Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils 2019-20 player profile: Taylor Hall

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Ray Ray is in a tough spot with Taylor Hall because he needs to either resign him or trade him for assets. The worst thing that could happen is another John Tavares incident.

Then end of this process will be Taylor Hall sitting in a bathtub of cash from the Devils or from somewhere else that gets refilled for the next 7 or 8 years. So pretty much a happy ending garunteed for him. The Devils on the other hand have some real risks to deal with.

I hope he signs because he is a great player and exactly what our new kids need as a leader. I think there is a good chance Hall ends up as our Captain if he stays. But if I had to put money on it, I'm guessing he signs elsewhere.

Would have liked to sign Panarin as sort of insurance against this ending badly. Or working out a trade deal with Toronto based on Hall for Marner.

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- justTHEtip1220

I had a fantasy hockey team named 'Taylor Hall Egg & Cheese!'

This is what I have been pondering...

Our team will undeniably be a power house in 3-4 yrs.

Hall knows this.

But he also wants to see how we do this year.

So my question...is he expecting a cup then he'll resign? We have some many great pieces - is this not enough?

If he knows we will be amazing soon but if that is not good enough for him, then why doesnt he just request a trade or tell Shero no deal.

I'd love to know the conversation because for all we know its positive.

This is what I have been pondering...

Our team will undeniably be a power house in 3-4 yrs.

Hall knows this.

But he also wants to see how we do this year.

So my question...is he expecting a cup then he'll resign? We have some many great pieces - is this not enough?

If he knows we will be amazing soon but if that is not good enough for him, then why doesnt he just request a trade or tell Shero no deal.

I'd love to know the conversation because for all we know its positive.
- Leniwm1

It is not a given that we will be a powerhouse in 3-4 years. It's an expectation. But plenty could go wrong.

I don't think how we do between now and the trade deadline is really what Hall will making his decision based on. Unless we do horrible and he decides to bolt. If we do well it won't push him to negotiate.

If he's inclined to leave then there won't be enough winning to change his mind. And lets be honest. The roster is a lot better but the division is going to be a bloodbath and the there are plenty of quality teams to play. So yes, it's reasonable to expect a better season but the one thing I've learned about hockey is there is always plenty of losing to go around.

[E7] What if Hall is waiting for Marner to sign before inking his new deal?

I say we trade Hall by December even if we're in a playoff hunt. He's not taking less than $11M a year and NJ isn't going to be swimming in cap space like we have been since Ray took over. By the time Hughes' ELC ends this team is going to be starving to find cap space.

Hall will be 28 in November. If we give him an 8 year deal (he's not signing for less term) then he'll be 36 by the time that contract ends. He's NOT going to be worth $11M at 36, and realistically, he won't be worth it for a few years before turning 36 either. Signing Hall to a mega deal now when he'll only be worth it for the first 4 years is DUMB.

Trading a healthy and productive Hall would bring back some serious assets to NJ in return. We wouldn't be trading him for peanuts. Montreal got a ton for Pacioretty when they traded him, I know we'd get even more for Hall. It just doesn't make sense to lock Hall up for 7-8 years when he's only going to be worth it for the first half of the deal.

Also, Hall keeps saying winning the Cup is his top priority. Then don't be looking to get some HUGE contract! If he REALLY wants that above all else then he should be telling Shero he'd take a hometown discount so we could invest in surrounding him in even more talent.

If Hall signs anywhere for more than $10 AAV then he's a liar and he has always only cared about the money.

Also, Hall keeps saying winning the Cup is his top priority. Then don't be looking to get some HUGE contract! If he REALLY wants that above all else then he should be telling Shero he'd take a hometown discount so we could invest in surrounding him in even more talent.

If Hall signs anywhere for more than $10 AAV then he's a liar and he has always only cared about the money.
- jtylerm

I agree. What if it was say 12 mil @ 5 yrs?

I agree. What if it was say 12 mil @ 5 yrs?
- Leniwm1

I highly doubt Hall would entertain 5 years, but I'd probably cave in on this deal if I were Shero. Hall won't do this though because at the end of this deal his next contract would be less than $6M his last 2-3 years in the league.

