Mitch for Pasta or Mccovoy ..k
- senstroll

GM Max will take Heinen and you'll all love it

couple of things with trading him.

the trades I have seen people throw out, are not enough for Marner imo.
And there is another problem. who wants him if they have to pay his crazy ask
- senstroll

Zurich Lions

does anyone have the contract prediction link handy?
Id like to see what people were predicting months ago

i have a feeling the numbers have shifted what people think is fair/overpayment
- senstroll

i was at 6 x 9.5 .....although I didn't consider MM demanding repayment of his missed bonues ...that'd at 750k per year ..if I were to agree to it.

does anyone have the contract prediction link handy?
Id like to see what people were predicting months ago

i have a feeling the numbers have shifted what people think is fair/overpayment
- senstroll

I said that I expected a 6 year deal at an average of $10.5 but I fully said that that would be a big over payment. It's just what I though it would turnout to be.

This whole Mitch thing is getting rather annoying. FML, why do politics have to ruin sports

Welcome to Boston, Mitch
- RickJames77

Welcome to Toronto, Pasta and Carlo.

https://theathletic.com/1204102/2019/09/12/lebrun-whats-a-fair-contract-for-mitch-marner-nhl-executives-agents-weigh-in/

according to this a 5/6 year deal around 10.5 is the happy ground
- senstroll

Even that ...(frank), Eichel signed in at 8 x 10 just last year.

Wait, you think Mirtle has more merit than Friedman?
- GreatGigInTheSky

Mirtle is a Leaf fan.. So, I think Freidman has more merit.

Even that ...(frank), Eichel signed in at 8 x 10 just last year.
- The Law

Eichel, Stone, Kucherov, Aho ...soon point, rantenen, kuchuk etc etc
pasts 6.66, Nylander 6.9

all better value

GM Max will take Heinen and you'll all love it
- RickJames77

Thank gosh, he's only Leafs GM on HB

i was at 6 x 9.5 .....although I didn't consider MM demanding repayment of his missed bonues ...that'd at 750k per year ..if I were to agree to it.
- The Law

I think I went 6 yrs at 10.5M

Mirtle is a Leaf fan.. So, I think Freidman has more merit.
- PatC80

he is not a Leafs fan, why does he get pegged as one. he wrote an article about him not being a leafs fan

couple of things with trading him.

the trades I have seen people throw out, are not enough for Marner imo.
And there is another problem. who wants him if they have to pay his crazy ask
- senstroll

So, if you play the game - who would you trade Marner for? You're looking for a trade partner who has cap space and a need for an offensive-style player. That means that they probably have D to trade and a need up front.

When I look at young D who you would consider as a part of a Marner deal (and I assume guys like Dahlin are off the table), I see Ekblad, Dumba, Hamilton, Parayko and Jones as the basic guys you'd want. I'm ignoring some, obviously.

Florida could certainly benefit from a Marner, but I don't know if they could afford him. If they were willing to deal Ekblad, it would leave them $8.5m for a Marner contract.

Minnesota could fit him at around $11m, but if they wanted to deal using Dumba, it would definitely include + pieces. I don't even know if I think that much of Dumba, myself.

Carolina has no space. They'd have to trade contract value to get room, and that would be lopsided against them.

St. Louis doesn't have the space either. If I were them, I'd be reluctant to break up the D-group that just won the cup anyway.

I seriously doubt Columbus would want to trade Jones or Werenski - although I also think we overvalue Jones a bit on here. That said, Columbus has a fair amount of space - but they have 6 RFAs next year.

The more I look at this, the more I think there aren't really many trade avenues open either.

I think his dad turned out that way because of trailer trash mother.
Or maybe he was a d-bag from the start and that's why he found her to be a great fit.
- MaximusAurelius

Seriously, Max - can we please stop with the insults of Marner's mother?

The only thing - the only franking thing - that you know about her is that she stood up and "did the floss" during the mothers' trip.

That's the sum total of what you know about her.

So drop the misogynist crap about Marner's mother. It makes you look like an arsehole.

Wait, you think Mirtle has more merit than Friedman?
- GreatGigInTheSky

You're probably right. But I like Mirtle as well. I trust most of what Friedman says, to be honest, but every now and then it seems like he's stirring the pot (although I believe he always prefaces such things by noting it's his personal opinion).

