Dan Wallace: What Does Guerin Have...

Dan Wallace: What Does Guerin Have...
- Dan Wallace

Zucker, Spurgeon, Brodin. I think those three could easily land you 3 1st round picks when dealt. Thats almost 15M cap space, and you are still competitive with your core (Suter, Parise, Zuccerello, Stall, Dumba, Duby....Still plenty of guys who can compete).

I really dont think the parise/Suter contracts are as bad a people think. They both looked great last season, and the buyouts in 3 years time are not too bad.

So trade your valuable assets, draft, and have some fun with cap space. Thats what the fans deserve right now.

7.5 for the next 6 years for parise & suter...
6 for the next 5 years for the midget...ah sorry...”little person” free agent signing made right before fenton got fired in 1 year for being a complete loser...

Yeah i’d say the wild are F’d up for a very very long time to come!!!

Good luck with that!

Parise is 35 with 6 more years left at 7.54m a year...WORST CONTRACT EVER!!!

Parise is 35 with 6 more years left at 7.54m a year...WORST CONTRACT EVER!!!

Illya Bryzgalov says hello, Flyers fan.

They have a confident mix of veterans of course led by Zach Parise and Ryan Suter, along with Eric Staal, captain Mikko Koivu and the newest addition Mats Zuccarello.

All of the above are in different stages of their lengthy NHL careers

Really?

Bryz played for 2 years as a flyer and then homer used a compliance buyout and billionaire ed snider wrote him a check out of his grocery money budget.

Parise is 35...totally washed up...totally untradeable FOR 6 MORE FREAKIN YEARS!!!

Your team is using up more than 1/4 of its dalary cap on 2 washed up pensioners and a centrman who is 4’ 6”.

You can pretty much write off the next 10 years...it’s pretty much garbage time for the state of minnesota hockey.

Bryz played for 2 years as a flyer and then homer used a compliance buyout and billionaire ed snider wrote him a check out of his grocery money budget.

Parise is 35...totally washed up...totally untradeable FOR 6 MORE FREAKIN YEARS!!!

Your team is using up more than 1/4 of its dalary cap on 2 washed up pensioners and a centrman who is 4’ 6”.

You can pretty much write off the next 10 years...it’s pretty much garbage time for the state of minnesota hockey.
- bruceflyers

I don't even know where to start with this guy... our totally washed up Parise lead the team in scoring. Which centerman are you referring to? Every Center the Wild has is 6'1 or above... Our other "pesioner" is a top 20 Dman in the NHL who's coming off a 47 point season. Tell us how the poopty Flyers have done the past 7 seasons. Oh yeah, only missed the playoffs 4 times! And now you have the FORMER Wild GM who signed those terrible Parise and Suter contracts as you call them. Have fun with Flahrs vanilla drafting and Fletchers terrible trades and cap management.

I don't even know where to start with this guy... our totally washed up Parise lead the team in scoring. Which centerman are you referring to? Every Center the Wild has is 6'1 or above... Our other "pesioner" is a top 20 Dman in the NHL who's coming off a 47 point season. Tell us how the poopty Flyers have done the past 7 seasons. Oh yeah, only missed the playoffs 4 times! And now you have the FORMER Wild GM who signed those terrible Parise and Suter contracts as you call them. Have fun with Flahrs vanilla drafting and Fletchers terrible trades and cap management.
- mnhockeyguy

That Kevin Hayes contract is vintage CF...overpaid mediocrity at its finest.

I’m giving chuck a pass on those horrible signings....pretty much everyone understands it that leopold put a gun to his head...the big splashes that have led to pretty much zero playoff success...and as i said earlier and it’s not even controversial...suter parise and zuccarello are going to guarantee no playoffs for the next 5 years. Not “no playoff success”...i mean actusl no playoffs.

Sounds kind of crazy that you’re bragging about a 35 year old being the team’s top producer...you know you got a crappy team when, huh?

Actually i have loved all the moves by fletch...flahr ran a solid draft with the same flyer scouts that are bringing us konec farabee frost lindholm patrick prov sanheim myers ghost ratcliffe...

