA and Philly....and is said to be able to develop young talent.

We lucked into the 3rd overall pick the last draft, but we will need more young generational talent to win a cup. We drafted Seabrook and Keith a few years prior to Toews/Kane....and we’ll need in my opinion do a similar restocking of draft picks & prospects, knowing that they will need 3-4 years of seasoning before they are in their “prime” to compete for a Cup.

Sorry for the long winded post, I’ll go back to my bourbon now....

Non-hockey news, sorry, read over me. Rest in peace, Neil Peart.
- I Am The Breadman

Sad news, indeed!! RIP, Professor....

Best (frank)ing drummer ever... and he wrote just about every lyric for Rush.

If you’ve never air-drummed through the entire Moving Pictures album, you don’t like rock-n-roll.

Amen.....

Can we PLEASE have #2 sit upstairs for a game or two so we don't have to see him cough up the puck around the Hawks net, leave an opposing player wide open to score, miss the net or have his shot blocked EVERY time or cross over the wrong way on a 2 on 1 so the puck carrier has so much room that he can waltz in and deke out our goalie for the score , etc. Never, ever seen such an overrated player.
- Nmbr1

Eric Karlson hasn’t won jack
King Henry
Peekerr Rene

Lehner has been better then Crawford this year. That’s a fact.

It’s ok to still like Crawford but this over protection of guys like him rivals the love for saad, frolic, Bolland, Kruger and on.

Crawford was a great goalie. It’s time to move on and signing lehner is also a waste seeing they aren’t close to being a cup contender.

Sinking 8 million into a guy for 5+ years and half way through his deal he’ll be destroyed given the grade A chances and shots against he’ll face with a. Young and aging few d men.

Blow it up.
- SteveRain

Yes lehner has been better over all. But this idea of blowing it up is absurd...you want some cam ward type guy for a few years and an unknown AHL guy as back up?

It appears Lehner wants to stay but he want no more on year deals and he wants to stay put for awhile. There is a big elephant in the room though...his mental health: bipolar can be controlled with medication but you are never healed of it. I have a family member and know others dealing with it. Honestly that could limit what teams are willing to commit.

The stanbow has a big decision: sign him, trade him or lose him for nothing...

If he is allowed to go UFA he ain't signing here, I suspect other teams looking for that goalie to put them in cup contention will offer more than the hawks can or are willing to offer.

Lehner is 109-117-44 with a 2.71 GAA and .918 save percentage in 290 NHL games.

"All I know is I really like it here and we'll see," Lehner said. "I've learned enough, this is a business and no matter how good things are going, how well you like it, sometimes it's not up to you and it's not in your control. But I know where I stand, I really like this team and I still really believe in this team. and the pieces this team has. I'd like to be a part of the turnaround."

The team is screwed either way. He’s been absolutely lights out and they still suck. He’s been the difference between ‘embarassing’ and ‘slightly less embarrassing’.
- DarthKane

he has been difference between them being redwings 2.0...

Statically Lehner is better. When DeHann went down it hit the fan. Earlier in the year many were using the 5v5 argument to prop Crow up. Irregardless, Lehner is better.
- rpeters01[/quote]

i agree...

he has been difference between them being redwings 2.0...
- bogiedoc

Ok same page. Tough at times to read people’s tone on here. Didn’t mean to come off attacking. 👍🏻

Yes lehner has been better over all. But this idea of blowing it up is absurd...you want some cam ward type guy for a few years and an unknown AHL guy as back up?

It appears Lehner wants to stay but he want no more on year deals and he wants to stay put for awhile. There is a big elephant in the room though...his mental health: bipolar can be controlled with medication but you are never healed of it. I have a family member and know others dealing with it. Honestly that could limit what teams are willing to commit.

The stanbow has a big decision: sign him, trade him or lose him for nothing...

If he is allowed to go UFA he ain't signing here, I suspect other teams looking for that goalie to put them in cup contention will offer more than the hawks can or are willing to offer.

Lehner is 109-117-44 with a 2.71 GAA and .918 save percentage in 290 NHL games.

"All I know is I really like it here and we'll see," Lehner said. "I've learned enough, this is a business and no matter how good things are going, how well you like it, sometimes it's not up to you and it's not in your control. But I know where I stand, I really like this team and I still really believe in this team. and the pieces this team has. I'd like to be a part of the turnaround."
- bogiedoc

Same. Bi Pilar is tough. Seems the guys like him in the room.

I respect and love what the core guys brought to all of us last decade. I’ll cherish it forever.

However at some point you have to move forward and this continual band aid approach to appease whatever sector of the Fan base they afraid to lose is asinine. It’s not working.

I’m not a gm. I just can stomach a full on tear down. Not saying it’ll ever happen but they tried everything. I don’t blame bowman. He is trying. I liked dehaan maata and carpenter.

I think Nylander deserves two full years to see where he ends up. They can afford to be patient. This team isn’t in the “window” to win so letting kids learn is perfectly ok.

They have some tough calls coming up. Saad is a huge one. Crawford vs lehner is another. I don’t envy bowmans spot but this clinging to playoff hopes is over for me. They are done. So now you decide what you’re doing and you sell where you can and maximize return.

