Well there would be stipulations ofcourse, a sign and trade or a 1st if Hall doesn’t sign.

But to answer your overall question, I think Jarry is a better goalie than MM and I don’t want to pay the price that MM is going to expect and JR will probably give him.
- stackthepads

Really? You must be overthinking this. I mean Jarry might have had 4 good games to start the season, but he is not better than Murray.

Really? You must be overthinking this. I mean Jarry might have had 4 good games to start the season, but he is not better than Murray.
- burgh4life87

I dont think the question is if Jarry is better than MM. The Question is: Is MM $6m-$7m better than Jarry?

I dont think the question is if Jarry is better than MM. The Question is: Is MM $6m-$7m better than Jarry?
- sammy87

More like is he 3-4M better, because Jarry's contract is up and if you make him the starter, expect to give him a raise.

More like is he 3-4M better, because Jarry's contract is up and if you make him the starter, expect to give him a raise.
- Tojo.

Would Jarry really command $3mm? MM could easily get $7 on the open market.

Really? You must be overthinking this. I mean Jarry might have had 4 good games to start the season, but he is not better than Murray.
- burgh4life87

Yes really my opinion is that Jarry is a better goalie that MM, or at least will become better.

I think MM is an elite positional goalie and the proper mindset to be a goalie. But his rebound control is poor and his weak glove is exploitable.

I consider Jarry closer to Fleury, he has high end athleticism and reflexes but needs work on his positional play. His rebound control is better than MM and he doesn’t have a glaring weakness (glove). IF Jarry can improve his positional play and his efficiency of movement I believe he will surpass MM.

I currently don’t think the divide between Jarry and MM is very big.

My only concern with trading MM is that He has proven that he doesn’t fall apart under pressure (2 cups) his play remains consistent. Jarry would be a gamble in this respect.

Would Jarry really command $3mm? MM could easily get $7 on the open market.
- sammy87

I’m a big JR fan, but we all know he is giving MM 7+ mil for 8 years.

Yes really my opinion is that Jarry is a better goalie that MM, or at least will become better.

I think MM is an elite positional goalie and the proper mindset to be a goalie. But his rebound control is poor and his weak glove is exploitable.

I consider Jarry closer to Fleury, he has high end athleticism and reflexes but needs work on his positional play. His rebound control is better than MM and he doesn’t have a glaring weakness (glove). IF Jarry can improve his positional play and his efficiency of movement I believe he will surpass MM.

I currently don’t think the divide between Jarry and MM is very big.

My only concern with trading MM is that He has proven that he doesn’t fall apart under pressure (2 cups) his play remains consistent. Jarry would be a gamble in this respect.
- stackthepads

I would say Jarry’s glaring weakness is simply his lack of experience. Playing in the minors is not the same mental or physical workload as playing in the NHL. The AHL does not travel from East conference to west conference and vice versa.

He played 47 games in the AHL last year. He has 33 games in the show to his name. It’s just not the same. That’s a big risk for a team in win now mode

MM on the other hand has two cups. He wasn’t his best these last two starts but so far he’s at 61.5% quality starts which is fine considering the injuries. He’s 8-3-1. If he keeps this up he would have 32 wins in 52 games, that’s incredibly solid and a .914 isn’t terrible

Side note: I don’t think there’s a chance we trade MM this season and I hope we don’t extend him until much later this season if at all this season. Let the man play!

Yes really my opinion is that Jarry is a better goalie that MM, or at least will become better.

I think MM is an elite positional goalie and the proper mindset to be a goalie. But his rebound control is poor and his weak glove is exploitable.

I consider Jarry closer to Fleury, he has high end athleticism and reflexes but needs work on his positional play. His rebound control is better than MM and he doesn’t have a glaring weakness (glove). IF Jarry can improve his positional play and his efficiency of movement I believe he will surpass MM.

I currently don’t think the divide between Jarry and MM is very big.

My only concern with trading MM is that He has proven that he doesn’t fall apart under pressure (2 cups) his play remains consistent. Jarry would be a gamble in this respect.
- stackthepads

I just find this to be wishful thinking or recency bias. They are only a year apart and yet Murray has been better the past two seasons at the NHL level than Jarry has been at the AHL level. I just don't see it.

I would say Jarry’s glaring weakness is simply his lack of experience. Playing in the minors is not the same mental or physical workload as playing in the NHL. The AHL does not travel from East conference to west conference and vice versa.