Picked up york from the us development program...and brink who set the ushl on fire.

Holy crap...forgot to mention our lord and savior...carter hart!!! We tried getting a goalie scrap from edmonton like you...cam talbot...he sucked so fletch got rid of him.

Gonna enjoy these next 10 years with all this young talent coming together.

Good luck being hammered by nash col dal st lou and Winnipeg like 30 times a year!

Zucker, Spurgeon, Brodin. I think those three could easily land you 3 1st round picks when dealt. Thats almost 15M cap space, and you are still competitive with your core (Suter, Parise, Zuccerello, Stall, Dumba, Duby....Still plenty of guys who can compete).

I really dont think the parise/Suter contracts are as bad a people think. They both looked great last season, and the buyouts in 3 years time are not too bad.

So trade your valuable assets, draft, and have some fun with cap space. Thats what the fans deserve right now.
- bikeguy99

Parise/Suter buyouts would make the cap recapture penalty when they retire worse, not better.

Parise/Suter buyouts would make the cap recapture penalty when they retire worse, not better.
- Antilles

Even if bought out in 2022? I think they both still have a few strong seasons in them before that idea gets entertained.

I’m giving chuck a pass on those horrible signings....pretty much everyone understands it that leopold put a gun to his head...the big splashes that have led to pretty much zero playoff success...and as i said earlier and it’s not even controversial...suter parise and zuccarello are going to guarantee no playoffs for the next 5 years. Not “no playoff success”...i mean actusl no playoffs.

Sounds kind of crazy that you’re bragging about a 35 year old being the team’s top producer...you know you got a crappy team when, huh?

Actually i have loved all the moves by fletch...flahr ran a solid draft with the same flyer scouts that are bringing us konec farabee frost lindholm patrick prov sanheim myers ghost ratcliffe...

Picked up york from the us development program...and brink who set the ushl on fire.

Holy crap...forgot to mention our lord and savior...carter hart!!! We tried getting a goalie scrap from edmonton like you...cam talbot...he sucked so fletch got rid of him.

Gonna enjoy these next 10 years with all this young talent coming together.

Good luck being hammered by nash col dal st lou and Winnipeg like 30 times a year!
- bruceflyers

Once again everything in your comment is wrong. Fletcher approached Liepold about signing both to identical contracts and Liepold gave Fletcher the green light. Hardly holdin a gun to his head... When did Fletcher ever get cam talbot on the Wild, remind me what season that was? Oh yeah, never! You sound just like all the delusional Wild fans who thought after Fletchers first draft that all of those young guys were going to lead the Wild to the promise land... I wasn't bragging about a 35 year old being our top scorer, I was merely pointing out how stupid your comment was that Parise and Suter are washed up. Care to try again?

I said talbot was a crappy goalie...an ex-oiler...just like your current goalie!!! (Look up how you got your current goalie)

Again the future is super horrible for the wild for the next 5 years minimum...

Leopold is a loser...just look at that fenton hire...yikes!!!

Come aboard the flyers bandwagon...party is just getting started...prov san ghost york farabee frost konec lind allison ratcliffe brink myers patrick hart...

No need to cheer for a team and ownership group of losers. Life is short!

Pinning your hopes on 35 year olds...total recipe for disaster.

Again...the wild will be destroyed playing other central teams...this season is about to get really rough.

Grandpa Stall Grandpa Parise snd Grandpa Suter...they should be playing checkers not hockey.

I’ll let the chuck fletcher smear slidd brcause you are in pain...i get it...but i gotta say...i’m really loving the chuck fletcher experience so far. Hextall was a great drafter (see above) but piss poor at having the right veteran support until the youth can take over. E.g first order of business this summer wss to get rid of dead weight like macdonald folin gudas and elrvate myers and bring in niskanen and braun to act as quality short-timers (uhh...not 35 years “young” types). Brought in a 27 year old in the prime of his career hayes (he’ll be 33 when the deal ends...not 41 like parise/suter). That’s a 2 for 1 move because it slots the 21 year old patrick into way better matchups. In a few years you can flip the ice time once patrick fully grows into 2C role.

