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Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Dec 15 @ 7:18 AM ET
So has Bryan Rust been anointed by the shooting percentage fairies? I mean I’m suppose to believe hockey players never get any better after age 14 but Rust is looking like a complete different player. He’s calm and precise with the puck.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 15 @ 7:43 AM ET
So has Bryan Rust been anointed by the shooting percentage fairies? I mean I’m suppose to believe hockey players never get any better after age 14 but Rust is looking like a complete different player. He’s calm and precise with the puck.
- Grinder47


He's confident and where I really see it is how he's carrying the puck....but that shooting % is not sustainable.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Dec 15 @ 9:08 AM ET
So has Bryan Rust been anointed by the shooting percentage fairies? I mean I’m suppose to believe hockey players never get any better after age 14 but Rust is looking like a complete different player. He’s calm and precise with the puck.
- Grinder47


His role has completely changed his role to primarily score, not setting anyone elese up. he is looking to score and putting himself in excellent position for opportunities to do so. He is in the zone mentally to do that. It's amazing to watch him transform.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Dec 15 @ 9:18 AM ET
His role has completely changed his role to primarily score, not setting anyone elese up. he is looking to score and putting himself in excellent position for opportunities to do so. He is in the zone mentally to do that. It's amazing to watch him transform.
- powerhouse

With Phil gone it really opened up a spot and he's taken the bull by the horns
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Dec 15 @ 11:35 AM ET
So has Bryan Rust been anointed by the shooting percentage fairies? I mean I’m suppose to believe hockey players never get any better after age 14 but Rust is looking like a complete different player. He’s calm and precise with the puck.
- Grinder47

Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 15 @ 12:31 PM ET
So has Bryan Rust been anointed by the shooting percentage fairies? I mean I’m suppose to believe hockey players never get any better after age 14 but Rust is looking like a complete different player. He’s calm and precise with the puck.
- Grinder47



I think most would agree when you are shooting into the teens %wise thats quite high and extremely rare to maintain. Last I saw he was over 17%, thats kinda nuts.

Obviously, trade him and a pick for Hall. Buy low sell high
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Dec 15 @ 5:18 PM ET
I hope you guys can still sleep with the Hall clock ticking so loudly...

As a summary of EK's rumors eh informations of the last 3 days, there are basically 31 teams involved currently.

Wow, and as i have just seen Toffoli being the most added player on Yahoo fantasy today, i was already sure he got traded to us... but seems still not.
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Dec 15 @ 8:37 PM ET
In a free (this next week starting...) head-to-head Yahoo fantasy league i commission(er) myself i have a nicely -sadly by a troll- drafted team (even with Sid on IR), which i would love to hand over to someone experienced (or even for making first experiences...) of this forum... please drop me a PM and i will send you the list of players.
cranktheradio
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Greensburg, PA
Joined: 07.02.2011

Dec 16 @ 5:01 AM ET
He's confident and where I really see it is how he's carrying the puck....but that shooting % is not sustainable.
- MattStrat

It's not sustainable. But, honestly, he's not getting the "lucky" type of goals that you usually see when a guy has that much of a shooting percentage jump. He's putting the puck exactly where it needs to be consistently. So, the drop might not be as significant as many others we've seen go on "hot streaks". Like, he may just be developing into a goal scorer as he comes into his own.
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Dec 16 @ 8:36 AM ET
I think most would agree when you are shooting into the teens %wise thats quite high and extremely rare to maintain. Last I saw he was over 17%, thats kinda nuts.

Obviously, trade him and a pick for Hall. Buy low sell high

- Guile


Guentzel is shooting at 16%. These kind of things happen when you put a guy who can shoot with Sid and Geno.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 16 @ 8:53 AM ET
It's not sustainable. But, honestly, he's not getting the "lucky" type of goals that you usually see when a guy has that much of a shooting percentage jump. He's putting the puck exactly where it needs to be consistently. So, the drop might not be as significant as many others we've seen go on "hot streaks". Like, he may just be developing into a goal scorer as he comes into his own.
- cranktheradio



Very possible indeed. I remember last season when he went months without a goal it wasnt because he wasnt doing the right things or getting great chances....it just wouldnt go in.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM ET
Guentzel is shooting at 16%. These kind of things happen when you put a guy who can shoot with Sid and Geno.
- Thunderbolt


Guentzel’s career average is 16%, Rust’s is like 11% (which is still pretty damn good). I would expect it to come down a little bit. Probably back down to 12-13%, maybe not this year but probably next year.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM ET
Very possible indeed. I remember last season when he went months without a goal it wasnt because he wasnt doing the right things or getting great chances....it just wouldnt go in.
- MattStrat


Puck luck is a hell of a drug.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 16 @ 9:28 AM ET
Guentzel is shooting at 16%. These kind of things happen when you put a guy who can shoot with Sid and Geno.
- Thunderbolt

Rust always gets most of his time next to Sid or Geno though, so he's had these types of opportunities. It could just be a career year that most middle six forwards get when they look like they figured things out later. Hopefully not, but I'm always cautious on these breakouts. I'm just glad it's not a contract year.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Dec 16 @ 9:40 AM ET
I have been very against giving Murray a big, long term deal, but anyone suggesting trading him at this point is nuts.

