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smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Dec 18 @ 3:46 PM ET
Welp, here we are again:

https://www.nhl.com/news/...020-nhl-draft/c-309776500

I just don't see us getting in the top 3 next year. I would imagine we are picking 4-6 and 18-20(?) with AZs pick. Lots of D men to look at or do we go BPA?. What do you think about Askarov?

Also I see Holtby and Lehner are UFAs next year. Crawford also. Thoughts on any of them as a stop gap to help Blackwood?

- TRDevil



Assuming we are picking between 4 and 6, I like Jamie Drysdale, he wouldn't be a reach as far as being among the best players available there and fits the biggest organizational need- talented defensemen. Fast, skates well with the puck and a really good passer. Seems to be ranked anywhere from 3-8 . The other pick I'd like there is Lucas Raymond. He seems to be ranked anywhere from 2-5 right now. Goal scoring RW who is defensively capable too.

If Arizonas pick is early to mid 20's Jeremie Poirier would be a nice get, another offensive minded defenseman or maybe Jake Sanderson.

Obviously you want best player available, but if it's close between players that are available when we pick, I definitely think they need to put an emphasis on defensemen. We have our top 2 centers, Zacha looks like a good 3C and they have a glut of bottom 6 C's between McLeod and the prospects added from the Hall trade. Wingers are much easier to acquire via trade or free agency than defense.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:00 PM ET
Welp, here we are again:

https://www.nhl.com/news/...020-nhl-draft/c-309776500

I just don't see us getting in the top 3 next year. I would imagine we are picking 4-6 and 18-20(?) with AZs pick. Lots of D men to look at or do we go BPA?. What do you think about Askarov?

Also I see Holtby and Lehner are UFAs next year. Crawford also. Thoughts on any of them as a stop gap to help Blackwood?

- TRDevil


Assuming we have a top 5 pick im fine with any of Lafreniere/Byfield/Holtz/Raymond/Perfetti. If we drop to 5-7ish is where i'd consider going Drysdale or Askarov. As for the Arizona pick i cant say because it could realistically be anywhere from 15-31, too much time left in the season for them to shift around in the standings
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:14 PM ET
Assuming we have a top 5 pick im fine with any of Lafreniere/Byfield/Holtz/Raymond/Perfetti. If we drop to 5-7ish is where i'd consider going Drysdale or Askarov. As for the Arizona pick i cant say because it could realistically be anywhere from 15-31, too much time left in the season for them to shift around in the standings
- vlongo4419


Holtz is a great sniper. Lethal.
I love Byfield and his size, hands, smarts...

Do we take another C though?
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:19 PM ET
Holtz is a great sniper. Lethal.
I love Byfield and his size, hands, smarts...

Do we take another C though?

- Leniwm1


Definitely something to consider, but unless we win the lottery and land the #2 pick we probably wont need to make that decision. If we get 1, we go Lafreniere, and if we get #3 or later Byfield will likely be gone by the time we pick. A lot can change between now and the draft but he seem to be the consensus #2. I would be happy to get any of those forwards in the top 5, and thats looking like our fate as of now
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:23 PM ET
Holtz is a great sniper. Lethal.
I love Byfield and his size, hands, smarts...

Do we take another C though?

- Leniwm1


I was wondering what the pick would be if we got the 2nd pick since Byfield seems to be the consensus 2nd pick. We definitely dont need another C. Do we let him drop to 3 and pick Raymond?
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:25 PM ET
Definitely something to consider, but unless we win the lottery and land the #2 pick we probably wont need to make that decision. If we get 1, we go Lafreniere, and if we get #3 or later Byfield will likely be gone by the time we pick. A lot can change between now and the draft but he seem to be the consensus #2. I would be happy to get any of those forwards in the top 5, and thats looking like our fate as of now
- vlongo4419