I know how crow plays out

Stanbo trades him for a pick

Crow signs a 1 year extension with that team thru 2021

Crow signs Back with Hawks for 21/22 season in a bringing back the band move

Dec 2022 - Crow has his one last shift night

So easy!!!

Ok same page. Tough at times to read people’s tone on here. Didn’t mean to come off attacking. 👍🏻
- SteveRain

you are not attacking or coming off that way...I always respect and enjoy your insights and passion

on this issue i am not sure stanbow can or should "blow it up"

one option is to talk with toews, kane, seab and keith and say gents we love ya, your numbers are going up in the rafters, but we need to move ya and look to the future...waive your NMC's and give me list...

Yes lehner has been better over all. But this idea of blowing it up is absurd...you want some cam ward type guy for a few years and an unknown AHL guy as back up?

It appears Lehner wants to stay but he want no more on year deals and he wants to stay put for awhile. There is a big elephant in the room though...his mental health: bipolar can be controlled with medication but you are never healed of it. I have a family member and know others dealing with it. Honestly that could limit what teams are willing to commit.

The stanbow has a big decision: sign him, trade him or lose him for nothing...

If he is allowed to go UFA he ain't signing here, I suspect other teams looking for that goalie to put them in cup contention will offer more than the hawks can or are willing to offer.

Lehner is 109-117-44 with a 2.71 GAA and .918 save percentage in 290 NHL games.

"All I know is I really like it here and we'll see," Lehner said. "I've learned enough, this is a business and no matter how good things are going, how well you like it, sometimes it's not up to you and it's not in your control. But I know where I stand, I really like this team and I still really believe in this team. and the pieces this team has. I'd like to be a part of the turnaround."
- bogiedoc

Now that quote is entirely opposite of the earlier quote I commented on. Based on this quote, is I was GM, I would do everything I could to sign him. The 'Hawks salary cap situation, as always, will be a factor.

you are not attacking or coming off that way...I always respect and enjoy your insights and passion

on this issue i am not sure stanbow can or should "blow it up"

one option is to talk with toews, kane, seab and keith and say gents we love ya, your numbers are going up in the rafters, but we need to move ya and look to the future...waive your NMC's and give me list...
- bogiedoc

Agreed.

Same page. I’d love to see it, I just don’t see it happening.

Next few months are more about long term organizational moves than who plays with Toews & Kane
It’s a cross roads in philosophy & what the Hawks will look like in 2025

The Elephant in the room between now & trade deadline is the Coach & the GM

I want the team to start over with 5 things

1-New President of Hockey operations with a serious Hockey background
2- New GM with a 5 year mandate
3- New Coach with credentials
4- Plan in place by June to do the painful rebuild
5- An open letter to the fans explaining what the path back to a competitive organization looks like

Next few months are more about long term organizational moves than who plays with Toews & Kane
It’s a cross roads in philosophy & what the Hawks will look like in 2025

The Elephant in the room between now & trade deadline is the Coach & the GM

I want the team to start over with 5 things

1-New President of Hockey operations with a serious Hockey background
2- New GM with a 5 year mandate
3- New Coach with credentials
4- Plan in place by June to do the painful rebuild
5- An open letter to the fans explaining what the path back to a competitive organization looks like
- Colbyboy

It's just not that easy. Buffalo and Edmonton at about 10 years of bad now. Redwings 5 years still the worst team in Hockey. LA 3 years like us haven't even torn it down yet. It's not easy, you don't know how the lottery balls are going to fall. Drafting and scouting are far from an exact science.

It's just not that easy. Buffalo and Edmonton at about 10 years of bad now. Redwings 5 years still the worst team in Hockey. LA 3 years like us haven't even torn it down yet. It's not easy, you don't know how the lottery balls are going to fall. Drafting and scouting are far from an exact science.
- rpeters01

you are dead on with this...

It's just not that easy. Buffalo and Edmonton at about 10 years of bad now. Redwings 5 years still the worst team in Hockey. LA 3 years like us haven't even torn it down yet. It's not easy, you don't know how the lottery balls are going to fall. Drafting and scouting are far from an exact science.
- rpeters01

Still though, doesn’t hurt to try and get as many top draft picks as possible/draft as high as possible. The higher you draft, in general, you’re gonna have a better shot at a higher end talent. Those odds are worth losing for. Winning does nothing at this point. I disagree with those that say losing is bad for young players to experience. I think if anything it motivates them, and the more you suffer the stronger you’ll become once the youth develops and the team gains experience.

Still though, doesn’t hurt to try and get as many top draft picks as possible/draft as high as possible. The higher you draft, in general, you’re gonna have a better shot at a higher end talent. Those odds are worth losing for. Winning does nothing at this point. I disagree with those that say losing is bad for young players to experience. I think if anything it motivates them, and the more you suffer the stronger you’ll become once the youth develops and the team gains experience.
- SimpleJack

Agreed, I meant the plan he was asking for is an oversimplification of something much more complex and uncontrollable.