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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 16 @ 11:18 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Alumni Camp, 3W, Hayes and More
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 16 @ 11:27 AM ET
Bill, you could've saved a lot of keystrokes by just saying Seravelli is a known knob who was run out of this town for his piss poor reporting.

Nevertheless, thanks for the insight.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Aug 16 @ 11:35 AM ET
"The Hurricanes have a lot of talent but meh goaltending and a miserly nutjob of an owner."

Wow. I can't argue with that assessment, but coming from Bill... wow.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 16 @ 11:46 AM ET
"The Hurricanes have a lot of talent but meh goaltending and a miserly nutjob of an owner."

Wow. I can't argue with that assessment, but coming from Bill... wow.

- Doc_Sarcasm


A year ago, an NHL assistant GM who is dying for his chance to become a GM was offered the job in Carolina before Waddell accepted it. The candidate turned it down for fear of not getting the resources that a GM needs to compete, not getting a GM range salary offer and potentially hurting his chances for a long-term GM career in the league.

Then look at what went down this off-season with Aho. Waddell had to wait for Montreal's off-sheet because Dundon wouldn't agree to the deal unless forced to (the Habs sole hope was that the frontload would trigger the Canes owner to refuse to match). He let his GM hang around this summer without a new contract and go interview in Minnesota before he'd offer a competitive raise.

As long as Dundon is owner, the Canes are going to dysfunctional and the GM will be behind the eight-ball. Which is a shame because they've assembled a damn good roster apart from the goalies.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 16 @ 11:51 AM ET
https://www.bardown.com/f...s-leading-there-1.1350981

This article had just come out as well, folks tried to dismiss it as a guy who couldn't make it but now it seems to have more pull reading what you just wrote Bill.
*not sure if posted yesterday.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 16 @ 11:53 AM ET
https://www.bardown.com/former-carolina-hurricane-rips-team-claims-nobody-knows-who-s-leading-there-1.1350981

This article had just come out as well, folks tried to dismiss it as a guy who couldn't make it but now it seems to have more pull reading what you just wrote Bill.
*not sure if posted yesterday.

- ClaudeFather



That is some nutty stuff. Hard to work in any environment when the higher ups dont know what they are doing....
Pompous
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ruskin, FL
Joined: 02.19.2014

Aug 16 @ 11:54 AM ET
"It's a dangerous game of chicken on both sides. But in terms of compelling, high-stakes drama, it's far more packed with importance than the topic that's the "controversy" of the week."

Looks like somebody was forced into being the adult here.
Kids are just so unruly and faddish!

ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 16 @ 12:00 PM ET
That is some nutty stuff. Hard to work in any environment when the higher ups dont know what they are doing....
- MBFlyerfan

That kid had 30 goals and 54 points last year with the Checkers too, just 22 years old. Not like some bum on the team he was one of their best players.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Aug 16 @ 12:01 PM ET
but the flyers overpayed for Braun and he clearly wasnt needed. also add in the fact he will be blocking the "young" guys is a detriment.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Aug 16 @ 12:02 PM ET
A year ago, an NHL assistant GM who is dying for his chance to become a GM was offered the job in Carolina before Waddell accepted it. The candidate turned it down for fear of not getting the resources that a GM needs to compete, not getting a GM range salary offer and potentially hurting his chances for a long-term GM career in the league.

Then look at what went down this off-season with Aho. Waddell had to wait for Montreal's off-sheet because Dundon wouldn't agree to the deal unless forced to (the Habs sole hope was that the frontload would trigger the Canes owner to refuse to match). He let his GM hang around this summer without a new contract and go interview in Minnesota before he'd offer a competitive raise.

As long as Dundon is owner, the Canes are going to dysfunctional and the GM will be behind the eight-ball. Which is a shame because they've assembled a damn good roster apart from the goalies.

- bmeltzer


Like I said, I cannot argue with the assessment, but coming from someone who always chooses his words with care, that is a scathing indictment.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:12 PM ET
Bill, you could've saved a lot of keystrokes by just saying Seravelli is a known knob who was run out of this town for his piss poor reporting.

Nevertheless, thanks for the insight.

- hereticpride

Senior hockey writer for TSN
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:14 PM ET
Hayes didn’t want to play with the flyers. Gets over paid, 7 year deal, NMC. Yea he’s not going to be motivated
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:15 PM ET
but the flyers overpayed for Braun and he clearly wasnt needed. also add in the fact he will be blocking the "young" guys is a detriment.
- daryl stanley

Good thing we didn’t do anything like overpay for niskanen too
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 16 @ 12:15 PM ET
Good thing we didn’t do anything like overpay for niskanen too
- 2Real


They didn't.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:17 PM ET
There’s been at least one public dispute of elements of the story by former NHLer and current Barstool Sports podcast host Ryan Whitney, apparently a friend of Hayes’, but Seravalli is a reputable reporter and is almost certainly not making the whole thing up.

I’ll just leave this here
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:18 PM ET
They didn't.
- bmeltzer

Retaining gudas’s salary is insane
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Aug 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
Retaining gudas’s salary is insane
- 2Real



Its not insane.

They didnt retain Gudas's salary.. the retained a portion of it.

Gudas's salary goes away after this season.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 16 @ 12:22 PM ET
I’ll just leave this here
- 2Real


LOL what is this supposed to be proving?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:24 PM ET
LOL what is this supposed to be proving?
- Ftown19125

That Hayes didn’t want to play here
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
Its not insane.

They didnt retain Gudas's salary.. the retained a portion of it.

Gudas's salary goes away after this season.

- Doc_Sarcasm

Your point? We’re paying niskanen like what7-8 mil with the retained salary
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Aug 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
Good thing we didn’t do anything like overpay for niskanen too
- 2Real

only issue i have is the gm didnt get a pick back for the retention.

Bill was there any other interest in Niskannen from other teams? They got back a decent player in gudas so it wasnt a clear dump
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Aug 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
Good thing we didn’t do anything like overpay for niskanen too
- 2Real

you missed my sarcasm
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
That Hayes didn’t want to play here
- 2Real


So you think the reporter is closer to the situation than a friend of the player?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 16 @ 12:27 PM ET
I don't want to make this thread a debate over Frank. Will delete all further comments along those lines. Thanks!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:29 PM ET
you missed my sarcasm
- daryl stanley

You as well
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