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Tyler Cameron
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Wednesday @ 9:15 AM ET
Tyler Cameron: It's Getting Crowded Back There
With yesterday's announcement of Philip Holm signing with the Blackhawks adds to the plethora of defencemen in the organization.

Holm is a 27-year-old left-handed defenceman. He's not amazingly gifted offensively, nor is he outstanding with his defensive play. He appears to be an average bottom pairing guy for the Hawks to stash in Rockford.

So, another D added… hmmmm. The Hawks are going to have a lot of options in Chicago and Rockford, with spillover into the Indy Fuel.

Psenerch
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 05.16.2015

Wednesday @ 9:20 AM ET
First
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Wednesday @ 9:29 AM ET
Good morning, Ty. When you refer to one-way deals, do you really mean they're not waiver exempt?
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Wednesday @ 9:32 AM ET
Something's got to give
CTblackhawkfan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hamden, CT
Joined: 06.14.2013

Wednesday @ 9:47 AM ET
Another Trade ??
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Wednesday @ 9:47 AM ET
Good morning, Ty. When you refer to one-way deals, do you really mean they're not waiver exempt?
- mohel


Yes. 2 way deals are cheaper if the person is sent down to Rockford. Different money values, in Holm's case (I think, so don't quote me on it) 700k in the NHL & 400k in the AHL. Some one-way deals are waiver exempt though, like Sikura.
phantasmo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.13.2016

Wednesday @ 9:51 AM ET
It feels like some glut of D is getting moved somewhere for a Top 9 F that the Hawks feel will give an edge that they don't have. My guesses:
- Third line C
- Top 6 RW
- Stash and trade off "bottom pair/AHL" quality D to teams in cap trouble/injury trouble for draft picks


All I've got. Haven't been ahead of any of Bowman's moves this offseason. Biggest curveball yet to come.
ge1002
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: United States, TX
Joined: 05.02.2008

Wednesday @ 9:53 AM ET
I think the Holm signing is an insurance policy id Boqvist needs to play with the Hogs. Solid swedish pro to help lay center field for Boq to run wild. (Hammer to soupy)

Colliton is def using his Swede connection.
ge1002
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: United States, TX
Joined: 05.02.2008

Wednesday @ 9:54 AM ET
It feels like some glut of D is getting moved somewhere for a Top 9 F that the Hawks feel will give an edge that they don't have. My guesses:
- Third line C
- Top 6 RW
- Stash and trade off "bottom pair/AHL" quality D to teams in cap trouble/injury trouble for draft picks


All I've got. Haven't been ahead of any of Bowman's moves this offseason. Biggest curveball yet to come.

- phantasmo

How bout Anisimov?
Hahaha
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Wednesday @ 10:05 AM ET
I think it is going to be the top 6 that you listed, and then Koekkoek and Dahlstrom battle for the remaining spot, and the loser gets traded for a pick or put on waivers.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Dach Side
Joined: 02.23.2012

Wednesday @ 10:05 AM ET
Something's got to give
- fattybeef



Maybe, but not necessarily. Guys like Osipov, Ryczek and McArdle can all be sent to Indy if needed. I could see all of them ending up there.

In Chicago there will be Keith, Seabrook, Murphy, Maatta, de Haan and Gustafsson in the top 6 (not too shabby). Koeokkoek and Dahlstrom will battle it out for #7 and maybe one of them gets moved rather than risking losing them to waivers. Either way it's not a big deal.

In Rockford there will be Boqvist, Beaudin, Krys, Gilbert, TuuLOLa, Carlsson and Holm. With a possible addition of Koekkoek or Dahlstrom.
matt_ahrens
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Wednesday @ 10:07 AM ET
Of the 15 Dmen on NHL contracts, I think only Seabrook, Murphy, and Boqvist shoot right handed.
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Wednesday @ 10:15 AM ET
Maybe, but not necessarily. Guys like Osipov, Ryczek and McArdle can all be sent to Indy if needed. I could see all of them ending up there.

In Chicago there will be Keith, Seabrook, Murphy, Maatta, de Haan and Gustafsson in the top 6 (not too shabby). Koeokkoek and Dahlstrom will battle it out for #7 and maybe one of them gets moved rather than risking losing them to waivers. Either way it's not a big deal.

In Rockford there will be Boqvist, Beaudin, Krys, Gilbert, TuuLOLa, Carlsson and Holm. With a possible addition of Koekkoek or Dahlstrom.

