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Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 6 @ 7:51 AM ET
Guest Writer: Stars Start and Finish Strong but The Jets Earn a Point
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Dec 6 @ 8:30 AM ET
Good effort to pour it on in the the third and earn a point, but the officiating was so so awful.
islansjet
Joined: 03.13.2017

Dec 6 @ 11:05 AM ET
There is no quit on this team.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Dec 6 @ 4:50 PM ET
Thus far the Jets have over-achieved, which is a credit to all the players - and management. Good for them.

With two scoring lines: Connor-Scheifele-Laine and Ehlers-Wheeler-Roslovic, plus a defense which has surprised and a goalie in Helle who's having a Vezina type season, suddenly things look a lot rosier.

The guys are playing with more desperation this year as well.

Still think the Jets could use a "Grade A" d-man but the ones there now have done a great job. Sbisa has been a real find off the waiver wire. Pionk has been the biggest surprise of all on the back end!

Hopefully they can settle this Buff thing asap! Move on from him!

Luoto is probably going down but think he mat still have a future with the team. Gustafsson looks like a "next year" player. Little will have to be 3rd/4th line upon return, Wheeler's move to C was the TSN turning point to season.

But credit the Jets, believe they have done better than most of us expected.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Dec 6 @ 4:54 PM ET
I do not see how Gustaffson who is playing 6:09 average is developing. That is exactly how minutes per game Petan was getting. Looking deeper into his advanced stats, he has an impressive 30.1 Corsi.

I honestly believe that he would benefit from being in the AHL. Also, I think its time Harkins got a look on the big club. Lowry needs to be demoted to the 4th line with Shore and a called up Chibisov. Harkins with Copp and Perreault could potentially form an impressive third line that can actually score, picture that!
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Dec 6 @ 4:55 PM ET
Thus far the Jets have over-achieved, which is a credit to all the players - and management. Good for them.

With two scoring lines: Connor-Scheifele-Laine and Ehlers-Wheeler-Roslovic, plus a defense which has surprised and a goalie in Helle who's having a Vezina type season, suddenly things look a lot rosier.

The guys are playing with more desperation this year as well.

Still think the Jets could use a "Grade A" d-man but the ones there now have done a great job. Sbisa has been a real find off the waiver wire. Pionk has been the biggest surprise of all on the back end!

Hopefully they can settle this Buff thing asap! Move on from him!

Luoto is probably going down but think he mat still have a future with the team. Gustafsson looks like a "next year" player. Little will have to be 3rd/4th line upon return, Wheeler's move to C was the TSN turning point to season.

But credit the Jets, believe they have done better than most of us expected.

- grahamzky


Little ain't coming back! I think he may be on LTIR for the rest of his career.
FlamesFan1230
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2006

Dec 6 @ 7:17 PM ET
What happened to the blogger Tessier??????
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Dec 6 @ 8:28 PM ET
Thus far the Jets have over-achieved, which is a credit to all the players - and management. Good for them.

With two scoring lines: Connor-Scheifele-Laine and Ehlers-Wheeler-Roslovic, plus a defense which has surprised and a goalie in Helle who's having a Vezina type season, suddenly things look a lot rosier.

The guys are playing with more desperation this year as well.

Still think the Jets could use a "Grade A" d-man but the ones there now have done a great job. Sbisa has been a real find off the waiver wire. Pionk has been the biggest surprise of all on the back end!

Hopefully they can settle this Buff thing asap! Move on from him!

Luoto is probably going down but think he mat still have a future with the team. Gustafsson looks like a "next year" player. Little will have to be 3rd/4th line upon return, Wheeler's move to C was the TSN turning point to season.

But credit the Jets, believe they have done better than most of us expected.

- grahamzky


Agree grahamzky.
As long as Hellebuyck is the number 1 goalie in the NHL the Jets should have nothing to worry about.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Dec 6 @ 11:32 PM ET
I do not see how Gustaffson who is playing 6:09 average is developing. That is exactly how minutes per game Petan was getting. Looking deeper into his advanced stats, he has an impressive 30.1 Corsi.

