Major difference with Lucic is Peters can't send him down. NMC.
- redseerpf

But he can replace him.

Also not sure where this Lucic hate is coming from? Weren’t you the one that suggested he’d play on the top line? You change your opinion on here like most people change their gonch. Flip flop around we go.
- K-man25

Lucic is an awful hockey player, but the only place he has any chance of success and the only place he'll actually be able to protect Gaudreau at all is if he's on the top line.

Gaudreau is good enough that he'll find success even with an anchor on his line. No one else is. It's the same thing in Edmonton where McDavid makes Chiasson and Kassian look like decent hockey players. A line with Lucic, Jankowski/Ryan, and Bennett isn't going to be doing much of anything.

Lucic is an awful hockey player, but the only place he has any chance of success and the only place he'll actually be able to protect Gaudreau at all is if he's on the top line.

Gaudreau is good enough that he'll find success even with an anchor on his line. No one else is. It's the same thing in Edmonton where McDavid makes Chiasson and Kassian look like decent hockey players. A line with Lucic, Jankowski/Ryan, and Bennett isn't going to be doing much of anything.
- Hunkulese

Please do this.

Please.

Lucic was fine the other night...did some good things

There are worse 3rd/4th liners in this league


Oilers fans keep chirping but Neal is gonna be -20 in Edmonton or worse (wanna bet) wow big win. At least Lucic will be useful in the bottom six

So poop is hitting the fan in Winnipeg. It's looking like they need to add some dmen (especially if Buff retires) and they have a potential generational RW talent in Laine on the block.

Trading Brodie blows a bit of a hole in our 3rd pairing, but adding Laine would give us the fire power to compete with any of the leagues big guns :D

What do you guys think it would take? Carolina might be in a better position to make a trade but you have to think BT has at least kicked the tires on this one.

Brodie
Frolik
Mangiapane

~10 mill in cap

Laine

~7.5 to 8.5 million?


That should leave us with another 9 million in space to get Tkachuk signed and the season rolling and Laine would get his shot at 1RW.

Johnny Money Laine
Tkachuk Backlund Lindholm
Bennett Janko Czarnik
Lucic Ryan Dube

Gio Rass
Hanifin Hamonic
Kylington Mcdonald/stone/whoever is playing well

So poop is hitting the fan in Winnipeg. It's looking like they need to add some dmen (especially if Buff retires) and they have a potential generational RW talent in Laine on the block.

Trading Brodie blows a bit of a hole in our 3rd pairing, but adding Laine would give us the fire power to compete with any of the leagues big guns :D

What do you guys think it would take? Carolina might be in a better position to make a trade but you have to think BT has at least kicked the tires on this one.

Brodie
Frolik
Mangiapane

~10 mill in cap

Laine

~7.5 to 8.5 million?


That should leave us with another 9 million in space to get Tkachuk signed and the season rolling and Laine would get his shot at 1RW.

Johnny Money Laine
Tkachuk Backlund Lindholm
Bennett Janko Czarnik
Lucic Ryan Dube

Gio Rass
Hanifin Hamonic
Kylington Mcdonald/stone/whoever is playing well
- Saskabush[/quote


Not a chance Laine signs for 8.5 if that’s the case he would be signed.. he Is holding out for 10~11 mill.

So poop is hitting the fan in Winnipeg. It's looking like they need to add some dmen (especially if Buff retires) and they have a potential generational RW talent in Laine on the block.

Trading Brodie blows a bit of a hole in our 3rd pairing, but adding Laine would give us the fire power to compete with any of the leagues big guns :D

What do you guys think it would take? Carolina might be in a better position to make a trade but you have to think BT has at least kicked the tires on this one.

Brodie
Frolik
Mangiapane

~10 mill in cap

Laine

~7.5 to 8.5 million?


That should leave us with another 9 million in space to get Tkachuk signed and the season rolling and Laine would get his shot at 1RW.

