Stan won't move Saad until a value in trade is determined first by other transactions - like the Rangers moving Chris Kreider or even Tyler Toffoli with LA.

Add to that, what if major injuries happen to forwards playing on serious Cup contenders - that would drive the price up for sure.

I could see Boston as a very interested team in Saad.
- RickJ

Apples and oranges. Kreider and Toffoli are rentals. Saad has another year on his deal.

Gustafsson has not helped Stan by being every bit as awful defensively at age 28 than he was at age 21. He has offensive skill, but Boqvist shows like he has that offensive potential with more signs defensively than Gus showed at that age. I think it will be maybe a late 3rd round choice best case given his weakness in his own end.

Plus I think the team wants Ian Mitchell on board and vice versa, at least as of now.

The good news is the team will be able to sort out some of its prospects to see if anyone rises above a 4th line roll. Glad to see Sikura score - the pressure off may help him. Still he is pretty tiny, though better defensively than the other undersized Hawks.

Apples and oranges. Kreider and Toffoli are rentals. Saad has another year on his deal.
- -Doh-

Thats true but it doesnt change Saad's value at the TDL if a team is anxious to add an all round forward with playoff experience.

Thats true but it doesnt change Saad's value at the TDL if a team is anxious to add an all round forward with playoff experience.
- RickJ

Actually having an extra year of year of known cost and control should elevate Saad's value. If he were a rental his trade value would be much less. Toffoli and Kreider are rentals.

Actually having an extra year of year of known cost and control should elevate Saad's value. If he were a rental his trade value would be much less. Toffoli and Kreider are rentals.
- -Doh-

It helps if the other team has space for next year. It hurts if the other team is up against the cap in 20-21.

It helps if the other team has space for next year. It hurts if the other team is up against the cap in 20-21.
- tvetter

Overall it has to help his value.

Actually having an extra year of year of known cost and control should elevate Saad's value. If he were a rental his trade value would be much less. Toffoli and Kreider are rentals.
- -Doh-

That depends on a few things, including what position they play. Winnipeg spent their #1 pick 2 years in a row for on centers (Stastny and Kevin Hayes) and couldn't resign either one.

Saad, Kreider and Toffoli are all wingers which probably reduces their value in trade somewhat. But to your point, if teams like Winnipeg, Edmonton or Calgary and a few others in outpost locations wanted something to keep for another season to justify the acquistion cost they would probably opt for Saad.

For sure, Pitt needs a replacement piece for Guentzel.

But Stan dealing with Jim Rutherford is a frightening idea because he probably has a newer model of Rob Scuderi laying around somewhere that he would convince Stan to take back.
- RickJ

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- GPHawksfan

Ahh damn took the thought right outta my head

God this team is so incredibility frustrating. They can look like a Playoff team at times and look like a complete dud at others. We really are stuck in the middle right now and as long as there's a chance that this team can go on a run and make the Playoffs Stan isn't gonna sell for one second

God this team is so incredibility frustrating. They can look like a Playoff team at times and look like a complete dud at others. We really are stuck in the middle right now and as long as there's a chance that this team can go on a run and make the Playoffs Stan isn't gonna sell for one second
- Savetheembers33

No reason to sell for anything less than #2's. Otherwise you are giving up guys who can play for guys who likely will never play. Exceptions are Smith and tanking...

God this team is so incredibility frustrating. They can look like a Playoff team at times and look like a complete dud at others. We really are stuck in the middle right now and as long as there's a chance that this team can go on a run and make the Playoffs Stan isn't gonna sell for one second
- Savetheembers33

I was just thinking that and agree. In fact, if he is 5 points out of a playoff spot (like the Hawks are today), he might have to make a move to appease the veterans and try to strengthen the team for the finish. If that is the case, i can see one of the goalies go, (sorry, gus has no value) he isn't giving up his prospects, other than that I think the trade deadline could be very quiet for the Hawks. It was last year, but they made their moves early by getting Strome, Perlini, and Cags.

Speaking of Perlini, plaing 4th line for Detroit and has 2 assists in 25 games. Definite candidate to be playing in Europe next year.

Actually having an extra year of year of known cost and control should elevate Saad's value. If he were a rental his trade value would be much less. Toffoli and Kreider are rentals.
- -Doh-

Depends on the team.

Kings probably have more traadeable assets, Tyfoli and Martinex both UFA after this season, Kings want draft picks too.

Tuesday's game is pretty big. Calgary tied for the last playoff spot, 5 points ahead of the Hawks, Hawks have one game in hand.

God this team is so incredibility frustrating. They can look like a Playoff team at times and look like a complete dud at others. We really are stuck in the middle right now and as long as there's a chance that this team can go on a run and make the Playoffs Stan isn't gonna sell for one second
- Savetheembers33

Unfortunately they do that not just game to game or period to period, but shift to shift. playing games with 7 or 8 guys who have played less than 50 NHL games is a big reason for this.

Unfortunately they do that not just game to game or period to period, but shift to shift. playing games with 7 or 8 guys who have played less than 50 NHL games is a big reason for this.
- TheTrob

Stan knows they are not a playoff team. Any MBA can see that. Rocky and McD are the problem.

