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Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
If anything, I hope he saw the effort that both Highmore and Sikura play with every shift. If he brought that (and a bit more of a shoot-first mentality) I think he would be a very nice player for this team.
- Chunk


That's what I'm hoping. Hopefully he saw the urgency that both Sikura and Highmore had in their game knowing that if they didn't show up every shift they could get sent back down again.

I still think at the very least that Nylander can be a very good Top 9ish player. Ability to be a Top 6 player but if he's on your 3rd line you've got serious depth up front and that only continues to bode well for your team. You can see why he was drafted 8th overall by Buffalo. The talent is there. The consistency needs to be developed and as a 21 year hold he's got PLENTY of time to come into his own and be that kind of player.

The hard part is that people wanna see the team win now and that never bodes well for young players trying to learn the game unless they have elite talent.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 2:03 PM ET
Lehner back on the ice today. So good news there.

Expect Crow to start tonight still though.

- Tyler Cameron


How are you feeling? Hope you are back to 100%.
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 7 @ 2:05 PM ET
Im in the same camp as you. I see Gilbert make a difference and I don't think he is as bad as people here are saying. Then again, there were some justifying Marcus Kruger on here for years.
- nickmo2699


He's making rookie mistakes that with experience and practice can be corrected to make a serviceable NHLer.

Count me in as one of the people who was in the Kruger camp. The issue people had with him (the first time) was the salary he was making (which was done as a thank you for him taking less in previous years), but he's exactly the type of guy who need in your bottom six to win. The second time, he had the tools to bring what the Hawks needed. Unfortunately, his play had dipped off to the point that he could no longer keep up with others in the league
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Jan 7 @ 2:18 PM ET
Anybody get all the latest on this kid from Detroit Andreas Anatheseau or however you spell it, was Bowman looking at him, I thought he looked good last year I don’t know what happened this year I would not mind seeing Bowman try to poach him from the Red Wings. Or does he have a soft as poop mentality like Alex Nylander, By that I mean competing hard every shift and not taking a shift off.
BobP.
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 12.29.2010

Jan 7 @ 2:22 PM ET
we like our team..if it wasn't for the all the injuries we are fighting for the division...

interview over...

- bogiedoc


Did he really say that ??!! If he did, all I can say is...……...wow
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 7 @ 2:29 PM ET
Anybody get all the latest on this kid from Detroit Andreas Anatheseau or however you spell it, was Bowman looking at him, I thought he looked good last year I don’t know what happened this year I would not mind seeing Bowman try to poach him from the Red Wings. Or does he have a soft as poop mentality like Alex Nylander, By that I mean competing hard every shift and not taking a shift off.
- wonthecup10


Same problem as A. Nylander except he has 5 years in the league, with only last year being consistent. You can put him in the Anthony DuClair category, great talent, but what are you going to get from him day in and day out.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jan 7 @ 2:29 PM ET
Tough game tonight .Hope Crow is up for it ,big chance for him to build confidence .
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 7 @ 2:29 PM ET
Ha status quo.

Parts I was able to catch while at work...

Shaw hasn't been ruled out this year. Depends on how he progresses.

Spoke about how Michal Teply is a guy who impressed him as far as prospects go.

Keeping an eye on the play of the team and the trade market since they're in the thick of things. Not thinking about the past few seasons of missing the Playoffs. Focused on this year. Hoping they can build on their recent success

No comment on contract extensions with Strome, Lehenr, Gus, etc.

Likes what he's seen from Ian Mitchell so far this year. Been communicating with him. Wishes he was with the Hawks now, but understands staying committed to Denver and wanting to help them win.

- Savetheembers33


I would really love to see Carlsson up for a few games. But it would likely come at Gilbert expense. Or possibly Maata. Maata is a veteran I believe they would prefer to keep in the line up because of his experience more than anything else. With Gilbert yeah he serves a purpose as the team tough and just the desire to have at least one dman who plays a tough knock down style. With Gilbert the coach and GM want to see progress

Gilbert had been critiized for his poor coverage. For this reason I do not know why not insert either Carlsson or Koekkoek

I am on record as wanting to give Koekkoek another fair opportunity. He needs a few games or more to prove he can become steady all purpose and eliminate the blunders we see inevitably in past trials. He has enough pro experience and his advanced stats are cited as better than other teamattes. Give him opportunity to stop with those blunders because I expect some at first if no other reason than rust from lack of game action

Carlsson scouting report makes him appear to.be a good complimentary partner with even Boqvist eventually - and he paired with him before either had turned pro!

