I too thought Babcock was a good coach. Well I was wrong.
Didn't know he got that much from his team by abusing them.
Makes me wonder if that's why Marner played hardball with his contract.

The Modano and Marner thing is bad, but it sounds like what he did to Franzen was just (frank)ed up. Oh and now allegations against Crawford from when he was with a previous team.


- .HOHO.

I was also wrong about Babcock, also, maybe a few of us were wrong about Marner's dad as well, including me.

Mike Babcock is clearly a wiener, but Chelios and Franzen can both (frank) off. Chelios thought Babcock was mean years ago. He's just so upset about it. Franzen got yelled at and had his feelings hurt. Go cry you babies. So what. A million hockey players would gladly get yelled at - with or without concussion symptoms - to play for the wealth therse guys played for. Now they are just whining and piling on and its lost it's impact. Boring as (frank) listening to these babies. Babcock is an bumhole. Okay. Good to know. Anything else?
- aminnes

No, people coming forward about someone being abusive is good. You're wrong.

No, people coming forward about someone being abusive is good. You're wrong.
- Zezel

What is boring is seeing people complain about people showing strength and standing up to abuse.

What is boring is seeing people complain about people showing strength and standing up to abuse.
- burn

Yeah it's lame.

Yeah it's lame.
- Zezel

A bit sad at the same time. There are people that still defend Bill Cosby. It's lunacy.

A bit sad at the same time. There are people that still defend Bill Cosby. It's lunacy.
- winsix

Yeah it's pathetic. Some people just seem to be trained for canine obedience to power, and insist everyone should not speak up against anything. In that regard I wish they'd lead by example.

Devils to trade Hall is my guess

No, people coming forward about someone being abusive is good. You're wrong.
- Zezel

Agreed.

Hockey or any sport isnt above the law because "that's how it is."

Except for fighting. We have sanctions and regulations for boxing and MMA. You add some skates and ice and anything goes!

I was also wrong about Babcock, also, maybe a few of us were wrong about Marner's dad as well, including me.
- winsix

Not really. There's still a whole whack of evidence that he's a jackass. Including from team Alumni like Dougie and Clark.

Both he and Babcock are pieces of poop.

I too thought Babcock was a good coach. Well I was wrong.
Didn't know he got that much from his team by abusing them.
Makes me wonder if that's why Marner played hardball with his contract.

The Modano and Marner thing is bad, but it sounds like what he did to Franzen was just (frank)ed up. Oh and now allegations against Crawford from when he was with a previous team.


- .HOHO.

Well according to Franzen, hes a great coach but crappy person.

No, people coming forward about someone being abusive is good. You're wrong.
- Zezel

Well said

Ceci+ for Vatanen 50% salary retained could be a nice January trade.
- Santo_44

unless that "+" is significant, why the hell would NJ ever make that deal. Ceci is a plug who will be lucky to get an NHL contract after this year

Look on the bright side with Hutchinson, if the Leafs make the playoffs with Hutchinson getting 20+ starts this season, they're in pretty good shape because for damn sure he's not getting a single start down the stretch

Yet another former respected player bashing Babcock

https://www.google.ca/amp...bcock-terrible-person/amp
- Santo_44

Babcock seemed like a lock for the HHOF, i wonder if all this tarnishes his legacy.......it probably should

unless that "+" is significant, why the hell would NJ ever make that deal. Ceci is a plug who will be lucky to get an NHL contract after this year
- haywoodjablome

Doubt it. Plenty of worse players get chances. Marincin for one.

Also I agree it would have to be a significant + for the player and retention on contract.

So how many coaches over 45 will survive this?

unless that "+" is significant, why the hell would NJ ever make that deal. Ceci is a plug who will be lucky to get an NHL contract after this year
- haywoodjablome

We were just discussing yesterday in terms of how Ceci really isn't the biggest problem on defense this year, at least from an eye test perspective. Could be a serviceable bottom 3 guy for someone

Ray Ferraro thinks so.


Who gonna bring in a known jackass that is going to destroy the team?


All this poop ccomng out and still some defending Babcock saying firing him was wrong.
- burn

Any team that is desperate to win, could.
In time people move on.
You mean of the hundreds of players hes coached, 4 -5 have said hes a jerk?
Clearly his ego got in the way and he was a bully, it got results at the time, but things change.

But this 2 min rage people are having that are not tied to situation in any way. Is a little much.

We were just discussing yesterday in terms of how Ceci really isn't the biggest problem on defense this year, at least from an eye test perspective. Could be a serviceable bottom 3 guy for someone
- TheMussel

I think Rielly has been a bigger problem, not saying he’s been the worst dman but just how he’s supposed to be the number 1 guy and lead this defence but he really has been playing poorly to start the year. Hopefully he picks it up though.

Babcock seemed like a lock for the HHOF, i wonder if all this tarnishes his legacy.......it probably should
- haywoodjablome

Lots of jerks in the hhof.

unless that "+" is significant, why the hell would NJ ever make that deal. Ceci is a plug who will be lucky to get an NHL contract after this year
- haywoodjablome

I’m guessing NJ will want to sell off expiring contracts....Ceci gives them a body and a guy they can possibly flip again at the TDL

Mike Babcock is clearly a wiener, but Chelios and Franzen can both (frank) off. Chelios thought Babcock was mean years ago. He's just so upset about it. Franzen got yelled at and had his feelings hurt. Go cry you babies. So what. A million hockey players would gladly get yelled at - with or without concussion symptoms - to play for the wealth therse guys played for. Now they are just whining and piling on and its lost it's impact. Boring as (frank) listening to these babies. Babcock is an bumhole. Okay. Good to know. Anything else?
- aminnes

Some people are telling on themselves

So how many coaches over 45 will survive this?
- AdamFrench

About to find out.

The winds of change are a blowing

I think Rielly has been a bigger problem, not saying he’s been the worst dman but just how he’s supposed to be the number 1 guy and lead this defence but he really has been playing poorly to start the year. Hopefully he picks it up though.
- ClarksonDavid

In Ottawa, Ceci made every partner he was paired with worse...........every single dman on that team had significantly better numbers away from Ceci.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Rielly was a Norris contender last year......then this year, gets partnered with Ceci and turns to poop.

I think Rielly has been a bigger problem, not saying he’s been the worst dman but just how he’s supposed to be the number 1 guy and lead this defence but he really has been playing poorly to start the year. Hopefully he picks it up though.
- ClarksonDavid

The two of them together has been the problem.

Bring Holl up to play with Rielly, Dermott and Barrie are good, Muzzin can manage Ceci and cover for his mistakes.