I honestly believe that he would benefit from being in the AHL. Also, I think its time Harkins got a look on the big club. Lowry needs to be demoted to the 4th line with Shore and a called up Chibisov. Harkins with Copp and Perreault could potentially form an impressive third line that can actually score, picture that!

- TheUltimateJet


Gustafsson is not eligible to go to the AHL - that's what I've heard/read. So Sweden it is.

Do you not honestly not get what Lowry brings to the Jets - size, leadership, intensity and team toughness. The Jets would be lost without him, trust me! Who do they turn to when the going gets tough - Adam Lowry!

Harkins- not a 1st/2nd NHL'er - not as top two line player. Another Petan - great AHL'er! They have bigger/tougher players for 3rd/4th line. Why do you think they brought Shore in?
FlamesFan1230
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2006

Dec 7 @ 12:12 AM ET
Can someone answer my (frank)ing question..... What happened to the blogger Tessier?????????
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Dec 7 @ 10:04 AM ET
Can someone answer my (frank)ing question..... What happened to the blogger Tessier?????????
- FlamesFan1230

He left for greener pastures
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Dec 7 @ 10:20 AM ET
Gustafsson is not eligible to go to the AHL - that's what I've heard/read. So Sweden it is.

Do you not honestly not get what Lowry brings to the Jets - size, leadership, intensity and team toughness. The Jets would be lost without him, trust me! Who do they turn to when the going gets tough - Adam Lowry!

Harkins- not a 1st/2nd NHL'er - not as top two line player. Another Petan - great AHL'er! They have bigger/tougher players for 3rd/4th line. Why do you think they brought Shore in?

- grahamzky

Nik Shore can do exactly what Lowry does and guess what we just found him of waivers.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Dec 7 @ 12:19 PM ET
My first time commenting on this site, it's amazing how completely overrated Lowry is and always has been! The 3rd period of the Dallas game he had multiple shots from point blank range and he couldn't even get his shot through, it's mind boggling how such a big body NHL player has such a weak shot! If he had any kind of offensive touch he probably scores and that 3rd period isn't such a nail biter but he doesn't cause he's got AHL offensive talent at best. This idea that he's so important is massively overblown and the stupid local media constantly pumping his tires is aggravating, he plays a big man's 4th line game and yes he's a somewhat important part of the team but he could be doing what he does with 8-10 minutes a night on the 4th line rather then sinking any offense the 3rd line might generate, Andrew Copp would make a much better 3C then Lowry and that line might actually score a bit if he was 3C and there'd be no defensive dropoff. Copp must be pissed he's getting stuck trying to carry Lowry again!. Even waiver wire pickup Nick Shore produces better than Lowry, he has one less point in 6 less games then Lowry.. Lol.. It's ridiculous that of all the discussions around the Jets the complete lack of offense from Lowry and his line is almost never brought up, it'd be unacceptable almost anywhere else but not here for some reason.

Until this team starts getting some production from that 3rd line it's gonna have to rely on the top two lines and the inconsistent PP to generate some offense but that isn't gonna work in the long run, the best teams get secondary scoring, Maurice and Chevy really need to figure it out that Lowry is what he's ALWAYS been, a good 4th line player that can kill penalties, period.

The Ultimate Jet is right about Lowry, he needs to be demoted to the 4th line and left there.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Dec 7 @ 1:21 PM ET
Little ain't coming back! I think he may be on LTIR for the rest of his career.
- TheUltimateJet


Yea hard to say about Little.

