Michael Stuart: Senators Beat the Best

This means Ottawa is better than the Bruins who are touted as Stanley Cup favorites.




Gotta love the parity in hockey...

This means Ottawa is better than the Bruins who are touted as Stanley Cup favorites.




Gotta love the parity in hockey...
- TheCalSen

I've done the calculations and can verify this statement as accurate.

Nice to see Duclair get a chance to prove himself. He's looking good so far, thinking he was stuck in roles that didnt fit his skillset on other teams, most likely because he was behind players on the depth chart. Proving people wrong now.

Good to see duke is still producing after being away from Brady. And getting Tierney off the shnide to boot.

Seems like he has the right atitude to go along with his dazzling on ice play. Keeps repeating in post game intervie that he appreciates the opportunity hes given here and is taking nothing for granted and wants to keep improving.

Seems to me like a guy you want around in a rebuild.

I've done the calculations and can verify this statement as accurate.
- Michael_Stuart

In all seriousness, I would keep Duclair but trade Pageau + Anderson. Of course if the return isn't as good (at least a 1st for Pageau and 2nd for Anderson) I would keep them just for the leadership, work ethic, and contribution towards the rebuild alone.
Thoughts?

(IF the Sens did get a 1st and 2nd, that would mean 3 1st rounders and 4 2nd rounders in what is being called one of the best drafts ever)

In all seriousness, I would keep Duclair but trade Pageau + Anderson. Of course if the return isn't as good (at least a 1st for Pageau and 2nd for Anderson) I would keep them just for the leadership, work ethic, and contribution towards the rebuild alone.
Thoughts?

(IF the Sens did get a 1st and 2nd, that would mean 3 1st rounders and 4 2nd rounders in what is being called one of the best drafts ever)
- AlfieisKing

come on man.......NOBODY is paying a 2nd rd pick for a 39 year old goalie, who makes nearly 5 mil, and who's numbers have been atrocious for 3 straight years.

I'd be stoked with like a 5th or 6th rd pick for him, and even that's pushing it.

I'm gonna be the realist here.

It was a decent game by Ottawa. And a HORRENDOUS game by the Bruins.
They looked, flat and uninterested in the outcome of this game. Their goalie also noticed it wasn't their night and gave up on the game as well.

bouncy pucks, broken sticks.....

I'm gonna be the realist here.

It was a decent game by Ottawa. And a HORRENDOUS game by the Bruins.
They looked, flat and uninterested in the outcome of this game. Their goalie also noticed it wasn't their night and gave up on the game as well.

bouncy pucks, broken sticks.....
- Octavarium

come on man.....I'm a realist too, and I'm all aboard team tank....but Ottawa was CLEARLY the better team in that game for about 50 mins. the Bruins turned it on hard in the second half of the 3rd, but that's largely attributable to score effect.

do I think that Ottawa is a better team than Boston....obviously not.....but they were the better team last night.

What's the general feeling on Tierny?

I like him as a player, and he's young enough to be part of the rebuild, but I feel that his spot on the team could be better utlized by someone in Belleville if their development goes as planned.

He's also an RFA on an expiring contract, so he could be of use to a team at the deadline.

come on man.......NOBODY is paying a 2nd rd pick for a 39 year old goalie, who makes nearly 5 mil, and who's numbers have been atrocious for 3 straight years.

I'd be stoked with like a 5th or 6th rd pick for him, and even that's pushing it.
- sensarmy_11

I agree that Andy's numbers aren't good but I think the eye test is much better than numbers in this case. Keep in mind, when this team is not a bottom feeder with inexperienced and starless D-men, Andy's numbers are vastly different

Logan Brown's play seems to be sliding.

I agree that Andy's numbers aren't good but I think the eye test is much better than numbers in this case. Keep in mind, when this team is not a bottom feeder with inexperienced and starless D-men, Andy's numbers are vastly different
- AlfieisKing

No offense to Andy, he's been great here, but he's been a BIG part of why Ottawa has been a bottom feeder the last couple of years.

this team has had a lot of "star power" the last few years (karlsson, Duchene, stone, Hoffman, etc) and still been a bottom feeder due to getting some of the worst goaltending in the entire league.

hate to burst your bubble, but nobody is taking Andy..............like I said, maybe if Ottawa eats half the cap we get like a 6th rounder for him.....maybe

What's the general feeling on Tierny?

I like him as a player, and he's young enough to be part of the rebuild, but I feel that his spot on the team could be better utlized by someone in Belleville if their development goes as planned.

He's also an RFA on an expiring contract, so he could be of use to a team at the deadline.
- david22

I think they'll trade him. You have to think that White, Brown, and maybe Norris are all in the NHL next year......also have Chlapik and Anisimov who are probable to be on the NHL roster.

if they re-sign Pageau ( I hope they dont' ) then Tierney is for sure gone, if they move Pageau, maybe there's a change you keep Tierney as a 3rd or 4th line guy....assuming the money is right

What's the general feeling on Tierny?

I like him as a player, and he's young enough to be part of the rebuild, but I feel that his spot on the team could be better utlized by someone in Belleville if their development goes as planned.

He's also an RFA on an expiring contract, so he could be of use to a team at the deadline.
- david22

I think you guys will find Joshua Norris taking his job away from him in a few years.