I think for a guy like Friedman - who isn't athletic and doesn't have a hockey background - to have credibility, he has to be reliable.

Who's taking notes today? Garnie's turn?
- The Law

No way, too hungover today

he is not a Leafs fan, why does he get pegged as one. he wrote an article about him not being a leafs fan
- senstroll

Mainly, because I still think he is.

yes, he went to grab his crayon box



- senstroll

Sum female dog 🤬


*eats crayon*

So, if you play the game - who would you trade Marner for? You're looking for a trade partner who has cap space and a need for an offensive-style player. That means that they probably have D to trade and a need up front.

When I look at young D who you would consider as a part of a Marner deal (and I assume guys like Dahlin are off the table), I see Ekblad, Dumba, Hamilton, Parayko and Jones as the basic guys you'd want. I'm ignoring some, obviously.

Florida could certainly benefit from a Marner, but I don't know if they could afford him. If they were willing to deal Ekblad, it would leave them $8.5m for a Marner contract.

Minnesota could fit him at around $11m, but if they wanted to deal using Dumba, it would definitely include + pieces. I don't even know if I think that much of Dumba, myself.

Carolina has no space. They'd have to trade contract value to get room, and that would be lopsided against them.

St. Louis doesn't have the space either. If I were them, I'd be reluctant to break up the D-group that just won the cup anyway.

I seriously doubt Columbus would want to trade Jones or Werenski - although I also think we overvalue Jones a bit on here. That said, Columbus has a fair amount of space - but they have 6 RFAs next year.

The more I look at this, the more I think there aren't really many trade avenues open either.
- Monkeypunk

1 for 1 for Taylor Hall. Leafs can sign hall long term for probably 11-12 million, which is what they offered Marner, and NJ can overpay Marner to stay, while Hall is probably a goner.

Meanwhile Hall gets 100 points with Tavares and Marner comes back down to 75-80 probably. Leafs look like geniuses, and NJ can brag they got a star back for a guy who was walking out the door on them anyway.

Marner for Hamilton and Gardiner

😎

You're probably right. But I like Mirtle as well. I trust most of what Friedman says, to be honest, but every now and then it seems like he's stirring the pot (although I believe he always prefaces such things by noting it's his personal opinion).

I think for a guy like Friedman - who isn't athletic and doesn't have a hockey background - to have credibility, he has to be reliable.
- Monkeypunk

I would rate Chris Johnston a little higher than Friedman, but yeah, I do trust what Friedman says

I would rate Chris Johnston a little higher than Friedman, but yeah, I do trust what Friedman says
- PatC80

CJ is hands-down the best right now.

1 for 1 for Taylor Hall. Leafs can sign hall long term for probably 11-12 million, which is what they offered Marner, and NJ can overpay Marner to stay, while Hall is probably a goner.

Meanwhile Hall gets 100 points with Tavares and Marner comes back down to 75-80 probably. Leafs look like geniuses, and NJ can brag they got a star back for a guy who was walking out the door on them anyway.
- matty12345

or trade Mitch for a blue chip stud prospect and then sign Hall when he is a FA

Ya there's some of that ..but I think most are discussing it in a "if true" kind of way. If he's going to die on the "I want 5 x 11.65" hill then it is what it is and we move on.

I have some hope (from the history of his agent) that this is a lot of smoke and mirrors and puffery and that at some point a few weeks from now he'll reduce his demands (again, if his reported demands are even true).
- The Law

Due to the wild wackiness of the salary cap calculator, he doesn't have a deadline of December 1st.

Every day after the opening puck drop reduces the cap space the Leafs have -and the space they have to give Mitchy.

My sincere hope is that Point signs a bridge deal that is in keeping with what the Bolts usually hand out - meaning low.

It will hopefully put pressure on Marner to sign a bridge deal.

I haven't done the math, but big money up front, not so much 2nd year, 3rd year of $10 million so that his qualifying offer has to be high.

Kick this can down the road three years.

You're probably right. But I like Mirtle as well. I trust most of what Friedman says, to be honest, but every now and then it seems like he's stirring the pot (although I believe he always prefaces such things by noting it's his personal opinion).

I think for a guy like Friedman - who isn't athletic and doesn't have a hockey background - to have credibility, he has to be reliable.
- Monkeypunk

The thing that I really like about Friedman is he seems to know this - he talks much more about contracts, the business side.