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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 12 @ 3:40 PM ET
I dunno what the Leafs are doing, trying to win the cup with two centres who have never won a cup. To win the cup, we need cup winning centres.

We also need someone for Captain Hyman to play with, Matthews is worse than Marner and Marner isn't even a centre.

- TheMussel


Matthews for getzlaf
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 12 @ 3:40 PM ET
I dunno what the Leafs are doing, trying to win the cup with two centres who have never won a cup. To win the cup, we need cup winning centres.

We also need someone for Captain Hyman to play with, Matthews is worse than Marner and Marner isn't even a centre.

- TheMussel



Now you're getting it..

Once we sign Marner to a $15M per year deal, we're winning the Cup.

Well, that and getting teh bozek back
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Sep 12 @ 3:40 PM ET
I dunno what the Leafs are doing, trying to win the cup with two centres who have never won a cup. To win the cup, we need cup winning centres.

We also need someone for Captain Hyman to play with, Matthews is worse than Marner and Marner isn't even a centre.

- TheMussel


I'm not saying Matthews is bad, or sucks or trade him or anything. I'm pointing out the very obvious contradiction on the idea that Matthews has earned his deal and Marner hasn't. Neither have so stop all the blathering and Matthews worship.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 12 @ 3:42 PM ET
I'm not saying Matthews is bad, or sucks or trade him or anything. I'm pointing out the very obvious contradiction on the idea that Matthews has earned his deal and Marner hasn't. Neither have so stop all the blathering and Matthews worship.
- aminnes


Matthews earned his deal by signing a deal.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Sep 12 @ 3:45 PM ET
Matthews earned his deal by signing a deal.
- TheMussel


Sure. So has Jori Lehtera.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 12 @ 3:46 PM ET
I'm not saying Matthews is bad, or sucks or trade him or anything. I'm pointing out the very obvious contradiction on the idea that Matthews has earned his deal and Marner hasn't. Neither have so stop all the blathering and Matthews worship.
- aminnes


Matthews worship?

Saying Matthews is better than Marner, which is a fact and not a hot take is 'worship'?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 12 @ 3:46 PM ET
That's more than fair value.. Marner has had 1 season where he averaged more than a point per game, and he did it playing with Tavares. I have no idea why he thinks he is worth more than that

Maybe,Max is really Paul Marner and he hates his wife?

- PatC80



So Paul has dreger and max as burner accounts?

PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 12 @ 3:47 PM ET
So Paul has dreger and max as burner accounts?


- Tumbleweed


Yes, why else does Max hate Bonnie Marner so much? They have to be married
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 12 @ 3:47 PM ET
Sure. So has Jori Lehtera.
- aminnes


He sure has. And until Marner signs we can't debate the merits/demerits of his contract value vs his value as a player.

But Matthews is more valuable to the Leafs, no question.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 12 @ 3:49 PM ET
All the talk about Marner needing to earn his 11 million and he isn't worth it unless this this an this. Pssst, here's a secret. Matthews hasn't scored 50 yet either. He hasn't even scored 80 points. He hasn't played a full season in over 2 years. So let's stop the contradictions.
- aminnes


Athletes not earning their contracts is so common that it's not worth mentioning. However, what Marner and Matthews have/haven't done isn't being debated ...it's what they need to do to earn their contracts.

So the measuring stick on these contracts starts now.

Most people seem to believe that AM holds a greater value in terms of how players are valued in the NHL. Most statistics seem to support that ..not all (like points) ...but most. And rightly or wrongly (it is what it is) big generational centres tend to get paid a premium (overpaid).

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 12 @ 3:52 PM ET
Yes, why else does Max hate Bonnie Marner so much? They have to be married
- PatC80


aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM ET
Matthews worship?

Saying Matthews is better than Marner, which is a fact and not a hot take is 'worship'?