Again dude this flyer team is about ready to take the league by storm.

I ♥️ chuck

I said talbot was a crappy goalie...an ex-oiler...just like your current goalie!!! (Look up how you got your current goalie)

Again the future is super horrible for the wild for the next 5 years minimum...

Leopold is a loser...just look at that fenton hire...yikes!!!

Come aboard the flyers bandwagon...party is just getting started...prov san ghost york farabee frost konec lind allison ratcliffe brink myers patrick hart...

No need to cheer for a team and ownership group of losers. Life is short!

Pinning your hopes on 35 year olds...total recipe for disaster.

Again...the wild will be destroyed playing other central teams...this season is about to get really rough.

Grandpa Stall Grandpa Parise snd Grandpa Suter...they should be playing checkers not hockey.

I’ll let the chuck fletcher smear slidd brcause you are in pain...i get it...but i gotta say...i’m really loving the chuck fletcher experience so far. Hextall was a great drafter (see above) but piss poor at having the right veteran support until the youth can take over. E.g first order of business this summer wss to get rid of dead weight like macdonald folin gudas and elrvate myers and bring in niskanen and braun to act as quality short-timers (uhh...not 35 years “young” types). Brought in a 27 year old in the prime of his career hayes (he’ll be 33 when the deal ends...not 41 like parise/suter). That’s a 2 for 1 move because it slots the 21 year old patrick into way better matchups. In a few years you can flip the ice time once patrick fully grows into 2C role.

Again dude this flyer team is about ready to take the league by storm.

I ♥️ chuck
- bruceflyers

You said Fletcher got rid of Talbot, so which is it troll? And no self respecting hockey fan cheers for a team or a city who's drunk fans punch horses... Go back to your cesspit and leave us adults to have real hockey conversations.

Billy G is a high character guy. Funny too. Hope he does well in Minnesota and trades Zucker for Rust/J.Johnson/2nd RP

I wouldn't let guerrin near a buffet table let alone a draft table

get ready for some head scratching off-the-board picks.....kinda like when the Sens picked Minnesota elite hockey school pro Brian Lee, thinking he could actually play in the NHL

Poor kid.

I wouldn't let guerrin near a buffet table let alone a draft table

get ready for some head scratching off-the-board picks.....kinda like when the Sens picked Minnesota elite hockey school pro Brian Lee, thinking he could actually play in the NHL

Poor kid.
- Octavarium

Yeah we're in a wait and see mode with Guerin right now... His hiring didn't elicit the most enthusiastic of responses from the fans. It was more of a 'okay lets see where this goes' attitude.

Even if bought out in 2022? I think they both still have a few strong seasons in them before that idea gets entertained.
- bikeguy99

Yes. Buying out their contracts at any point from now until they end increases their cap hit if they retire, due to cap recapture.

Why are you guys crossing swords over something as sad as Bryz’s nightmare contract and Parise’s handcuffing deal?

Why are you guys crossing swords over something as sad as Bryz’s nightmare contract and Parise’s handcuffing deal?
- Hesh_

I think it's because we Wild fans are sick of hearing how "bad" those contracts for Parise and Suter are. Right now, they are still decent contracts, and should be for about 2-3 more years...maybe even a little longer in regards to Suter. Lots of people say that those 2 are completely washed up already and can bring nothing to the Wild. And that's just not true. Yes, years 4-6 that are there could end up being a couple of albatrosses for the Wild, but they aren't as of today. For all we know, something could be done about those types of contracts in the next CBA. Ok, as a Wild fan, I am hoping something can be done.

Look to the #s for them last year. Parise had his highest total of assists as a player for the Wild last year and his 2nd highest pts total as a Wild player. And he was 2 goals short of 30. Putting 61pts on the board is not a sign of a player slowing down. It was actually 1 point short of his best season with the Wild. And this says nothing about how often he creates headaches for the opponent when he is fore-checking. And he was coming back from major back surgery. I see Parise still being at the top of his game for another 2-3 years...then we will see (and possibly say) how bad the contract is.

