Everyone would sign that deal in a heartbeat.. The issue, is that Marner is NOT worth that contract
- PatC80

Hes worth about a million less.

yes..
we already have a 100+points per season player in matthews at 11.63, so you're right!



- MaximusAurelius

Goal scorers get paid more, and Matthews is a centerman, which also gets you more $$.. Matthews was also a #1 overall pick and is considered a top 10 player in the league.

None of those things can be said about Marner

yes he is.
- MaximusAurelius

No, he's not.

He may do that, dunno.
So do you feel the same for matthews?
Or would a couple of 50 goal seasons be acceptable?
Id be happy with that.
- Fakepartofme

I think Marner deserves 9.5M on a 5 yr deal.. I don't think he's better than Kucherov.

If you had to build a team who would you pick 1st? Matthews or Marner?

You can say Marner barely scores, because he's not known as a 'shoot-first' player.

Truth is, you can't compare him to Nylander because he wants almost $5M more per year than what Willy gets.

Marner averages what 23 goals a year?
Nylander averages like, 22 goals per year?

(Too lazy to look it up)

I don't think Marner is $5M per year better than Nylander
- PatC80

My belief is Marner is over-rating himself. He wants Matthews money, but his skillset isn't in the same ballpark as Matthews. Matthews is a big body, go to the net type of scoring center. He plays with 2nd or 3rd line plugs and doesn't have elite wingers but still puts up top 5 numbers per minutes played.

Marner, on the other hand, is quick and a great passer. Would he have scored that many points last year, if he'd played with Nazem Kadri? John Tavares is a front line scoring centre and made many finishing plays to help Marner to those point totals. Marner does not have to play hard minutes in front of his own net, like Matthews. He doesn't have to take faceoffs and can afford to take chances as a winger. Matthews has more responsibilities and excels more-so in the playoffs. Matthews is the more valuable of the two.

Goal scorers get paid more, and Matthews is a centerman, which also gets you more $$.. Matthews was also a #1 overall pick and is considered a top 10 player in the league.

None of those things can be said about Marner
- PatC80

what exactly does Matthews at C that Marner doesn't do at RW?

Cause you always bring willie into it, i called you out on it yesterday.
But in this case its funny, youve called willie a scorer in the past and now youre ssying marner "barely scores". He scored 22 and 26 the past 2 seasons. More than willie has ever scored.
I get it, youre frustrated, angry like a bunch of leaf fans are. But saying he barely scores is just foolish.
Hes no mattews at scoring, but alot arent. And matthews doesnt produce assist like marner.

The kid will sign, if he doesnt he sits or is traded. Its all good.
- Fakepartofme

In all honesty, Marner will absolutely sign with the Leafs and we'll all go back to loving him. I'm just really enjoying the wind up especially how a lot (not all) turned on Nylander last year.

what exactly does Matthews at C that Marner doesn't do at RW?
- MaximusAurelius

I'll let you try to figure this one out.. You can do it, champ. I know you can.. You got it in you.

My belief is Marner is over-rating himself. He wants Matthews money, but his skillset isn't in the same ballpark as Matthews. Matthews is a big body, go to the net type of scoring center. He plays with 2nd or 3rd line plugs and doesn't have elite wingers but still puts up top 5 numbers per minutes played.

Marner, on the other hand, is quick and a great passer. Would he have scored that many points last year, if he'd played with Nazem Kadri? John Tavares is a front line scoring centre and made many finishing plays to help Marner to those point totals. Marner does not have to play hard minutes in front of his own net, like Matthews. He doesn't have to take faceoffs and can afford to take chances as a winger. Matthews has more responsibilities and excels more-so in the playoffs. Matthews is the more valuable of the two.
- PrinceLH

Agreed on all points..
I'm hoping Max figures this out soon too I have faith in him

So, if you play the game - who would you trade Marner for? You're looking for a trade partner who has cap space and a need for an offensive-style player. That means that they probably have D to trade and a need up front.

When I look at young D who you would consider as a part of a Marner deal (and I assume guys like Dahlin are off the table), I see Ekblad, Dumba, Hamilton, Parayko and Jones as the basic guys you'd want. I'm ignoring some, obviously.

Florida could certainly benefit from a Marner, but I don't know if they could afford him. If they were willing to deal Ekblad, it would leave them $8.5m for a Marner contract.

Minnesota could fit him at around $11m, but if they wanted to deal using Dumba, it would definitely include + pieces. I don't even know if I think that much of Dumba, myself.

Carolina has no space. They'd have to trade contract value to get room, and that would be lopsided against them.

St. Louis doesn't have the space either. If I were them, I'd be reluctant to break up the D-group that just won the cup anyway.

I seriously doubt Columbus would want to trade Jones or Werenski - although I also think we overvalue Jones a bit on here. That said, Columbus has a fair amount of space - but they have 6 RFAs next year.

The more I look at this, the more I think there aren't really many trade avenues open either.
- Monkeypunk

All very true... I've been looking at all teams rosters, needs/surplus, cap space, + a palatable return... and I can't find really anything I would be really happy with, aside from agriegous overpayments from other teams which isn't realistic.

Florida maybe and it would have to be ekblad + to make the money work and I don't think ekblad is worth his cap hit.

Columbus maybe but I would want more than just Seth Jones. Throw in Anderson/jenner and a pick and maybe. But duno if clb would do that.

I like a couple guys in anaheim, but who knows what their plan is moving forward with adding Faulk (has this been confirmed btw?)