Johnny Money Laine
Tkachuk Backlund Lindholm
Bennett Janko Czarnik
Lucic Ryan Dube

Gio Rass
Hanifin Hamonic
Kylington Mcdonald/stone/whoever is playing well
- Saskabush

Don't think that's enough for Chevy to consider the deal. I think he will be looking for a huge haul and/or prospects picks in exchange for Laine. I also think, much to PL's chagrin, he's the #2 RW in this case as the Flames will want to spread the offense and ensure that Johnny and Mony and covered defensively on the 1st unit.

So poop is hitting the fan in Winnipeg. It's looking like they need to add some dmen (especially if Buff retires) and they have a potential generational RW talent in Laine on the block.

Trading Brodie blows a bit of a hole in our 3rd pairing, but adding Laine would give us the fire power to compete with any of the leagues big guns :D

What do you guys think it would take? Carolina might be in a better position to make a trade but you have to think BT has at least kicked the tires on this one.

Brodie
Frolik
Mangiapane

~10 mill in cap

Laine

~7.5 to 8.5 million?


That should leave us with another 9 million in space to get Tkachuk signed and the season rolling and Laine would get his shot at 1RW.

Johnny Money Laine
Tkachuk Backlund Lindholm
Bennett Janko Czarnik
Lucic Ryan Dube

Gio Rass
Hanifin Hamonic
Kylington Mcdonald/stone/whoever is playing well
- Saskabush

Why do you always propose trades with the Flames only give up pending UFAs? Laine is potentially the best goal scorer in the league for the next decade. You really think the Jets are trading him for two aging UFAs and Mangiapane? Maybe the Jets would be interested in Brodie or Frolik if they had Laine and Byfuglien in the lineup. Without them, what's the point of that trade? They replace Laine with Frolik. That's a massive downgrade. They replace Byguglien with Brodie. Another massive downgrade.

If the Jets do end up trading him, they'd be getting back a much, much, much better deal than the one year band-aid you're proposing. Look at the Montreal rumours. Domi, plus, plus has been thrown out there. Laine would bring back something similar to that.

A trade for Laine would have to be Valimaki, Dube, and probably a first, and that's still likely not enough.

So poop is hitting the fan in Winnipeg. It's looking like they need to add some dmen (especially if Buff retires) and they have a potential generational RW talent in Laine on the block.

Trading Brodie blows a bit of a hole in our 3rd pairing, but adding Laine would give us the fire power to compete with any of the leagues big guns :D

What do you guys think it would take? Carolina might be in a better position to make a trade but you have to think BT has at least kicked the tires on this one.

Brodie
Frolik
Mangiapane

~10 mill in cap

Laine

~7.5 to 8.5 million?


That should leave us with another 9 million in space to get Tkachuk signed and the season rolling and Laine would get his shot at 1RW.

Johnny Money Laine
Tkachuk Backlund Lindholm
Bennett Janko Czarnik
Lucic Ryan Dube

Gio Rass
Hanifin Hamonic
Kylington Mcdonald/stone/whoever is playing well
- Saskabush

Sorry but not a chance Chevy does that. The only way we snag Lianne is if we send Chucky back the other way. Which..........is pretty darn tempting. But back to the Jets backend. The guy they would probably give the most for would be Hamonic. For a few reasons. He wants to play close to home so he's one happy camper playing in Alberta or for the Jets. He's a RHS which is exactly what they need. We need cap space, I can see Tre asking for a pretty healthy return just because I think Flames would rather keep Hammy & resign him to a reasonable extension next summer. So in saying that, the ask would be like Roslovic & a lottery protected 1st. Sounds expensive but affordable. Now I would rather see Tre to do a bait & switch & offer Brodie a LHS but plays the best on the right side for Roslovic & a 2nd. Either deal, Flames get cap space. I doubt Jets want to part with Lianne too easily. That would need to be a monster deal.