Rockford strength is goaltending and defense so perhaps Bowman has been liking Carlsson being in a top dman role at that level. I personally wonder why he is said to only project as a bottom pair guy. His ceiling might actually be as a solid second pair.

He has the sort of game style I really prefer so I therefore want to see him get an opportunity. It is coming before season end, or so we sort of have been led to believe will occur
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 7 @ 2:30 PM ET
Charlie Roumeliotis

@CRoumeliotis
Stan Bowman on Alex Nylander: "It's a mixed performance ... but still encouraged by what he's shown. His best game can really impact us in a positive way, so if we can bring that out on a regular basis that will help the team." #Blackhawks
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 7 @ 2:31 PM ET
Did he really say that ??!! If he did, all I can say is...……...wow
- BobP.


no...just me being a cynical fan....
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 7 @ 2:32 PM ET
Charlie Roumeliotis

@CRoumeliotis
Stan Bowman on Alex Nylander: "It's a mixed performance ... but still encouraged by what he's shown. His best game can really impact us in a positive way, so if we can bring that out on a regular basis that will help the team." #Blackhawks

- LAHawk


hmmm...hasn't that been the problem his entire young career so far...
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 7 @ 2:34 PM ET
I would really love to see Carlsson up for a few games. But it would likely come at Gilbert expense. Or possibly Maata. Maata is a veteran I believe they would prefer to keep in the line up because of his experience more than anything else. With Gilbert yeah he serves a purpose as the team tough and just the desire to have at least one dman who plays a tough knock down style. With Gilbert the coach and GM want to see progress

Gilbert had been critiized for his poor coverage. For this reason I do not know why not insert either Carlsson or Koekkoek

I am on record as wanting to give Koekkoek another fair opportunity. He needs a few games or more to prove he can become steady all purpose and eliminate the blunders we see inevitably in past trials. He has enough pro experience and his advanced stats are cited as better than other teamattes. Give him opportunity to stop with those blunders because I expect some at first if no other reason than rust from lack of game action

Carlsson scouting report makes him appear to.be a good complimentary partner with even Boqvist eventually - and he paired with him before either had turned pro!

Rockford strength is goaltending and defense so perhaps Bowman has been liking Carlsson being in a top dman role at that level. I personally wonder why he is said to only project as a bottom pair guy. His ceiling might actually be as a solid second pair.

He has the sort of game style I really prefer so I therefore want to see him get an opportunity. It is coming before season end, or so we sort of have been led to believe will occur

- jhawk59


I've said it for awhile that I wanna see Carlsson get a shot this year with the team. I've been a fan of his for awhile. AEL_Fox and I have talked for the past few years about him and how his style could very well be a Hammer lite kinda player. Only way to find out is to let him play.

My hope was/is that the Hawks finally can find someone to bite and take Gus for some draft capital and they call up Carlsson. Let Gilbert, Koekkoek, and him rotate for the bottom pairing minutes. Find out what you have in both Gilbert and Carlsson (and even KK for that matter) before the conversations of Mitchell, Beaudin, etc. start to come up and we don't get to see what they can do.
Davewn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Des Moines, IA
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jan 7 @ 2:35 PM ET
That's what I'm hoping. Hopefully he saw the urgency that both Sikura and Highmore had in their game knowing that if they didn't show up every shift they could get sent back down again.

I still think at the very least that Nylander can be a very good Top 9ish player. Ability to be a Top 6 player but if he's on your 3rd line you've got serious depth up front and that only continues to bode well for your team. You can see why he was drafted 8th overall by Buffalo. The talent is there. The consistency needs to be developed and as a 21 year hold he's got PLENTY of time to come into his own and be that kind of player.

The hard part is that people wanna see the team win now and that never bodes well for young players trying to learn the game unless they have elite talent.

- Savetheembers33


He reminds me of Drouin when he came in the league- even the trade has parallels with Sergachev/Joki. He shows some flashes of the skill/hands that can't be taught, but his inconsistent effort, poor puck managment and lack of defensive awarenes makes him a liability on the ice if he isn't producing offense. Hopefully Nylander figures it out a little quicker...
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 7 @ 2:37 PM ET
Charlie Roumeliotis

@CRoumeliotis
Stan Bowman on Alex Nylander: "It's a mixed performance ... but still encouraged by what he's shown. His best game can really impact us in a positive way, so if we can bring that out on a regular basis that will help the team." #Blackhawks

- LAHawk


If CRumoumeliots reads this blog then please consider inquiring about Bowman's expectation for Carlsson (I know he won't inquire about Tuulola whom I guess could make NHL one day too).
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 7 @ 2:38 PM ET
hmmm...hasn't that been the problem his entire young career so far...