Now look at Suter. He was coming back from an ankle/foot injury, that by all accounts, could have / should have been the ending of his career. And what does he do? Comes 3 pts shy of 50pts on the season. He plays all 82 games. Yes, defensively it was not his best season. But I am willing to bet that this year, he will be back to being more of a shutdown defender like he has in the past. Being a year removed from that ugly injury, things should be improving for him. And it's not like he has every really been an extremely physical d-man, so there is actually less wear and tear on his body then the more rugged defenders in the NHL. So his career, looking at the odds, should last a tad longer. I can see him being an effective defender for another 4-5+ years more. Yes, those years 5 & 6 at the end, he will probably be slowing down. So he becomes a 2nd pairing d-man. And although $7.5 mil/year for a 2nd pairing does not look good, a good GM knows that that is coming, so he has to find that 1st pairing D-man to be cheaper at that time.

Yes, the Parise and Suter contracts are going to start to make things a little more difficult to make the roster superior in a couple more years...but that is not the fact right now. NHL fans can dog the Wild all they want, but they ,IMO, look kind of stupid for ragging on Parise and Suter like they are both -50 and score 15pts a season between the 2.

I think it's because we Wild fans are sick of hearing how "bad" those contracts for Parise and Suter are. Right now, they are still decent contracts, and should be for about 2-3 more years...maybe even a little longer in regards to Suter. Lots of people say that those 2 are completely washed up already and can bring nothing to the Wild. And that's just not true. Yes, years 4-6 that are there could end up being a couple of albatrosses for the Wild, but they aren't as of today. For all we know, something could be done about those types of contracts in the next CBA. Ok, as a Wild fan, I am hoping something can be done.

Look to the #s for them last year. Parise had his highest total of assists as a player for the Wild last year and his 2nd highest pts total as a Wild player. And he was 2 goals short of 30. Putting 61pts on the board is not a sign of a player slowing down. It was actually 1 point short of his best season with the Wild. And this says nothing about how often he creates headaches for the opponent when he is fore-checking. And he was coming back from major back surgery. I see Parise still being at the top of his game for another 2-3 years...then we will see (and possibly say) how bad the contract is.

Now look at Suter. He was coming back from an ankle/foot injury, that by all accounts, could have / should have been the ending of his career. And what does he do? Comes 3 pts shy of 50pts on the season. He plays all 82 games. Yes, defensively it was not his best season. But I am willing to bet that this year, he will be back to being more of a shutdown defender like he has in the past. Being a year removed from that ugly injury, things should be improving for him. And it's not like he has every really been an extremely physical d-man, so there is actually less wear and tear on his body then the more rugged defenders in the NHL. So his career, looking at the odds, should last a tad longer. I can see him being an effective defender for another 4-5+ years more. Yes, those years 5 & 6 at the end, he will probably be slowing down. So he becomes a 2nd pairing d-man. And although $7.5 mil/year for a 2nd pairing does not look good, a good GM knows that that is coming, so he has to find that 1st pairing D-man to be cheaper at that time.

Yes, the Parise and Suter contracts are going to start to make things a little more difficult to make the roster superior in a couple more years...but that is not the fact right now. NHL fans can dog the Wild all they want, but they ,IMO, look kind of stupid for ragging on Parise and Suter like they are both -50 and score 15pts a season between the 2.
- Gusrichards

Exactly and for what they both brought to the table last season, a 7.5 mil cap hit is the going rate. Will they look bad in 3 years? Sure. Will the cap be higher. In all likelihood, yes. So their percentage of cap hit will decrease. Real dollars are inconsequential.

Parise will retire before that contract is over and won't collect it all. It's front loaded so there is no reason for him to play more than 3 years. He was good last year, so even if he falls off next year, Minnisota is probably only stuck with a bad contract for 2 years. Hardly a death sentence.

Everything I just wrote is also applicable to Suter.