I highly doubt Hall would entertain 5 years, but I'd probably cave in on this deal if I were Shero. Hall won't do this though because at the end of this deal his next contract would be less than $6M his last 2-3 years in the league.
- jtylerm

Thats ok because he would have made more in the shorter term deal to make up for that difference. But with contracts still going up, his last contract might not be as shabby as you think?

If Hall wants to resign, give him the max years and $11M in a heartbeat. 8 years from today, that salary figure won't look as high as it does now. Crosby and Ovechkin both make under $10M in what are "bargains" b/c of when they signed. It's simple economics, the cap will increase and players share of profits will rise.

I might agree that we have to trade before the end of the calendar year, regardless of standings, if he hasn't re-upped. Winning now isn't as likely as most think. Youth takes time to develop and chemistry amongst new players will also take some time to gel. I really like what Shero did in adding talent and we are definitely showing anyone looking that we are serious about the product we are putting on ice and the efforts management is making to win. Should be enough, if not, can't walk away with nothing.

I agree. What if it was say 12 mil @ 5 yrs?
- Leniwm1

I would be happy to pay more for less term. Hall should be a stud for each of those 5 years. Not sure if Hall would go for it tho. Ray has been doing an excellent job signing young players through their prime years, and most importantly, trading players on their final year for quality returns at the deadlines. I am sure he has a good plan. I mean Hall is an elite player that we can trade with a 3M Cap hit!

Also, Hall keeps saying winning the Cup is his top priority. Then don't be looking to get some HUGE contract! If he REALLY wants that above all else then he should be telling Shero he'd take a hometown discount so we could invest in surrounding him in even more talent.

If Hall signs anywhere for more than $10 AAV then he's a liar and he has always only cared about the money.
- jtylerm

The list of people who give a hometown discount is pretty short.
Martin Brodeur... add from there. (Thank you MB30!!!)

With Hall, NJ isn't his hometown or a team he feels any extra connection to. He wasn't born here. He wasn't drafted here. He's played thru three season after a trade (that has unhappy about). Two bad and one pretty decent seasons for the team; and nice for him personally as MVP. But no way (IMO) is he taking less cash to stay in Newark. Which isn't to say he's a bad guy but it's just reality.

Players care about money and winning. Yes some players develop a strong connection to their teams but that is the exception and not the rule.

Mark Messier left New York for money to play in Vancouver. This was after delivering a cup the Rangers waited 54 years for, and treated him as a god....
That's what money makes you do...

The list of people who give a hometown discount is pretty short.
Martin Brodeur... add from there. (Thank you MB30!!!)

With Hall, NJ isn't his hometown or a team he feels any extra connection to. He wasn't born here. He wasn't drafted here. He's played thru three season after a trade (that has unhappy about). Two bad and one pretty decent seasons for the team; and nice for him personally as MVP. But no way (IMO) is he taking less cash to stay in Newark. Which isn't to say he's a bad guy but it's just reality.

Players care about money and winning. Yes some players develop a strong connection to their teams but that is the exception and not the rule.

Mark Messier left New York for money to play in Vancouver. This was after delivering a cup the Rangers waited 54 years for, and treated him as a god....
That's what money makes you do...
- Queenie_5_hole

Hometown Discount is just a phrase. It still applies. If someone is really trying to win the Cup, they wouldn't take as much as possible away from the team's cap space. Cap space they could be using to make the team a more competitive club and therefore more likely to contend. If he demand's a Parnarin like contract then he was never serious about winning.

Hometown Discount is just a phrase. It still applies. If someone is really trying to win the Cup, they wouldn't take as much as possible away from the team's cap space. Cap space they could be using to make the team a more competitive club and therefore more likely to contend. If he demand's a Parnarin like contract then he was never serious about winning.
- jtylerm

So...... know anyone who's done that?

Zach Parise actually went home and still milked the Wild for every dollar and year he could get.

And why does this still apply to Hall? What's his motivation to give a hometown discount? He can win the cup elsewhere.

