Offersheet comp is 4 1sts...when term is over 5 years they just take the total and divide by 5...so it exceeds 10.5mill...voila 4 1sts
- Kashgold

Right. So 10.55mln x 5y.
If leafs offer anything close to that to marner (between 10.55 and matthews aav) he'll sign it directly.

None for 4 1sts.
- RogerRoeper

Oh sorry, didnt know you meant that.

I would play in TB/FLA/LA for half the money you’d have to pay me to play in WPG/STL/MIN/EDM.. life’s (frank)ing short, being somewhere less stressful is more important than tons of money. When Gards signed in CAR for a million less than MTL offered, I was like, “well duh.”

There’s definitely a shift happening in terms of how guys are getting paid. MacKinnon was the last of the Brokehecians. Every other young star is getting paid as RFA’s.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

If NYR offer 10.55mln on a 5y deal - if i were Marner, I'd think hard about that.
Nyr with marner have about even chances of winning a stanley cup over next 5y than toronto without marner. And NYC is NYC - and probably interesting to marner to be away from his parents

Offersheet compensation for 7x 10.55 is 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd.
Judging by McKensie's messaging that leafs offered a long term deal 'in the 11mln universe', that's about what leafs offered.
Marner can get that salary with 3-5 teams in league.
It's not about the AAV - it's about the appreciation by leafs and commitment which is shown by a new contract offer.
Perfectly reasonable by Marner to look for a 11.5+ deal on 8 years.
Leafs probably still lowballing him with the offer around 10.5per/7y.
Again - it's not about the money, it's about signaling that the team appreciates him as a key player.
The signal should have been to first sign him and then get johnsson and kapanen done. Leafs got their priorities wrong.
- MaximusAurelius

You're making up a narrative here. The Leafs were trying to get Marner signed. They had been trying pretty much consistently to get Marner signed. You know this. You were also posting on the threads while that was happening. There was even talk of how the Marner contract was holding up all other contracts and negotiations, and finally they had to concede that they weren't going to get anywhere with Marner and went ahead and signed all of the aforementioned - along with making the moves they needed to afford them the cap space to sign Marner and balance the defense.

The story would be far worse if the Leafs had done nothing but try to sign to Marner all summer.

If NYR offer 10.55mln on a 5y deal - if i were Marner, I'd think hard about that.
Nyr with marner have about even chances of winning a stanley cup over next 5y than toronto without marner. And NYC is NYC - and probably interesting to marner to be away from his parents
- MaximusAurelius

They wont pay the $ and the compensation...MM might want to figure this out...the agent and the father have overplayed their hand...no more endorsements for Mitch

You're making up a narrative here. The Leafs were trying to get Marner signed. They had been trying pretty much consistently to get Marner signed. You know this. You were also posting on the threads while that was happening. There was even talk of how the Marner contract was holding up all other contracts and negotiations, and finally they had to concede that they weren't going to get anywhere with Marner and went ahead and signed all of the aforementioned - along with making the moves they needed to afford them the cap space to sign Marner and balance the defense.

The story would be far worse if the Leafs had done nothing but try to sign to Marner all summer.
- Monkeypunk

Didnt 'try' seriously enough apparently - contract would have been signed if they had.

If NYR offer 10.55mln on a 5y deal - if i were Marner, I'd think hard about that.
Nyr with marner have about even chances of winning a stanley cup over next 5y than toronto without marner. And NYC is NYC - and probably interesting to marner to be away from his parents
- MaximusAurelius

Why tf not, eh?

Could you imagine all the whiny Marnern-haters reaction seeing Marner get all the attention in an even bigger hockey market? I would give it a lot of consideration. Easier division too. (frank), the goalies in the Atl are too good, they hurt scorers stats..

If they don't understand how people and sports teams work, they might have a bigger problem than marner.
Recent contracts negotiated by Leafs don't look great.
- MaximusAurelius

Name the contracts you are referring to. Are you talking about Nylander specifically or Matthews? Calling Bullsh!t on this one sorry.
Flyers just signed Hayes for $7.147 X 7 - he's 27 and has never scored more than 55 points in a season - you think that is a better deal than Nylander?
You think that Kapanen or Johnsson deals are an over pay?

If NYR offer 10.55mln on a 5y deal - if i were Marner, I'd think hard about that.
Nyr with marner have about even chances of winning a stanley cup over next 5y than toronto without marner. And NYC is NYC - and probably interesting to marner to be away from his parents
- MaximusAurelius

Leafs would match in a minute. Marner would likely be targeted for trade to a city that he might not like so much.

Didnt 'try' seriously enough apparently - contract would have been signed if they had.
- MaximusAurelius

Well, if by overpaying Mitch Marner with a contract so lucrative that no other GM in all of the NHL would offer it to him, then yeah, you're probably right.