I was watching a Byfield reel, he reminds me of Wheeler.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:26 PM ET
I was wondering what the pick would be if we got the 2nd pick since Byfield seems to be the consensus 2nd pick. We definitely dont need another C. Do we let him drop to 3 and pick Raymond?
- Devils4ever


Centerman can play wing (and its good to have that flexibility) . Zacha is doing this now. Say we get Byfield, maybe we pair up Nico and Jack on a line? Its so far away, but just thinking of possibilities.
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:30 PM ET
Centerman can play wing (and its good to have that flexibility) . Zacha is doing this now. Say we get Byfield, maybe we pair up Nico and Jack on a line? Its so far away, but just thinking of possibilities.
- Leniwm1


That's a fair point. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:32 PM ET
I really hope that we can be at least contending for a playoff spot next year. I'm really tired of anxiously waiting for the season to end and rooting for a top 3 pick. 🙄
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:35 PM ET
Definitely something to consider, but unless we win the lottery and land the #2 pick we probably wont need to make that decision. If we get 1, we go Lafreniere, and if we get #3 or later Byfield will likely be gone by the time we pick. A lot can change between now and the draft but he seem to be the consensus #2. I would be happy to get any of those forwards in the top 5, and thats looking like our fate as of now
- vlongo4419



#1 has to be Lafreniere. Lucas Raymond doesn't seem to be a stretch at #2.

We have such a glut at C that unless they think Byfield is a better prospect than Hughes/Hischier I'd pretty much rather trade down.

Hischer/Hughes/Zacha all 22 or under, then you have McLeod just about NHL ready (I hope).

Tyce Thompson playing well at Providence, Hoelscher having a good draft +1 season, the throw ins we just got in the Hall trade on top of the Seneys and Rooneys of the world.

We need D. If we land at #2 and a team is hot for Byfield the Devils should put a package together around that #2 for a true blue chip D prospect.
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:38 PM ET
#1 has to be Lafreniere. Lucas Raymond doesn't seem to be a stretch at #2.

We have such a glut at C that unless they think Byfield is a better prospect than Hughes/Hischier I'd pretty much rather trade down.

Hischer/Hughes/Zacha all 22 or under, then you have McLeod just about NHL ready (I hope).

Tyce Thompson playing well at Providence, Hoelscher having a good draft +1 season, the throw ins we just got in the Hall trade on top of the Seneys and Rooneys of the world.

We need D. If we land at #2 and a team is hot for Byfield the Devils should put a package together around that #2 for a true blue chip D prospect.

- smellmyfinger


I agree but that's a tough trade to find. Who has a d prospect like that they are willing to part ways with and are in dire need of a top C at the same time.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Dec 18 @ 4:38 PM ET
#1 has to be Lafreniere. Lucas Raymond doesn't seem to be a stretch at #2.

We have such a glut at C that unless they think Byfield is a better prospect than Hughes/Hischier I'd pretty much rather trade down.

Hischer/Hughes/Zacha all 22 or under, then you have McLeod just about NHL ready (I hope).

Tyce Thompson playing well at Providence, Hoelscher having a good draft +1 season, the throw ins we just got in the Hall trade on top of the Seneys and Rooneys of the world.

We need D. If we land at #2 and a team is hot for Byfield the Devils should put a package together around that #2 for a true blue chip D prospect.

- smellmyfinger

Yeah, I think if we draft top 3 we should probably just go best player available but if we're 4-6 range moving for a top young defenseman should be a no-brainer.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:38 PM ET
#1 has to be Lafreniere. Lucas Raymond doesn't seem to be a stretch at #2.

We have such a glut at C that unless they think Byfield is a better prospect than Hughes/Hischier I'd pretty much rather trade down.

Hischer/Hughes/Zacha all 22 or under, then you have McLeod just about NHL ready (I hope).

Tyce Thompson playing well at Providence, Hoelscher having a good draft +1 season, the throw ins we just got in the Hall trade on top of the Seneys and Rooneys of the world.