Let mitchy sit the year and wait for a team to get desperate around deadline time and want to jumpstart their rebuild if they know they'll miss the playoffs, they may want to sell some solid players off for mitch (wouldn't play till next year).

I think Marner deserves 9.5M on a 5 yr deal.. I don't think he's better than Kucherov.

If you had to build a team who would you pick 1st? Matthews or Marner?
- PatC80

Kucherov signed a while ago, prices have gone up.
You take the center. But that doesn't impact marners value. Kane and toews sign for the same coin. Of course they had cups

what exactly does Matthews at C that Marner doesn't do at RW?
- MaximusAurelius

Question from a non-hockey player.

Centreman have much different responsibilities than a winger. Especially in the defensive end.

In all honesty, Marner will absolutely sign with the Leafs and we'll all go back to loving him. I'm just really enjoying the wind up especially how a lot (not all) turned on Nylander last year.
- walshyleafsfan

Much like last year, i didnt care too much until willie started missing games. Same will occur with marner.
But looking back, the leafs played great until december while willie was away. In fact their record carried them the rest of the year. I hope the same occurs if marner misses games....but we'll see.

Question from a non-hockey player.

Centreman have much different responsibilities than a winger. Especially in the defensive end.
- Bleedz_Blue

Other than taking faceoffs, marner does everything a good center does.
But yes, slightly different

Kucherov signed a while ago, prices have gone up.
You take the center. But that doesn't impact marners value. Kane and toews sign for the same coin. Of course they had cups
- Fakepartofme

And we're ufas

The Winnipeg Jets have signed Josh Morrissey to an 8 year 50 million dollar extension that works out to an average of 6.25 million per year.

Other than taking faceoffs, marner does everything a good center does.
But yes, slightly different
- Fakepartofme

He doesn't come low in the defensive end to keep the centre in check and break up scoring chances.

So no, he doesn't do everything a good centre does.

And he doesn't score as much as Matthews. That counts for a lot in salary negotiations.

Shea Theodore battling testicular cancer. Ouch
- AdamFrench

Damn.

Toddler heard me say I got it from Gary the weed man and ran with it.


Might pm you a few q’s for the next attempt.
- DrunkenCanuck

Your a credit to society.

He doesn't come low in the defensive end to keep the centre in check and break up scoring chances.

So no, he doesn't do everything a good centre does.

And he doesn't score as much as Matthews. That counts for a lot in salary negotiations.
- Atomic Wedgie

Matthews is also a machine at scoring 5 on 5. I think that warrants some discussion in negotiations.

Also, if Matthews was as healthy as Marner over the same time period I think there's NO CHANCE Marner is even close to him in points.

This is a difference the Leafs can make:


Winnipeg Jets PR
@WpgJetsPR
Morrissey’s eight-year, $50 million contract breaks down as the following with an AAV of $6.25 million:
2020-21: $8 million
2021-22: $8 million
2022-23: $5.2 million
2023-24: $8 million
2024-25: $6.4 million
2025-26: $4.8 million
2026-27: $4.8 million
2027-28: $4.8 million

Morrissey took less in 2022-23 to guard against a lockout.

Leafs can put more there - in signing bonus.

what exactly does Matthews at C that Marner doesn't do at RW?
- MaximusAurelius

puting up a point per game place playing with 40 point players.

All very true... I've been looking at all teams rosters, needs/surplus, cap space, + a palatable return... and I can't find really anything I would be really happy with, aside from agriegous overpayments from other teams which isn't realistic.

Florida maybe and it would have to be ekblad + to make the money work and I don't think ekblad is worth his cap hit.

Columbus maybe but I would want more than just Seth Jones. Throw in Anderson/jenner and a pick and maybe. But duno if clb would do that.

I like a couple guys in anaheim, but who knows what their plan is moving forward with adding Faulk (has this been confirmed btw?)

Let mitchy sit the year and wait for a team to get desperate around deadline time and want to jumpstart their rebuild if they know they'll miss the playoffs, they may want to sell some solid players off for mitch (wouldn't play till next year).
- Bleedz_Blue

Would Buffalo swab Dhalin for Marner?

Matthews is also a machine at scoring 5 on 5. I think that warrants some discussion in negotiations.

Also, if Matthews was as healthy as Marner over the same time period I think there's NO CHANCE Marner is even close to him in points.
- Aaron_85

We need Shanny to give the interview where he states that Marner needs to quit listening to bad advice from his father, put on his big-boy pants and start making decisions in his own best interests.

It may not work (hell, it probably won't work), but damn, it will make for some fine viewing on Twitter and Hockeybuzz.

This is a difference the Leafs can make:


Winnipeg Jets PR
@WpgJetsPR
Morrissey’s eight-year, $50 million contract breaks down as the following with an AAV of $6.25 million:
2020-21: $8 million
2021-22: $8 million
2022-23: $5.2 million
2023-24: $8 million
2024-25: $6.4 million
2025-26: $4.8 million
2026-27: $4.8 million
2027-28: $4.8 million

Morrissey took less in 2022-23 to guard against a lockout.

Leafs can put more there - in signing bonus.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think Dubas is playing this negotiation pretty slick. He absolutely learned from last summer with Nylander. He's been more open about what they've offered and getting a deal done. He has turned the fans/media against Marner and his camp. (Not like marner's camp has done themselves any favours by turning down all the deals) but it looks good on him in my books.

As sports fans, if/when he signs as a leaf all will be forgotten and he will be the golden boy again. Unless his production dips like Nylander's did.