Sorry but not a chance Chevy does that. The only way we snag Lianne is if we send Chucky back the other way. Which..........is pretty darn tempting. But back to the Jets backend. The guy they would probably give the most for would be Hamonic. For a few reasons. He wants to play close to home so he's one happy camper playing in Alberta or for the Jets. He's a RHS which is exactly what they need. We need cap space, I can see Tre asking for a pretty healthy return just because I think Flames would rather keep Hammy & resign him to a reasonable extension next summer. So in saying that, the ask would be like Roslovic & a lottery protected 1st. Sounds expensive but affordable. Now I would rather see Tre to do a bait & switch & offer Brodie a LHS but plays the best on the right side for Roslovic & a 2nd. Either deal, Flames get cap space. I doubt Jets want to part with Lianne too easily. That would need to be a monster deal.
- Kevin R

Agree that they'd probably want Hamonic, I'd rather keep him around for Hanifin's sake because he didn't look too good while paired up with anyone else last year. Also agree on the Flames re-signing Hamonic..

Wouldn't trade Chucky for Laine straight up, no offence to Laine but Tkachuk is the more complete player and he is exactly what we need come playoff time.


Only way I'd offer up one of our d is if the return is huge, we're better off with Brodie/Hamonic. I realize that the Jets would most likely err on the side of keeping Laine but if they want one of our Dmen the price has to be steep--with Valimaki out we need them more than we need another forward.

Ruzicka is looking good so far this pre season.

Janko and Frolik can go. Make some room for ruzicka and Dube/Mang

It will be hard to pick 3 people for the bottom 6 Technically we already have 3 of those spots filled with D. Ryan, M. Lucic (I guess), and S. Bennett assuming the 3M line stays in tack. So Dube, Jankowski, Mangiapane, Czarnik, and maybe another 1 or 2 people on the fringe form our prospect group. I don't think any PTO's will make the team on the forward side base on our cap and the younger guys we have are better. However, I wouldn't mind Rieder coming in on a minimal contract based on his speed and thinking he can bounce back. Think he has more upside than any of the other forward PTOs.

Agree that they'd probably want Hamonic, I'd rather keep him around for Hanifin's sake because he didn't look too good while paired up with anyone else last year. Also agree on the Flames re-signing Hamonic..

Wouldn't trade Chucky for Laine straight up, no offence to Laine but Tkachuk is the more complete player and he is exactly what we need come playoff time.


Only way I'd offer up one of our d is if the return is huge, we're better off with Brodie/Hamonic. I realize that the Jets would most likely err on the side of keeping Laine but if they want one of our Dmen the price has to be steep--with Valimaki out we need them more than we need another forward.
- Saskabush

Personally I wouldn't want Laine right now, maybe if he proves last year was just a fluke... I would be tempted to give up a decent amount for him but otherwise nah.

Janko and Frolik can go. Make some room for ruzicka and Dube/Mang
- jessehub

Agreed! Dube and Ruz have looked really good, Phillips pretty good too. Like what Yeletsin is doing too, he doesn’t look out of place at all. Brodie to the peg? A Yeletsin/Stone/Kylington/MacDonald combo on your third pair wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Rass is ready for top pairing minutes with Gio.

Unpopular opinion - let Tkachuk sit and plug in Dube in his spot? Haha bring on the hate!

Janko and Frolik can go. Make some room for ruzicka and Dube/Mang
- jessehub

But but whose going to score all our short handed goals ... kidding haha

Agreed! Dube and Ruz have looked really good, Phillips pretty good too. Like what Yeletsin is doing too, he doesn’t look out of place at all. Brodie to the peg? A Yeletsin/Stone/Kylington/MacDonald combo on your third pair wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Rass is ready for top pairing minutes with Gio.

Unpopular opinion - let Tkachuk sit and plug in Dube in his spot? Haha bring on the hate!
- Emcee27

Good to see the Flames add some decent depth on D with Yelesin and I kind of like the looks of Nielson too. Up front Ruzicka and Pospisil look like good prospects.

Good to see the Flames add some decent depth on D with Yelesin and I kind of like the looks of Nielson too. Up front Ruzicka and Pospisil look like good prospects.
- tincup

100% agree. It feels like Ruzicka has been around forever. I don’t think it will be long before we see Phillips called up too.

