I would more agree with this



he had one crazy good playoff year. trade him fast

I would also try to move these players
Namestnikov
Tierny
Hainsey
Demelo
Anderson

Add the picks to the 9 they currently have in the first 2 rounds on 20/21.

they wont, which I am happy about.
Also they run into the problem of not hitting the cap floor. If they werent so poor they would take a contract back to improve the Picks
- senstroll

You don't keep him for the offense. You keep him to be the vet 3rd line centre at a then reasonable 3.5-4mil during the decade of unprecedented success.

that thought has crossed my mind also
- senstroll

Are you thinking a Ceci for Hainsey trade?

I don’t hate anyone.. i gave praise to willy today..

I’m not the one going off about a bottom-pairing ex-Leaf on the worst team in the league. Leafs won last night, let’s talk about that.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

we were talking about the game.

Ceci was involved, he made a bad play. the talk moved onto the trade and the players involved.

the same people who used graphs and charts to show that NZ was not good while a maple leaf are looking at the same charts to see that he is still bad or worse...relative to his team

the problem was you jumping in to tell us that using charts and graphs is bad. Instead we should use anecdotal biased crappy memories from a HB poster.

Are you thinking a Ceci for Hainsey trade?
- PatC80

I was thinking that Babs would jump in his car and drive to Ottawa and kidnap him and bring him back to Toronto so Dubas has no choice but to offer Ottawa something in return

we were talking about the game.

Ceci was involved, he made a bad play. the talk moved onto the trade and the players involved.

the same people who used graphs and charts to show that NZ was not good while a maple leaf are looking at the same charts to see that he is still bad or worse...relative to his team

the problem was you jumping in to tell us that using charts and graphs is bad. Instead we should use anecdotal biased crappy memories from a HB poster.
- senstroll

So, saying Zaitsev sucks, and that the team he is on sucks, and that Craig Anderson sucks is all a biased creepy memory?

Are you thinking a Ceci for Hainsey trade?
- PatC80

I think Ceci will be used as a Cap hit swap

In fact....is that why he wasn't given bonuses?

If they gave him max bonuses it gives the Leafs less money to work with at the TDL.

I was thinking that Babs would jump in his car and drive to Ottawa and kidnap him and bring him back to Toronto so Dubas has no choice but to offer Ottawa something in return
- senstroll

I fail to see a difference in our posts...

Kidnapping Hainsey or giving them Ceci in return is the same thing, no?

we were talking about the game.

Ceci was involved, he made a bad play. the talk moved onto the trade and the players involved.

the same people who used graphs and charts to show that NZ was not good while a maple leaf are looking at the same charts to see that he is still bad or worse...relative to his team

the problem was you jumping in to tell us that using charts and graphs is bad. Instead we should use anecdotal biased crappy memories from a HB poster.
- senstroll

Ok boomer.

So, saying Zaitsev sucks, and that the team he is on sucks, and that Craig Anderson sucks is all a biased creepy memory?
- PatC80

no, thats not what I was saying

I think Ceci will be used as a Cap hit swap

In fact....is that why he wasn't given bonuses?

If they gave him max bonuses it gives the Leafs less money to work with at the TDL.
- Santo_44

I'm a little bitter still about that bone-headed play by Ceci last night.. So, any deal including Ceci, I'm all for it..

I'm a little bitter still about that bone-headed play by Ceci last night.. So, any deal including Ceci, I'm all for it..
- PatC80

Ceci for Zaitsev

no, thats not what I was saying
- senstroll

I didn't think you were.. I'll take it as a fact.

Zaitsev sucks, Anderson sucks.. Ottawa sucks.

Ceci for Zaitsev
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ok, almost any offer.

You don't keep him for the offense. You keep him to be the vet 3rd line centre at a then reasonable 3.5-4mil during the decade of unprecedented success.
- AdamFrench

hook that right into my veins

I just looked at JGP and he is a +15
on the Sens.

Thats his 109PDO in full effect. they need to find a dumb GM and ship him out now

Ok boomer.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Wow

show some maturity

Ceci for Zaitsev
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Go home. You're drunk.

Ok, almost any offer.
- PatC80

In all seriousness, I don’t think a Ceci has been that bad..

Leafs have to figure out what they’re going to do with Barrie..

hook that right into my veins

I just looked at JGP and he is a +15
on the Sens.

Thats his 109PDO in full effect. they need to find a dumb GM and ship him out now
- senstroll

I see... Is Dubas that dumb GM?