- bogiedoc


Entire career. The guys is only 21 and has only played 58 games. I am willing to give him more time to find his game at the NHL level. It is not like we have studs that at Rockford that he is blocking.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 7 @ 2:48 PM ET
That's what I'm hoping. Hopefully he saw the urgency that both Sikura and Highmore had in their game knowing that if they didn't show up every shift they could get sent back down again.

I still think at the very least that Nylander can be a very good Top 9ish player. Ability to be a Top 6 player but if he's on your 3rd line you've got serious depth up front and that only continues to bode well for your team. You can see why he was drafted 8th overall by Buffalo. The talent is there. The consistency needs to be developed and as a 21 year hold he's got PLENTY of time to come into his own and be that kind of player.

The hard part is that people wanna see the team win now and that never bodes well for young players trying to learn the game unless they have elite talent.

- Savetheembers33

You can't expect him to go from press box to top 6. It just doesn't work that way it takes time. Otherwise he wouldn't need the press box if it was that easy. World is full of guys with physical talent who never click. Hopefully not.
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 7 @ 2:50 PM ET
He reminds me of Drouin when he came in the league- even the trade has parallels with Sergachev/Joki. He shows some flashes of the skill/hands that can't be taught, but his inconsistent effort, poor puck managment and lack of defensive awarenes makes him a liability on the ice if he isn't producing offense. Hopefully Nylander figures it out a little quicker...
- Davewn


That's a great comparison to make on how his career trajectory could end up being
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 7 @ 2:51 PM ET
You can't expect him to go from press box to top 6. It just doesn't work that way it takes time. Otherwise he wouldn't need the press box if it was that easy. World is full of guys with physical talent who never click. Hopefully not.
- rpeters01


I'm not saying right now. I'm talking about in a few years when he's just about a finished product and we know what he is
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 7 @ 3:31 PM ET
That's a great comparison to make on how his career trajectory could end up being
- Savetheembers33


Weren't we saying the same about Schmaltz at around the same age? He was sent down for a bit.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 7 @ 3:37 PM ET
Jesse Pujljarvi was the 4th pick in the same draft as Nylander. Was it the organization that has caused him to not reach his potential, or does the player not have the drive?

Looks like Bogozian and Evan Rodriguez (Eichel's buddy from college) both want out of Buffalo. The team did the same as last year, started hot and faded fast.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 7 @ 3:42 PM ET
hmmm...hasn't that been the problem his entire young career so far...

- bogiedoc

21.

58 games in The Show.

bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 7 @ 4:02 PM ET
Entire career. The guys is only 21 and has only played 58 games. I am willing to give him more time to find his game at the NHL level. It is not like we have studs that at Rockford that he is blocking.
- -Doh-


I did say "young" career but it has been the issue in the AHL also. To be sure with what stanbow gave up for him..Nylander is going to continue to get every opportunity to figure it out. He definately has skill but parts of his game are not high end.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Jan 7 @ 4:06 PM ET
Let's hope Gus is playing because they are trying to move him and want to keep him in the lineup to retain the little trade value that he has.

If they move Gus they only have 6 healthy dmen. So K4 should get plenty of playing time.

Fox, if they are down to 6 healthy dmen who would you bring up from the Rock?

- -Doh-

There are reports from Bob Mackenzie and Pierre Lebrun that the hawks are looking to extend Gustafsson for three or four years at about 4,000,000
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 7 @ 4:11 PM ET
There are reports from Bob Mackenzie and Pierre Lebrun that the hawks are looking to extend Gustafsson for three or four years at about 4,000,000
- GPHawksfan


Where did you see that?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 7 @ 4:11 PM ET
Let's hope Gus is playing because they are trying to move him and want to keep him in the lineup to retain the little trade value that he has.

If they move Gus they only have 6 healthy dmen. So K4 should get plenty of playing time.

Fox, if they are down to 6 healthy dmen who would you bring up from the Rock?

- -Doh-

Carlsson but would also be good with McCoshen as well.

Carlsson is the most ready of the D prospects. He brings a similar package as Gilbert but I think he has better coverage and is a smoother skater.

McCoshen has some NHL experience and will be a free agent this summer so may be worth seeing what he can bring or else just cut him loose.
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