No reason to sell for anything less than #2's. Otherwise you are giving up guys who can play for guys who likely will never play. Exceptions are Smith and tanking...
- rpeters01

I've maintained that if the right offer came along that would help the team long term that they have to do it. As much as I love and appreciate what guys have done and I'm a fan of the players my loyalty is with the team

I was just thinking that and agree. In fact, if he is 5 points out of a playoff spot (like the Hawks are today), he might have to make a move to appease the veterans and try to strengthen the team for the finish. If that is the case, i can see one of the goalies go, (sorry, gus has no value) he isn't giving up his prospects, other than that I think the trade deadline could be very quiet for the Hawks. It was last year, but they made their moves early by getting Strome, Perlini, and Cags.

Speaking of Perlini, plaing 4th line for Detroit and has 2 assists in 25 games. Definite candidate to be playing in Europe next year.
- LAHawk

Yeah honestly if they can continue to hover around 3 games outta a Playoff spot this year Stan is going to add a piece OR two to this team. Rumors have been out he's been looking for Defensive help all year, but stuff is out there as well about us looking for some forward depth as well

Crazy that a guy can have all the physical attributes that you look for in an NHL player (and he's flashed that skill) but he just can't seem to put it together in the NHL. I think he'll get a minor league contract this offseason before he goes to Europe. Some team will think they can pull a DuClair and get that potential to play through

Unfortunately they do that not just game to game or period to period, but shift to shift. playing games with 7 or 8 guys who have played less than 50 NHL games is a big reason for this.
- TheTrob

That's an excellent point. Their inconsistency could have a lot to do with having so many rookies on this team. Them growing together could be a huge benefit to the team going forward though.

Stan knows they are not a playoff team. Any MBA can see that. Rocky and McD are the problem.
- rpeters01

Stan knows they are not a playoff team. Any MBA can see that. Rocky and McD are the problem.
- rpeters01

Ehh idk about that. I think if he didn't think they were a Playoff team he wouldn't be sniffing around making upgrades for this team. I think he truly believes that this team can be a Playoff team.

Big difference from being a Cup contender though which is what most of us want them to be once again.

I wouldn't say Rocky or McD are the problem right now. McD is doing his job to perfection spinning another poor season into a parade of celebration for the 2010 Stanley Cup team to keep fans coming out to the games.

Now if they continue on this slide and McD keeps his PR spin machine going then yes he will be part of the problem as he was with the Cubs and Rocky, if he wants to separate himself from his father, needs to make the right and smart business moves to keep the franchise going rather than be stuck with his personal relationships

I was just thinking that and agree. In fact, if he is 5 points out of a playoff spot (like the Hawks are today), he might have to make a move to appease the veterans and try to strengthen the team for the finish. If that is the case, i can see one of the goalies go, (sorry, gus has no value) he isn't giving up his prospects, other than that I think the trade deadline could be very quiet for the Hawks. It was last year, but they made their moves early by getting Strome, Perlini, and Cags.

Speaking of Perlini, plaing 4th line for Detroit and has 2 assists in 25 games. Definite candidate to be playing in Europe next year.
- LAHawk

Could be Saad for a defenseman on a short deal, plus candy.

I'd rather see Saad for picks/prospects.

Ehh idk about that. I think if he didn't think they were a Playoff team he wouldn't be sniffing around making upgrades for this team. I think he truly believes that this team can be a Playoff team.

Big difference from being a Cup contender though which is what most of us want them to be once again.

I wouldn't say Rocky or McD are the problem right now. McD is doing his job to perfection spinning another poor season into a parade of celebration for the 2010 Stanley Cup team to keep fans coming out to the games.

Now if they continue on this slide and McD keeps his PR spin machine going then yes he will be part of the problem as he was with the Cubs and Rocky, if he wants to separate himself from his father, needs to make the right and smart business moves to keep the franchise going rather than be stuck with his personal relationships
- Savetheembers33

I would say Stan's looking to add more because his bosses want him to go for it. Of course I really am clueless what is going on? I base it more on them not selling because I believe a hockey person and any new GM would only take the job under a rebuild scenario. To Ryan Pace's credit, he told George when he took the job "be patient this is going to take time." Now if he could only draft a quarterback...

That's an excellent point. Their inconsistency could have a lot to do with having so many rookies on this team. Them growing together could be a huge benefit to the team going forward though.
- Savetheembers33

And their coach is not a good coach. At least in terms of being a bench coach.

I would say Stan's looking to add more because his bosses want him to go for it. Of course I really am clueless what is going on? I base it more on them not selling because I believe a hockey person and any new GM would only take the job under a rebuild scenario. To Ryan Pace's credit, he told George when he took the job "be patient this is going to take time." Now if he could only draft a quarterback...
- rpeters01

Well, we (some) believe that a rebuild is necessary to fix the team long term because of the team struggling the past few years and their farm system being pretty bare the past few years. However, there is a lot of talent on this team. Am I saying that this can be a sure fire Playoff team with a trade or two? I mean it's possible but unlikely. (especially if it cost them top prospect and draft pick capital). Would it make them a Cup contender? HIGHLY unlikely, but could they get back to being a competitive team next year with a strong offseason? It's possible, but at some point this team is gonna crash down once the high end talent is gone. IF they did fire Stan than more than likely a new GM would wanna rebuild things for a longer window to compete.

Bears biggest problem was finding success too soon last year when they weren't ready for it. Expectations have always been a downfall of teams in this city unfortunately.