Right. One has a proven record of being decent, why give up after one year?

Also, I know I'm a homer but I felt Dubas had a quality summer and off season. He got rid of mistakes, paid a price for them but he did it for the betterment of the team.

Sure, first round picks are great and all but he already has enough trouble with his cap. He didn't need another one.
- Aaron_85

I don't think anyone rational would suggest that Dubas didn't have a good summer - and getting out the Marleau contract was a necessity that ended up costing a 1st rounder.

What's unfortunate about the Marleau situation is that Vancouver turned around and paid Tampa for basically the exact same thing - which casts a bit out a shadow on how much was paid.

what gets overlooked in the Dubas' summer - where he did do a lot of good things - was what he did or contributed to that lead up to that summer of activity.

the Matthews overpayment and contract length, the Nylander fiasco prior to that and then the spectre of Marner's contract - which were the contributing reasons and major ones as to why Dubas couldn't spend more on a back-up, or perhaps add another "better" defenseman.

so its fine to look at the stuff he did in a vacuum - but it does misrepresent the mess that to a large degree he created himself.

I just hope that Dubas doesn't now sit on his hands after such an active summer, where he waits and waits and waits - avoiding what he obviously needs to address. He needs to go out and get a couple of players with spines and figure out which "passengers" need to be thrown off the train.

Wow

show some maturity
- Santo_44

I thought you were looking for someone else to talk to?

In all seriousness, I don’t think a Ceci has been that bad..

Leafs have to figure out what they’re going to do with Barrie..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ceci has had some good moments, and I think he'll get better as he and Rielly get more and more comfortable playing together.. Hopefully, they can start trusting each other.

Fine.. I'll get over it and give Cody Lousy Ceci more time to get comfortable.

I don't think anyone rational would suggest that Dubas didn't have a good summer - and getting out the Marleau contract was a necessity that ended up costing a 1st rounder.

What's unfortunate about the Marleau situation is that Vancouver turned around and paid Tampa for basically the exact same thing - which casts a bit out a shadow on how much was paid.

what gets overlooked in the Dubas' summer - where he did do a lot of good things - was what he did or contributed to that lead up to that summer of activity.

the Matthews overpayment and contract length, the Nylander fiasco prior to that and then the spectre of Marner's contract - which were the contributing reasons and major ones as to why Dubas couldn't spend more on a back-up, or perhaps add another "better" defenseman.

so its fine to look at the stuff he did in a vacuum - but it does misrepresent the mess that to a large degree he created himself.

I just hope that Dubas doesn't now sit on his hands after such an active summer, where he waits and waits and waits - avoiding what he obviously needs to address. He needs to go out and get a couple of players with spines and figure out which "passengers" need to be thrown off the train.
- BorjeFan4Ever

No they didn't. Miller is 26 not 40.

I don't think anyone rational would suggest that Dubas didn't have a good summer - and getting out the Marleau contract was a necessity that ended up costing a 1st rounder.

What's unfortunate about the Marleau situation is that Vancouver turned around and paid Tampa for basically the exact same thing - which casts a bit out a shadow on how much was paid.

what gets overlooked in the Dubas' summer - where he did do a lot of good things - was what he did or contributed to that lead up to that summer of activity.

the Matthews overpayment and contract length, the Nylander fiasco prior to that and then the spectre of Marner's contract - which were the contributing reasons and major ones as to why Dubas couldn't spend more on a back-up, or perhaps add another "better" defenseman.

so its fine to look at the stuff he did in a vacuum - but it does misrepresent the mess that to a large degree he created himself.

I just hope that Dubas doesn't now sit on his hands after such an active summer, where he waits and waits and waits - avoiding what he obviously needs to address. He needs to go out and get a couple of players with spines and figure out which "passengers" need to be thrown off the train.
- BorjeFan4Ever

To be fair, J.T Miller is younger and better than Marleau.. I don't think you can compare those situations

No they didn't. Miller is 26 not 40.
- AdamFrench

Yeah, what the Russian said.

Ceci has had some good moments, and I think he'll get better as he and Rielly get more and more comfortable playing together.. Hopefully, they can start trusting each other.

Fine.. I'll get over it and give Cody Lousy Ceci more time to get comfortable.
- PatC80

I think there’s something to what’s Babs has been saying about them getting to know each other better. You hold people you know to account, and learn to trust them along the way.

Everyone rags on Babs, but no one should take what he says for granted.