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joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Dec 2 @ 5:35 PM ET
IneffectiveMath on Twitter is the only source I know that has calculated isolated impact which is far superior to relative stats as you have noted.
- Feds91Stammer


Seen him before, never look at it in-depth until now...there is a (frank)ing dumb amount of data there...the NHL is a disgrace for not having this guy run their stats page. even more surprising since, isn't the MLB running the NHL website or like stats portion (didn't that happen like 3 years ago?) and they are all in on the advanced metrics train. Shame this guy is still a FA.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Dec 2 @ 5:37 PM ET
Seen him before, never look at it in-depth until now...there is a (frank)ing dumb amount of data there...the NHL is a disgrace for not having this guy run their stats page. even more surprising since, isn't the MLB running the NHL website or like stats portion (didn't that happen like 3 years ago?) and they are all in on the advanced metrics train. Shame this guy is still on the FA.
- joecool2931

Too many Neanderthals in the NHL offices. Micah does great work.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 2 @ 5:57 PM ET
see but i don't think "relative" takes out factors beyond their control, such as teammates, it just compares them to each other. like why does Genos gf% rel compared to rust GF% rel matter to me? and not just their abilities to score against their opponents.

Essentially, from my understanding, the equation is created by a bunch of "k-factor multipliers", which are just arbitrary number values given to different things (shots, shot distances, shot angles, chances of rebounds ie) to come up with an expected GF. . But all these k-factor values are given based on conversion rates of past data...goals. so why is this data anymore useful than just actual GF%, which is also past data.

- joecool2931

Relative is useful if you want to see if a guy is either being held back or helped by his teammates. I'll give you 2 examples of guys who switched teams.

Ferlund was decent on the Canes, but was still one of their worst guys, bad relativez, so when he went to Vancouver, his possession numbers plummeted because he didn't have the team to prop him up.

On the flip side, Shattenkirk's poor numbers in NY were often sited, yet his relatives said he was the best defenseman on his team. He goes to Tampa and boom, career resurgence.

Relatives help show who is driving the line/pair. It's not perfect at weeding out teammate effects, no stats are. I do find it more useful when trying to predicting how guys will do in a new situation.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 2 @ 6:05 PM ET
Crosby is 16th on the team behind Simon, AJohnson, JJ, Dumo, ZAR and Trotman. If you are looking for logic, I suggest you look elsewhere.
- Thunderbolt

Sid's defensive metrics are really down this year. He's tied with Guentzel for 3rd in xGF, but other than Ruhwedel he's worst defensively. The Guentzel-Sid-Simon line actually was bleeding chances while also creating them rather than dominate, but the other 2 have had some time to improve.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 6:08 PM ET
Sid's defensive metrics are really down this year. He's tied with Guentzel for 3rd in xGF, but other than Ruhwedel he's worst defensively. The Guentzel-Sid-Simon line actually was bleeding chances while also creating them rather than dominate, but the other 2 have had some time to improve.
- Tojo.


There’s was a good couple weeks where every single goal was against sids line. Even the games we won.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 2 @ 7:04 PM ET
I'm not trying to be "the sky is falling" or wanting a trade just for the sake of it, but I don't see how they realistically believe they can remain in the with this lineup. IMO at the very least they need to pull the trigger on a deal for an LD in the meantime.

madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Dec 2 @ 7:49 PM ET
I'm not trying to be "the sky is falling" or wanting a trade just for the sake of it, but I don't see how they realistically believe they can remain in the with this lineup. IMO at the very least they need to pull the trigger on a deal for an LD in the meantime.
- Rinosaur


If Rust and Schultz are "day to day" and "close" they can get through it. Definitely need better tending though.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Dec 2 @ 7:50 PM ET
I'm not trying to be "the sky is falling" or wanting a trade just for the sake of it, but I don't see how they realistically believe they can remain in the with this lineup. IMO at the very least they need to pull the trigger on a deal for an LD in the meantime.
- Rinosaur