Agreed! Dube and Ruz have looked really good, Phillips pretty good too. Like what Yeletsin is doing too, he doesn’t look out of place at all. Brodie to the peg? A Yeletsin/Stone/Kylington/MacDonald combo on your third pair wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Rass is ready for top pairing minutes with Gio.

Unpopular opinion - let Tkachuk sit and plug in Dube in his spot? Haha bring on the hate!
- Emcee27

My bet is that Chucky will sign just before the last preseason game. Get a couple of good practices and a game in before the regular season starts. Hinges on Frolik getting punted from the roster somehow, but I think that's what happens.

Curious on whether, at this point, he just does a 1 year deal. If the positioning from Flames management is just that we don't have the space this year to go long term, why not do a 1 year deal, max term after the season is done and they have another 13M in cap space? Are there any rules against that from an RFA standpoint?

I really like what I have seen from dube so far ...it’s only preseason but he looks like he will make this team. If he could stick with the big boys that would give us a lot of options on the next two lines. I’d like to see a lot of experimenting the rest of the preseason

But back to the Jets backend. The guy they would probably give the most for would be Hamonic. For a few reasons. He wants to play close to home so he's one happy camper playing in Alberta or for the Jets. He's a RHS which is exactly what they need. We need cap space, I can see Tre asking for a pretty healthy return just because I think Flames would rather keep Hammy & resign him to a reasonable extension next summer. So in saying that, the ask would be like Roslovic & a lottery protected 1st. Sounds expensive but affordable. Now I would rather see Tre to do a bait & switch & offer Brodie a LHS but plays the best on the right side for Roslovic & a 2nd. Either deal, Flames get cap space. I doubt Jets want to part with Lianne too easily. That would need to be a monster deal.
- Kevin R

I like either of these proposals and they're not at all unrealistic - Roslovic and a 1st for Hamonic, or Roslovic and a 2nd for Brodie - both very reasonable and benefit both teams.

I really like what I have seen from dube so far ...it’s only preseason but he looks like he will make this team. If he could stick with the big boys that would give us a lot of options on the next two lines. I’d like to see a lot of experimenting the rest of the preseason
- Redmile247

Gawdin seems to be ready for a good look, too. He's been solid on faceoffs, positionally sound, and playing like he wants to stick around. That level of hunger is exactly what preseason is about and what the Flames need from their young prospects when they get plugged in in games that matter.

My bet is that Chucky will sign just before the last preseason game. Get a couple of good practices and a game in before the regular season starts. Hinges on Frolik getting punted from the roster somehow, but I think that's what happens.

Curious on whether, at this point, he just does a 1 year deal. If the positioning from Flames management is just that we don't have the space this year to go long term, why not do a 1 year deal, max term after the season is done and they have another 13M in cap space? Are there any rules against that from an RFA standpoint?
- rmull905

You might be right. If we can find a taker for Frolik, or perhaps someone else?! His old man would tell him it would be stupid to sit out any games, I would think?

Maybe a 1 year deal and a hand shake on giving him his pay day next year, that could work. No idea on the rules though.

You might be right. If we can find a taker for Frolik, or perhaps someone else?! His old man would tell him it would be stupid to sit out any games, I would think?

Maybe a 1 year deal and a hand shake on giving him his pay day next year, that could work. No idea on the rules though.
- Emcee27

his old man who held out back in his day

Curious on whether, at this point, he just does a 1 year deal. If the positioning from Flames management is just that we don't have the space this year to go long term, why not do a 1 year deal, max term after the season is done and they have another 13M in cap space? Are there any rules against that from an RFA standpoint?
- rmull905

Why would there be a rule against that? He can sign as many 1 year deals as he wants. The only rule is that he can't sign for more than 8 years at a time.

None of that really matters though. He wants to go the Auston Matthews route of getting paid now and being a UFA as soon as possible. He has no interest in an 8 year deal this year or next.