- PatC80


No. Saying Matthews has already earned his contract and Marner hasn't. You guys love twisting poop up.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Sep 12 @ 3:54 PM ET
Athletes not earning their contracts is so common that it's not worth mentioning. However, what Marner and Matthews have/haven't done isn't being debated ...it's what they need to do to earn their contracts.

So the measuring stick on these contracts starts now.

Most people seem to believe that AM holds a greater value in terms of how players are valued in the NHL. Most statistics seem to support that ..not all (like points) ...but most. And rightly or wrongly (it is what it is) big generational centres tend to get paid a premium (overpaid).

- The Law


Sure. But acting as if either has wearned their deal is retarded.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 12 @ 3:54 PM ET
No. Saying Matthews has already earned his contract and Marner hasn't. You guys love twisting poop up.
- aminnes


People said this?
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 12 @ 4:00 PM ET
Sure. But acting as if either has wearned their deal is retarded.
- aminnes


I don't think anybody said that AM earned his contract. You know it starts this year right? Somebody said what MM would need to do to earn 11 x 5 or whatever. Matthews has work to do to earn his big bucks too.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 12 @ 4:03 PM ET
Kucherov signed a while ago, prices have gone up.
You take the center. But that doesn't impact marners value. Kane and toews sign for the same coin. Of course they had cups

- Fakepartofme


Kucherov is also a lot better than Marner so that offsets the prices going up.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 12 @ 4:04 PM ET
Aww.. you're cute
- PatC80


I respectfully disagree.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 12 @ 4:05 PM ET
I don't think anybody said that AM earned his contract. You know it starts this year right? Somebody said what MM would need to do to earn 11 x 5 or whatever. Matthews has work to do to earn his big bucks too.
- The Law


Dad tells Mitch, son they’re disrespecting you. You deserve Auston money. Mitch has listened to his dad his whole life on hockey issues. Hard to step out and take a deal his dad opposes. But this is exactly the time he’s going to have to do that.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 12 @ 4:12 PM ET
https://twitter.com/final...status/987411340124831744

Moustache makes the man.

That's why Matthews will be Captain.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 12 @ 4:12 PM ET
People said this?
- TheMussel


I guess so?
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 12 @ 4:13 PM ET
I guess so?
- PatC80


I was under the impression that people said that Matthews is more valuable to the Maple Leafs than Marner, and that Marner shouldn't earn an AAV higher than Matthews.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 12 @ 4:20 PM ET
I was under the impression that people said that Matthews is more valuable to the Maple Leafs than Marner, and that Marner shouldn't earn an AAV higher than Matthews.
- TheMussel



Same here, that's the message I've been trying to spread
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 12 @ 4:20 PM ET
Kucherov is also a lot better than Marner so that offsets the prices going up.
- GreatGigInTheSky


except... comparing seasons at same age , Marner has strongly outperformed Kucherov.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Sep 12 @ 4:22 PM ET
I was under the impression that people said that Matthews is more valuable to the Maple Leafs than Marner, and that Marner shouldn't earn an AAV higher than Matthews.
- TheMussel


He should be, but hasn't shown it yet. He needs to stay healthy. No coach would take 65-75 points and around 65 games over 90-95 and 82 games.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 12 @ 4:22 PM ET
Kucherov is also a lot better than Marner so that offsets the prices going up.
- GreatGigInTheSky


My "best case scenario for Marner" comparable when this began in the spring was Eichel. He started his deal last year at 8 x 10. With inflation that's 8 x 10.25. He was drafted 2 picks ahead of MM ...has similar points ...and I think you'd find people who point to both as the better player.

That's 82 Milly over 8 yrs and then throw in the 4.8 million Lou allegedly robbed him of and you're up to 86.8. That's 8 x 10.85. That, IMHO, is the "I refused to negotiate and went to trial and won every single argument and the court gave me X" figure.

Drop that by 500k per year for each year the term drops. 7 x 10.35 ....6 x 9.85 ...5 x 9.35 ...3 x 8.35.

Take it or leave it by October 2nd. If he sees himself as more valuable then Eichel then it's time to agree to disagree and get to working the phones.
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