If you look in the East at recent rebuilds you can get some strong models for what works and what does not.

Love the Islanders and how they have slowly brought along great young talent while at the same time keeping a strong balance of character and veterans in their line up.

On the other hand, the Leaf fiasco is contending to be the worst possible kind of rebuild model. It lacked patience and failed to understand the need for balance including speed, skill, character and grit. The Panerin signing by the Rangers is nearly as bad as the long term nightmare of the Tavares signing by the Leafs. You need to allow kids to grow into leadership.

I would love for the Sens to have another 1st round pick. However, the price is far too high (in terms of development influences) if they were to trade Pageau. We do not want to rush what appears to already be paying a generous entertainment dividend.

@spatso, I think Tavares isn't a leader you build around. That being said, giving the rich deals to Matthews and Marner is what's sinking the leaf. Nylander is full value for his deal this season. The other two, NO.

Could have had better D and supporting cast with some extra money. 4 million of extra money...

If you look in the East at recent rebuilds you can get some strong models for what works and what does not.

Love the Islanders and how they have slowly brought along great young talent while at the same time keeping a strong balance of character and veterans in their line up.

On the other hand, the Leaf fiasco is contending to be the worst possible kind of rebuild model. It lacked patience and failed to understand the need for balance including speed, skill, character and grit. The Panerin signing by the Rangers is nearly as bad as the long term nightmare of the Tavares signing by the Leafs. You need to allow kids to grow into leadership.

I would love for the Sens to have another 1st round pick. However, the price is far too high (in terms of development influences) if they were to trade Pageau. We do not want to rush what appears to already be paying a generous entertainment dividend.
- spatso

I want to see the San Jose first be the lottery winner first overall pick. The Sens own pick be the 2nd overall winner. See them pick 1, 2...

@spatso, I think Tavares isn't a leader you build around. That being said, giving the rich deals to Matthews and Marner is what's sinking the leaf. Nylander is full value for his deal this season. The other two, NO.

Could have had better D and supporting cast with some extra money. 4 million of extra money...
- kaptaan

Yes I think that might be a better way of saying it. Tavares is not a leader. But he has displaced the young guys who could have grown into the role.

5 teams that I strongly believe would give a 1st for Pageau

1. Buffalo Sabres: only team worse on the PK are the Red Wings (ouch)

2. Winnipeg Jets: not much better with only 4 teams with a worse PK. Jets have a history of trading for pending UFA centers at the deadline

3. Toronto Maple Leafs: 6 teams with a worse PK; 5 with more GA. His past teammates in Spezza and Ceci would praise him all day to Dubas

4. Montreal Canadiens: 28th PK, 28th GAA, and a hab killer in the past, they know what this french Canadian two-way center would bring. Easily could help push them over the edge of getting into the playoffs, possibly a big playoff upset

5. Tampa Bay Lighting: They could use the two-way fire BIG time right now. They seem to have forgotten what team defense looks like. But a big tie in could be Benoit Groulx; who is the current head coach of the farm team in upstate new york. He knows Pageau very well, having coached the start for Gatineau in the Q.

Good to see duke is still producing after being away from Brady. And getting Tierney off the shnide to boot.

Seems like he has the right atitude to go along with his dazzling on ice play. Keeps repeating in post game intervie that he appreciates the opportunity hes given here and is taking nothing for granted and wants to keep improving.

Seems to me like a guy you want around in a rebuild.
- Torontosensfan

come on man.....I'm a realist too, and I'm all aboard team tank....but Ottawa was CLEARLY the better team in that game for about 50 mins. the Bruins turned it on hard in the second half of the 3rd, but that's largely attributable to score effect.

do I think that Ottawa is a better team than Boston....obviously not.....but they were the better team last night.
- sensarmy_11

Agree with this.

I want to see the San Jose first be the lottery winner first overall pick. The Sens own pick be the 2nd overall winner. See them pick 1, 2...
- kaptaan

If Sens get two ten picks it would be good. If they got a top 5 and a top 10 it would be great. Two top 5's spectacular. The first and second pick would be orgasmic.

I think we are only two weeks away from San Jose trying to reload for a desperate attempt to make the playoffs or they will throw in the towel and begin their rebuild. They have some nice pieces and it will be tempting for them to try and pick up draft picks for the coming draft.

The other team I see as falling into the collapse and free fall pattern is Nashville. They are struggling badly in some games and are close to joining the ranks of free fall.

I have no idea if the Leafs are going to collapse. But they are very close to a complete pancake. They have no character and there is very little team unity. If the Leafs fall, it will significantly disrupt our expectations around the draft lottery as teams scramble to deal with some good young talent available at the trade deadline.

Trading to Leafs or Canadiens or Sharks would be a big blunder at this point and time for the Sens...unless they were wellll overpaying.

Personally i believe sharks are going to turn it up a notch and make the playoffs.not counting on a top 10 pick from them...would be nice though.

Trading to Leafs or Canadiens or Sharks would be a big blunder at this point and time for the Sens...unless they were wellll overpaying.

Personally i believe sharks are going to turn it up a notch and make the playoffs.not counting on a top 10 pick from them...would be nice though.
- spazzbot

Not suggesting that Sens trade with any of those teams. But, if those teams trade away a few good pieces (especially San Jose) they will quickly become bottom feeders.