Sign Murray to an unprotected deal for 3 year at $4.5 and give Jarry 2.5 for 2. One of them will be gone with the expansion draft.

Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 16 @ 9:51 AM ET
I have been very against giving Murray a big, long term deal, but anyone suggesting trading him at this point is nuts.

Sign Murray to an unprotected deal for 3 year at $4.5 and give Jarry 2.5 for 2. One of them will be gone with the expansion draft.

- MacPatty

Murray will be one season away from unrestricted free agency, he's unlikely to sign a short-term deal for a minimum raise without testing the market.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Dec 16 @ 10:02 AM ET
I have been very against giving Murray a big, long term deal, but anyone suggesting trading him at this point is nuts.

Sign Murray to an unprotected deal for 3 year at $4.5 and give Jarry 2.5 for 2. One of them will be gone with the expansion draft.

- MacPatty


Yeah he's not gonna do that. Dude has 2 cups, time to cash in. He's not taking a cut just to stay here.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Dec 16 @ 10:28 AM ET
Murray will be one season away from unrestricted free agency, he's unlikely to sign a short-term deal for a minimum raise without testing the market.
- Tojo.

Exactly, but do you think other teams would be weary of giving him that raise especially since they would have to give the compensation picks? Or another team could make a trade with us. Either way he won't go low.
Willaged
Joined: 05.14.2014

Dec 16 @ 10:35 AM ET
Yeah he's not gonna do that. Dude has 2 cups, time to cash in. He's not taking a cut just to stay here.
- sammy87



I agree. However if Jarry and deSmith (In the AHL) stay hot, and GMJR doesnt trade either he has a ton of leverage in the summer with Murray. Murray being RFA and GMJR having solid "back up" options it can be a "Hey, here's a 4.5-5M deal, take it our sit out, I have guys who can play beyond you" .. if he doesnt take it- you explore a trade- if no one bites with a good offer based on knowing what his contract demands are it furthers GMJR's stance on the offer.

The downside of that strategy is possibly hurting the relationship between the organization and Murray, and you basically guarantee he's only signing a short 1-2 year deal. But hey, it buys you time to figure out who you are keeping long term, Jarry or Murray.

As far as I see it RFA status, combined with 2 other capable options in the organization, balls in GMJR's court if he has the stones. Murray's been great for this team, big reason behind a couple cups, and cup winning goalies get paid... but the last thing we want is Cam Ward 2.0 . Buy your time and make sure.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 16 @ 10:44 AM ET
Exactly, but do you think other teams would be weary of giving him that raise especially since they would have to give the compensation picks? Or another team could make a trade with us. Either way he won't go low.
- 668710

I'm not expecting a great return if they trade him, there are going to be a lot of goalies available.

If your point is he might not get the contract he expected, I could see that, but I think he'd at least test the market and not sign a short term extention a year away. That would be a good year to be a UFA since it's right after expansion instead of a year before.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Dec 16 @ 10:45 AM ET
I agree. However if Jarry and deSmith (In the AHL) stay hot, and GMJR doesnt trade either he has a ton of leverage in the summer with Murray. Murray being RFA and GMJR having solid "back up" options it can be a "Hey, here's a 4.5-5M deal, take it our sit out, I have guys who can play beyond you" .. if he doesnt take it- you explore a trade- if no one bites with a good offer based on knowing what his contract demands are it furthers GMJR's stance on the offer.

The downside of that strategy is possibly hurting the relationship between the organization and Murray, and you basically guarantee he's only signing a short 1-2 year deal. But hey, it buys you time to figure out who you are keeping long term, Jarry or Murray.

As far as I see it RFA status, combined with 2 other capable options in the organization, balls in GMJR's court if he has the stones. Murray's been great for this team, big reason behind a couple cups, and cup winning goalies get paid... but the last thing we want is Cam Ward 2.0 . Buy your time and make sure.

- Willaged


Murray will go to arbitration then and hit UFA sooner.
Willaged
Joined: 05.14.2014

Dec 16 @ 10:48 AM ET
Murray will go to arbitration then and hit UFA sooner.
- j.boyd919



Id still rather that than an 8x8M deal that turns into a disaster.... based on this years numbers an arbitrator is not giving him more than 6... (I'd hope)...
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Dec 16 @ 10:52 AM ET
Murray will go to arbitration then and hit UFA sooner.
- j.boyd919

That's right I forgot about that.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Dec 16 @ 10:54 AM ET
Does the expansion draft factor into MM?
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 16 @ 11:13 AM ET
Does the expansion draft factor into MM?
- sammy87

The underlying argument is really that some people think Murray will get Hall now and will have no trade value later.

So long as they don't give anyone a NTC, they're not locked into either goalie before expansion.
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