As it is, the 8x11 offer is very high for a super talented kid who has had one really good year. It's crazy to think that he could be making just $1.5m less than Connor McDavid, who is the best player on the planet, for 7 of those years.

In my opinion, he's already been offered more money than he's worth and turned it down.

Name the contracts you are referring to. Are you talking about Nylander specifically or Matthews? Calling Bullsh!t on this one sorry.
Flyers just signed Hayes for $7.147 X 7 - he's 27 and has never scored more than 55 points in a season - you think that is a better deal than Nylander?
You think that Kapanen or Johnsson deals are an over pay?
- winsix

I'm saying that after rielly andersen kadri brown and hyman, leafs stopped negotiating deals that were good to excellent value for money (let's see how spezza does - i expect he'll do well).
Nylander matthews kapanen johnsson all player friendly contracts.
SJ, Nashville and some other teams are doing much better on the contract side in general.

Name the contracts you are referring to. Are you talking about Nylander specifically or Matthews? Calling Bullsh!t on this one sorry.
Flyers just signed Hayes for $7.147 X 7 - he's 27 and has never scored more than 55 points in a season - you think that is a better deal than Nylander?
You think that Kapanen or Johnsson deals are an over pay?
- winsix

I'm saying that after rielly andersen kadri brown and hyman, leafs stopped negotiating deals that were good to excellent value for money (let's see how spezza does - i expect he'll do well).
Nylander matthews kapanen johnsson all player friendly contracts.
SJ, Nashville and some other teams are doing much better on the contract side in general.

Name the contracts you are referring to. Are you talking about Nylander specifically or Matthews? Calling Bullsh!t on this one sorry.
Flyers just signed Hayes for $7.147 X 7 - he's 27 and has never scored more than 55 points in a season - you think that is a better deal than Nylander?
You think that Kapanen or Johnsson deals are an over pay?
- winsix

None of those players were bargains.. Kap and AJ have potential to be.

Players know the NHL is about to sign a huge TV deal and the cap will probably go wayyy up because of it. So they don’t want to sign long-term deals.

Leafs would match in a minute. Marner would likely be targeted for trade to a city that he might not like so much.
- winsix

I dont think leafs have offered 10.55 x 5.
They probably offered 10.55x7/8 which is obviously not appropriate value.

It’s when you cut a stem or branch off a plant and grow it into another plant. It’s easier and quicker than starting with seeds, and you know it’s female.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

My father in law used to clone his vegetable plants then I guess... you guys are good at this. I can't imagine doing this and having anything survive.

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I was told in 2012 that there was a 15 year old kid named Mitch Marner who was sick at hockey but his dad was a female dog.

Dude was right.
- Tumbleweed

Hmm. so Marner is 24 this year?

Hmm. so Marner is 24 this year?
- Aetherial

We're in 2021 already?!?!

Hmm. so Marner is 24 this year?
- Aetherial

Uh. 2019-2012 = 7

15+7 = ?

Matthews did have more leverage. He's better and was the one RFA who would have actually gotten an offersheet.
- RogerRoeper

And his comparables would have been Eichel / McDavid, and he landed in between.

I dont think leafs have offered 10.55 x 5.
They probably offered 10.55x7/8 which is obviously not appropriate value.
- MaximusAurelius

Yup. Still a 1 million overpay.

But actually perfectly in-line with nylander and matthews 1 million overpays.

We're in 2021 already?!?!
- MaximusAurelius

oops i mathed wrong

If these reports are true that they turned down 11 million USD for 7-8 years then this is insane. That is over 115 million Canadian and would pay him the same as Tavares and more per year than many other better players in the league.

We simply cannot keep handing out this kind of cash and remain a Cup contender for the future... the only hope we have is if the new TV deal the league reaches with the American networks (NBC) is way better then the last one uncle Gary signed (200 million a season!)

Hmm. so Marner is 24 this year?
- Aetherial

7 + 15 = 24?

Your mathing is worse that max's market value takes.

Uh. 2019-2012 = 7

15+7 = ?
- Monkeypunk

Been doing too many times tables with my son lately I guess.

I'm saying that after rielly andersen kadri brown and hyman, leafs stopped negotiating deals that were good to excellent value for money (let's see how spezza does - i expect he'll do well).
Nylander matthews kapanen johnsson all player friendly contracts.
SJ, Nashville and some other teams are doing much better on the contract side in general.
- MaximusAurelius

I'm glad you brought up Nashville. They have a huge cloud hanging over them right now. Because of the Weber contract, they will likely face a clawback of about $23 million when Weber retires early. That will be about $7.8 million a year cap hit for 3 years, for a player that will not play. Ryan Johansen is 27 and will make $8 million for the next 6 years - he had seasons of 54 points and 64 points with 14 and 15 goals in the first two seasons of the contract - is that the good deal you are talking about?