We need D. If we land at #2 and a team is hot for Byfield the Devils should put a package together around that #2 for a true blue chip D prospect.

- smellmyfinger


Assuming everything you said comes true, would you trade that 1st to Avs for Zadorov? Having him and Bahl patrolling the line would be a sight to see every game. (if it takes a 1st, it might not)
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:41 PM ET
Assuming everything you said comes true, would you trade that 1st to Avs for Zadorov? Having him and Bahl patrolling the line would be a sight to see every game. (if it takes a 1st, it might not)
- Leniwm1


Is Zadarov worth a 2nd overall?
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:42 PM ET
I agree but that's a tough trade to find. Who has a d prospect like that they are willing to part ways with and are in dire need of a top C at the same time.
- Devils4ever


I don't think it would necessarily work as a 1 for 1, but a package of our top pick and maybe a McLeod/Zetterlund, etc. for a good young D prospect and a later in round 1 pick or something along those lines may work.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Dec 18 @ 4:42 PM ET
Is Zadarov worth a 2nd overall?
- Devils4ever

No, because he's poop.
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:43 PM ET
I don't think it would necessarily work as a 1 for 1, but a package of our top pick and maybe a McLeod/Zetterlund, etc. for a good young D prospect and a later in round 1 pick or something along those lines may work.
- smellmyfinger


Yeah, I guess I could see that.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:43 PM ET
Is Zadarov worth a 2nd overall?
- Devils4ever


I watch the avs from the nhl.tv, i love the kid. So mean, punishing. He dont care who you are you're going down. imagine that x2.

To me, thats worth a first.

Like Shero said, we have plenty of the same player. We need players that bring different stuff.
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 4:43 PM ET
No, because he's poop.
- Pomegrant


I admit I dont know much about him.but that seems like a really high price.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:45 PM ET
Assuming everything you said comes true, would you trade that 1st to Avs for Zadorov? Having him and Bahl patrolling the line would be a sight to see every game. (if it takes a 1st, it might not)
- Leniwm1



No, not Zadarov.

If we have pick #1 I keep it all day and grab Lafreniere. After that it gets murky, but I would certainly look to move that pick for a dman. We can't just keep drafting the best center in the draft and give them nothing to work with and hope Blackwood can hold down fort playing behind Mueller, Carrick, and aging Subban and already old Green etc,

Smith looks promising, and I hope Ray knows what he's doing with Bahl, but neither of those guys are absolute locks for future top pairing D.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Dec 18 @ 4:52 PM ET
I admit I dont know much about him.but that seems like a really high price.
- Devils4ever

He's big and hits hard. That's it. He is not very good defensively.
Devils4ever
New Jersey Devils
Location: East Newark, NJ
Joined: 10.24.2013

Dec 18 @ 5:01 PM ET
He's big and hits hard. That's it. He is not very good defensively.
- Pomegrant


Oh, then yeah, we dont need him. ESPECIALLY not for a 2nd overall.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:10 PM ET
He's big and hits hard. That's it. He is not very good defensively.
- Pomegrant



Yep, he’s big, he takes up space and he throws the occasional highlight reel hit. Not a particularly strong skater and not terribly gifted offensively. Definitely not what I have in mind when I say we should package up our first rounder for a defender.
FLdevilsFAN
New Jersey Devils
Location: Balls Deep, AK
Joined: 07.08.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:14 PM ET
Gotta take BPA. Even if it’s a FW. This team doesn’t exactly have goal scorers and finisher.
They have a million people that can pass. So as far as I’m concerned, yes they some good D talent, but they need some talent that can put the puck in the net.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:18 PM ET
Oh, then yeah, we dont need him. ESPECIALLY not for a 2nd overall.
- Devils4ever



I just looked at capfriendly to see pending RFA defensemen. Tampa has a lot of money tied up and Vasilevskiys extension kicks in next year. Not saying they’d do it, but Sergachev comes off his ELC next season. That’s the type of player I’d be waving around a top 5 pick for.
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