No one has mentioned it yet, but let’s see which Taylor Hall shows up in October. Knee surgery for a guy whose number 1 asset is speed, is not something that should be overlooked. Factor in his age and his questionable record in the games played department and I think it gives NJ something to think about. If he isn’t locked up by Christmas Day, I would move him for a kings ransom and hitch my future to the Hughes/Hischier wagon. Furthermore if we get lucky and Gusev lights it up, it would make losing Hall even more bearable for the 2019/2020 playoff run. I do have serious concerns about the value of a mid-30s , 10+ million dollar Taylor Hall. The guy might be in a wheelchair by then if his past health issues are any indication.

All in all, I still hope he signs. I just love watching the guy play.

It's just the darn injuries. Hall is epic, and only enhanced with the quality duo of centers we have.. but if he's perpetually hampered, slowed, out, disabled with injuries.. is it worth it?

So...... know anyone who's done that?

Zach Parise actually went home and still milked the Wild for every dollar and year he could get.

And why does this still apply to Hall? What's his motivation to give a hometown discount? He can win the cup elsewhere.
- Queenie_5_hole

Sidney Crosby did it for the Pens. Taking a discount on Hall's contract to make the already drastically improved Devils even better should be obvious. It applies to any star player that could make their current team better by not being a greedy chump.

Name another legit Cup contender that has the cap space to take on a $11M Taylor Hall? There are teams that could take on a huge contract, but none of them are actual contenders. So, it's not realistic for Hall or anyone to think he can go win anywhere when every legit Cup contender can't afford him.

Also, ZP is the 2nd lowest scum of the NHL world.

Sidney Crosby did it for the Pens. Taking a discount on Hall's contract to make the already drastically improved Devils even better should be obvious. It applies to any star player that could make their current team better by not being a greedy chump.

Name another legit Cup contender that has the cap space to take on a $11M Taylor Hall? There are teams that could take on a huge contract, but none of them are actual contenders. So, it's not realistic for Hall or anyone to think he can go win anywhere when every legit Cup contender can't afford him.

Also, ZP is the 2nd lowest scum of the NHL world.
- jtylerm

we're far from a legit cup contender. Hischier should be hitting his stride. Hughes should eventually be an 80pt dynamic center. Palmieri is a 50-60pt winger. Gusev is an unknown. And.. Bratt hopefully will be a 50pt winger this year. Then there's the average defense and jury's out goaltending.

Doesn't scream "legit" cup contender.

we're far from a legit cup contender. Hischier should be hitting his stride. Hughes should eventually be an 80pt dynamic center. Palmieri is a 50-60pt winger. Gusev is an unknown. And.. Bratt hopefully will be a 50pt winger this year. Then there's the average defense and jury's out goaltending.

Doesn't scream "legit" cup contender.
- MartysBetter88

I never said the Devils are a legit contender at the moment. I was pointing out that there are none that can afford to take on Hall.

It's just the darn injuries. Hall is epic, and only enhanced with the quality duo of centers we have.. but if he's perpetually hampered, slowed, out, disabled with injuries.. is it worth it?
- MartysBetter88

I think he is better traded. His health has always been an issue. He only has 2 seasons scoring over 65 points!!!!! Now, starting his 10th season, can we expect 90+ points every year? His first year he notched 53 points, and just 37 last season.....I don't like the idea of an 8 year deal unless he signs a Sidney birthday contract. 9.1M AAV

we're far from a legit cup contender. Hischier should be hitting his stride. Hughes should eventually be an 80pt dynamic center. Palmieri is a 50-60pt winger. Gusev is an unknown. And.. Bratt hopefully will be a 50pt winger this year. Then there's the average defense and jury's out goaltending.

Doesn't scream "legit" cup contender.
- MartysBetter88

I think Tampa and Toronto have a good shot this year. But their bubbles are about to burst. Devs should be in a wildcard race, if not, finish top 3 in the metro. Aside from Washington, I feel our division has gotten weaker, and there is hope. No way am I betting the Dev's to win the cup, but I can see a playoff appearance.

I never said the Devils are a legit contender at the moment. I was pointing out that there are none that can afford to take on Hall.
- jtylerm

my bad, I misinterpreted the another cup contender as in another in addition to us lol