I agree with you, there is a good possibility he may be LTIR for the rest of his career. But he's a tough sucker - just hope he makes the right decision and not risk further damage to his well-being.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Dec 7 @ 1:57 PM ET
My first time commenting on this site, it's amazing how completely overrated Lowry is and always has been! The 3rd period of the Dallas game he had multiple shots from point blank range and he couldn't even get his shot through, it's mind boggling how such a big body NHL player has such a weak shot! If he had any kind of offensive touch he probably scores and that 3rd period isn't such a nail biter but he doesn't cause he's got AHL offensive talent at best. This idea that he's so important is massively overblown and the stupid local media constantly pumping his tires is aggravating, he plays a big man's 4th line game and yes he's a somewhat important part of the team but he could be doing what he does with 8-10 minutes a night on the 4th line rather then sinking any offense the 3rd line might generate, Andrew Copp would make a much better 3C then Lowry and that line might actually score a bit if he was 3C and there'd be no defensive dropoff. Copp must be pissed he's getting stuck trying to carry Lowry again!. Even waiver wire pickup Nick Shore produces better than Lowry, he has one less point in 6 less games then Lowry.. Lol.. It's ridiculous that of all the discussions around the Jets the complete lack of offense from Lowry and his line is almost never brought up, it'd be unacceptable almost anywhere else but not here for some reason.

Until this team starts getting some production from that 3rd line it's gonna have to rely on the top two lines and the inconsistent PP to generate some offense but that isn't gonna work in the long run, the best teams get secondary scoring, Maurice and Chevy really need to figure it out that Lowry is what he's ALWAYS been, a good 4th line player that can kill penalties, period.

The Ultimate Jet is right about Lowry, he needs to be demoted to the 4th line and left there.

- JetFuel


Glad to see another poster but have to disagree.
Lowry makes under 3 million, how is that over rated?
Lowry, Copp and Shore all have limited offensive skill and none of them are 40 point guys.
So I just don’t understand how people can call him over rated? He is paid to do exactly what he does. He is bottom 6 player exactly like Copp and Shore. I think this is just an example of some on here wanting the new toy over the old one.
Copp and Shore won’t stick up for teammates like Lowry and may not be as good at face offs but I haven’t checked
justsaying
Joined: 06.26.2014

Dec 7 @ 5:27 PM ET
I like Lowry and see his value greater in the playoffs should the Jets make it this year. He is a big body that can be intimidating in the playoffs and force turnovers allowing more skilled line mates scoring opportunities. He doesn't cost much and is a team player. I don't see Copp as being much better offensively. He just doesn't strike me as a scoring threat either.

bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Dec 7 @ 6:36 PM ET
Copp and Lowry both have hands of stone, but they bring a lot of other good qualities and skills to this team.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Dec 7 @ 10:08 PM ET
Glad to see another poster but have to disagree.
Lowry makes under 3 million, how is that over rated?
Lowry, Copp and Shore all have limited offensive skill and none of them are 40 point guys.
So I just don’t understand how people can call him over rated? He is paid to do exactly what he does. He is bottom 6 player exactly like Copp and Shore. I think this is just an example of some on here wanting the new toy over the old one.
Copp and Shore won’t stick up for teammates like Lowry and may not be as good at face offs but I haven’t checked

- Ross77


Yea, don't even waste your time replying to such a ridiculous post.
Some guys don't get it
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Dec 7 @ 11:06 PM ET
Copp and Lowry both have hands of stone, but they bring a lot of other good qualities and skills to this team.
- bennythehat

And that's why they are 4th liners on Stanley Cup teams and 3rd liners on pretenders.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Dec 7 @ 11:07 PM ET
My first time commenting on this site, it's amazing how completely overrated Lowry is and always has been! The 3rd period of the Dallas game he had multiple shots from point blank range and he couldn't even get his shot through, it's mind boggling how such a big body NHL player has such a weak shot! If he had any kind of offensive touch he probably scores and that 3rd period isn't such a nail biter but he doesn't cause he's got AHL offensive talent at best. This idea that he's so important is massively overblown and the stupid local media constantly pumping his tires is aggravating, he plays a big man's 4th line game and yes he's a somewhat important part of the team but he could be doing what he does with 8-10 minutes a night on the 4th line rather then sinking any offense the 3rd line might generate, Andrew Copp would make a much better 3C then Lowry and that line might actually score a bit if he was 3C and there'd be no defensive dropoff. Copp must be pissed he's getting stuck trying to carry Lowry again!. Even waiver wire pickup Nick Shore produces better than Lowry, he has one less point in 6 less games then Lowry.. Lol.. It's ridiculous that of all the discussions around the Jets the complete lack of offense from Lowry and his line is almost never brought up, it'd be unacceptable almost anywhere else but not here for some reason.