He played 47 games in the AHL last year. He has 33 games in the show to his name. It’s just not the same. That’s a big risk for a team in win now mode

MM on the other hand has two cups. He wasn’t his best these last two starts but so far he’s at 61.5% quality starts which is fine considering the injuries. He’s 8-3-1. If he keeps this up he would have 32 wins in 52 games, that’s incredibly solid and a .914 isn’t terrible
- WSCTeton17

I don’t deny it’s a gamble, and I’m not saying MM is a bad goalie. I just think that Jarry isn’t far behind him and has more potential, or enough to gamble and not have to pay MM 7+ mil a year.

Nash could use a good G now that Rinne sucks. He got chased last night vs the Ads. Nash has the team to go deep, Rinne just isn't getting it done. I could see them wanting MM very bad if he were available.

My buddy fished with Eric Cairns yesterday. Pretty much trumps all hockey news I’ve heard in awhile.

Yes really my opinion is that Jarry is a better goalie that MM, or at least will become better.

I think MM is an elite positional goalie and the proper mindset to be a goalie. But his rebound control is poor and his weak glove is exploitable.

I consider Jarry closer to Fleury, he has high end athleticism and reflexes but needs work on his positional play. His rebound control is better than MM and he doesn’t have a glaring weakness (glove). IF Jarry can improve his positional play and his efficiency of movement I believe he will surpass MM.

I currently don’t think the divide between Jarry and MM is very big.

My only concern with trading MM is that He has proven that he doesn’t fall apart under pressure (2 cups) his play remains consistent. Jarry would be a gamble in this respect.
- stackthepads

Honestly, his glove isn’t as weak as Pens fans make it out to be. They were running articles on NHL.com showing percentage of goals scored on specific locations on all the nhl starters and Murray’s really wasn’t that different than most goalies. There maybe have been 2 goalies with significantly better gloves than him. I think Rinne was one of them.

My buddy fished with Eric Cairns yesterday. Pretty much trumps all hockey news I’ve heard in awhile.
- Grinder47

Who?

It’s still amazing to me how people have flip flopped on Jarry yet act like they always thought he was this good lol

Who?
- pensfan024

You must be a very young fan.

Who?
- pensfan024

Some scrub face puncher that never put up more than 9 points in a season.

Some scrub face puncher that never put up more than 9 points in a season.
- j.boyd919

The end of an era of that type of dman.

The Pens just cleared out a dman because there was a logjam. Adding one only causes issues when Letang returns. JJ is clearly not getting moved this year.
- Rinosaur

It wasn't just a logjam on D. It was a logjam of overpaid plug D. Problem has been fixed. If they can add a good Two Way or PMD, they'll have no problem finding a spot for him.

It’s still amazing to me how people have flip flopped on Jarry yet act like they always thought he was this good lol
- Rinosaur

I, for one, know he’s a bust!

More like is he 3-4M better, because Jarry's contract is up and if you make him the starter, expect to give him a raise.
- Tojo.

Sign Jarry to an extension thinking he will remain a backup before trading MM. Pull the ol banana in the tailpipe on him lol

I would say Jarry’s glaring weakness is simply his lack of experience. Playing in the minors is not the same mental or physical workload as playing in the NHL. The AHL does not travel from East conference to west conference and vice versa.

He played 47 games in the AHL last year. He has 33 games in the show to his name. It’s just not the same. That’s a big risk for a team in win now mode

MM on the other hand has two cups. He wasn’t his best these last two starts but so far he’s at 61.5% quality starts which is fine considering the injuries. He’s 8-3-1. If he keeps this up he would have 32 wins in 52 games, that’s incredibly solid and a .914 isn’t terrible
- WSCTeton17

Worked with binnington so there’s always a slim possibility. But if the return was worth it I’d still take the chance.

I, for one, know he’s a bust!
- Victoro311

Lol I don’t know if he’s a bonafide starter, but I definitely felt he would be an above average backup.

I don’t deny it’s a gamble, and I’m not saying MM is a bad goalie. I just think that Jarry isn’t far behind him and has more potential, or enough to gamble and not have to pay MM 7+ mil a year.
- stackthepads

I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago. I think it's worth considering. Sure it's a gamble, but they have the rest of this season to better assess Jarry. Def a gamble, but so is giving MM 7.5+ for 8 years.

I think it's an interesting discussion. I remember saying you need good tending to win a cup and a few people around here jumped down my throat saying you only need league average tending. I'm sure somebody has done the analysis on this.

The time to trade Murray was right after the second cup. The biggest problem would have been keeping all the great players under the cap teams would have been throwing at the pens.