Pens could use a LD regardless of the injuries, so yea the time would be now if possible
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Dec 2 @ 8:12 PM ET
If Rust and Schultz are "day to day" and "close"
- madmike71


, in Pens language sadly those "" hold more information than what is inbetween.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Dec 2 @ 8:34 PM ET
If Rust and Schultz are "day to day" and "close" they can get through it. Definitely need better tending though.
- madmike71

Ehhh...Schultz sucks and it's only a matter of time before he is injured again. We still need a LD unless you think JJ at 2LD and an AHLer at 3LD is sufficient (not to mention Petts, who has been disappointing this year, as the 1LD). I also don't think Rust is enough of a game-changer to keep the Pens afloat.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Dec 2 @ 8:44 PM ET
I'm not trying to be "the sky is falling" or wanting a trade just for the sake of it, but I don't see how they realistically believe they can remain in the with this lineup. IMO at the very least they need to pull the trigger on a deal for an LD in the meantime.
- Rinosaur

I agree. Even before the Dumo injury they should have been targeting an LD to make JJ expendable and have some depth other than Riikola. Petts having an off year only accentuates the need.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Dec 3 @ 4:25 AM ET
In ex-Pen news, Rowney with 1G 1A, Derek Grant with 2G, and Guds with 22:30 and a +1 in beating LA 4-2.
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Dec 3 @ 5:39 AM ET
In ex-Pen news, Rowney with 1G 1A, Derek Grant with 2G, and Guds with 22:30 and a +1 in beating LA 4-2.
- Hockey66


Are you in some(!) way related to Mr. Grinder?

Would you have given Rowney the contract he got in ANA?
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Dec 3 @ 6:04 AM ET
Are you in some(!) way related to Mr. Grinder?

Would you have given Rowney the contract he got in ANA?

- VeryModernMan

Nah, I just look at other boxscores here and there to see how ex-Pens are doing. I thought it notable that these three bit players had such big contributions in a single game.

Unlike many others, I don't get wistful about most ex-Pens. I love Fleury and miss him. I liked Bonino and Cole but whatever. That's about it. I'm glad guys like Sheary and Kessel are no longer on the team.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Dec 3 @ 7:29 AM ET
Simon for Gudvranson. 50 percent salary retained from The ducks, but they get a POSESSION MONSTER STAR!
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Dec 3 @ 7:31 AM ET
Are you in some(!) way related to Mr. Grinder?

Would you have given Rowney the contract he got in ANA?

- VeryModernMan

I wouldn’t have givenRowney that contract. I also wouldn’t say he performed badly during his time with the pens. He played like a man on a boyish team.
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

Dec 3 @ 7:46 AM ET
It happened, where's everyone who told me it couldn't!

He was easily WBS's best player and is just a couple seasons removed from 13g, 27 pts in the NHL, so they could do worse for a call-up.

- Tojo.


It couldnt unless he was signed to an NHL contract, which Pitt did. This is a rare move that NHL teams typically dont due unless its absolutely necessary, which in this case it was. And its the right move.
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Dec 3 @ 8:20 AM ET
And its the right move.
- Reverend Killtaker


His stats look for a reasonable ($700K) add, and with 58PIM he may even warm Grinders heart: https://mobile.twitter.co...s/1201571114499137537?p=p
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 3 @ 8:32 AM ET
It couldnt unless he was signed to an NHL contract, which Pitt did. This is a rare move that NHL teams typically dont due unless its absolutely necessary, which in this case it was. And its the right move.
- Reverend Killtaker

I can't recall seeing it before. Probably happens occasionally, but not something you notice if it's not your team. Certainly makes sense to make an exception and take a look at him with all the injuries since he's been an NHL player the past 2 1/2 years.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 3 @ 8:58 AM ET
His stats look for a reasonable ($700K) add, and with 58PIM he may even warm Grinders heart: https://mobile.twitter.co...s/1201571114499137537?p=p
- VeryModernMan

Yeah, he's got some sandpaper to his game. When he signed, he said his role against the Pens was to be a pest against the Malkin line. I can see him slotting in on that 4th line as needed. Former 1st round pick.
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