- DarthKane


I don't think there would be much risk in losing them to waivers. It would be risky for a team to pick them up, as they would have to remain on the NHL roster for the entire season, and they are fringe NHL players at best right now.
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Wednesday @ 10:18 AM ET
Of the 15 Dmen on NHL contracts, I think only Seabrook, Murphy, and Boqvist shoot right handed.
- matt_ahrens


But Gus played on the right side some last season. Does anyone know which side he was better on, right or left?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Dach Side
Joined: 02.23.2012

Wednesday @ 10:19 AM ET
But Gus played on the right side some last season. Does anyone know which side he was better on, right or left?
- ToewsdNKanefusd



Left.....wing.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Wednesday @ 10:25 AM ET
Holm could just be insurance in case one of Dahlstrom or KooKoo get claimed on waivers. As much as I’d love to see another trade, it may just be a cheap insurance move.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Wednesday @ 10:27 AM ET
Yes. 2 way deals are cheaper if the person is sent down to Rockford. Different money values, in Holm's case (I think, so don't quote me on it) 700k in the NHL & 400k in the AHL. Some one-way deals are waiver exempt though, like Sikura.
- I Am The Breadman


This.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Wednesday @ 10:27 AM ET
Tyler Cameron: It's Getting Crowded Back There
So, another D added… hmmmm. The Hawks are going to have a lot of options in Chicago and Rockford, with spillover into the Indy Fuel.

- Tyler Cameron

Maybe Stan wants to win ALL THE CUPS?!
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Wednesday @ 10:30 AM ET
I am trying to figure out the economics of this. Maybe one of our experts can answer this.
1) Philip Holm played in Sweden in 2016/17. What was his salary? +/-
2) Capfriendly is showing him making a $92,500 signing bonus plus $832,500 prorated over his games in the NHL and only $70,000 prorated over his games in the minors with Vancouver in 2017/18. Having only played one game in the NHL he probably made about $170,000 +/- ($92,500 signing bonus, $70,000 minors, $10,000 one game in the NHL).
3) He played in the KHL 2018/19. What was his salary? +/-
It is likely he plays in Rockford this year for $300,000. Will that be more, less, or about the same as what he made in 2016/17 and in 2018/19?
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Wednesday @ 10:31 AM ET
But Gus played on the right side some last season. Does anyone know which side he was better on, right or left?
- ToewsdNKanefusd

Sides really matter more for stay at home d-men. Gus (same with Jok) plays up so it’s not as difficult to play opp side once used to it.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Wednesday @ 10:34 AM ET
I wonder how much Patrick Maroon wants? I think he would be the perfect (cheap) fit for Toews and Kane. Seems like St. Louis isn't even attempting to resign him.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Dach Side
Joined: 02.23.2012

Wednesday @ 10:36 AM ET
Also consider that de Haan might not be ready to start the season. I know there's been speculation that Boqvist will get an NHL audition at that point but I don't see it happening. Dahlstrom and Koekkoek would likely rotate in the 6D spot if de Haan isn't ready.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Wednesday @ 10:36 AM ET
Something's got to give
- fattybeef


Play Maatta on the 2nd pairing and PP, then trade him if his stock goes up. He could potentially land a 1st rounder, as he is a talented offensive D when given the chance. I assume I am honestly shocked at all the LD you guys acquired. Gustafsson is basically pushed out of the lineup after notching 60 points??? It just doesn't add up to trade for DeHaan and Maatta each making 4M+ per season and playing behind Keith. Or is Keith available?
AEL_Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.18.2016

Wednesday @ 10:37 AM ET
HAWKS

Keith - Seabrook
de Haan - Murphy
Maatta - Gustafsson
Koekkoek

HOGS

Dahlstrom - Boqvist
Gilbert - Carlsson
Beaudin - Krys
Tuulola, Holm
AEL_Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.18.2016

Wednesday @ 10:37 AM ET
HAWKS

Keith - Seabrook
de Haan - Murphy
Maatta - Gustafsson
Koekkoek

HOGS

Dahlstrom - Boqvist
Gilbert - Carlsson
Beaudin - Krys
Tuulola, Holm

- AEL_Fox

I don't particularly like Keith having to support Gustafsson. Having a rover in Keith and an extra winger in Gustafsson doesn't fit, IMO. Pair up the veterans who have a history together.

de Haan with Murphy as the shutdown pair. Keep Dahlstrom or Holm up if de Haan needs more rehab time.

Maatta is the stay-at-home defender to allow Gustafsson to be the riverboat gambler and create offense like he wants to.
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