Until this team starts getting some production from that 3rd line it's gonna have to rely on the top two lines and the inconsistent PP to generate some offense but that isn't gonna work in the long run, the best teams get secondary scoring, Maurice and Chevy really need to figure it out that Lowry is what he's ALWAYS been, a good 4th line player that can kill penalties, period.

The Ultimate Jet is right about Lowry, he needs to be demoted to the 4th line and left there.

- JetFuel


Could not have said it better myself. And for all the comments about needing guys to show grit, intensity and all that other jazz. Many guys on the waiver wire fit that criteria as did the legendary Matt Hendricks.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Dec 7 @ 11:08 PM ET
I like Lowry and see his value greater in the playoffs should the Jets make it this year. He is a big body that can be intimidating in the playoffs and force turnovers allowing more skilled line mates scoring opportunities. He doesn't cost much and is a team player. I don't see Copp as being much better offensively. He just doesn't strike me as a scoring threat either.
- justsaying

Remind me, how many playoff goals has he scored in the 5 playoff series he's played in.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Dec 7 @ 11:52 PM ET
A good 3C will get at least 30 points, actually 30 points a season is the standard for a 3rd line center, Lowry is on pace for 12, yup some just don't get it.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Dec 8 @ 12:02 AM ET
Glad to see another poster but have to disagree.
Lowry makes under 3 million, how is that over rated?
Lowry, Copp and Shore all have limited offensive skill and none of them are 40 point guys.
So I just don’t understand how people can call him over rated? He is paid to do exactly what he does. He is bottom 6 player exactly like Copp and Shore. I think this is just an example of some on here wanting the new toy over the old one.
Copp and Shore won’t stick up for teammates like Lowry and may not be as good at face offs but I haven’t checked

- Ross77


His salary has nothing to do with him being overrated, his lack of skill and his ability to sink any offense of the bottom 6 and the constant talk about him from the local media about his importance is what makes him overrated. Also his analytics numbers are great apparently but the guy can barely score or set his linemates up, if a 3C can't get 30 points you've got problems.
But if you want to look at his salary its pretty close to what Pageau and Danault make, look at what those guys produce and then look at Lowry's 12 point pace for this season, yup he's overrated and overpaid too!
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Dec 8 @ 9:40 AM ET
If points are the indicator, then Lowry has a lot of company on the team for underachieving.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Dec 8 @ 10:29 AM ET
His salary has nothing to do with him being overrated, his lack of skill and his ability to sink any offense of the bottom 6 and the constant talk about him from the local media about his importance is what makes him overrated. Also his analytics numbers are great apparently but the guy can barely score or set his linemates up, if a 3C can't get 30 points you've got problems.
But if you want to look at his salary its pretty close to what Pageau and Danault make, look at what those guys produce and then look at Lowry's 12 point pace for this season, yup he's overrated and overpaid too!

- JetFuel


Pageau? Really? The guy is doing something this year he hasn’t done his entire career, nice argument.

Lowry salary has nothing to do with it? It absolutely does! And he’s paid exactly for what he does!! He plays against top lines and helps shut them down, he plays the tough minutes and hard game we lack.

Does anyone know how few teams in the league actually have a producing third line? Do you not know how many teams rely on one line!!! Avs, Boston, Oilers.....I can on and on and on, The Jets have two scoring lines, this is the norm in the league not the outlier.
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