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GlennL
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Grayslake, IL
Joined: 03.02.2016

Aug 14 @ 6:36 PM ET
I agree
GlennL
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Grayslake, IL
Joined: 03.02.2016

Aug 14 @ 6:37 PM ET
I agree
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Aug 14 @ 7:17 PM ET
Gilbert comes in at 18 on sch's top 25 under 25.
- I Am The Breadman

I'm still surprised that Gravel was so far ahead of Lankinen. Lankinen has pro experience, as well as a World Championship.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 14 @ 8:53 PM ET
I'm still surprised that Gravel was so far ahead of Lankinen. Lankinen has pro experience, as well as a World Championship.
- tvetter


Neither will ever play an NHL game so it’s a moot point.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Aug 14 @ 10:05 PM ET
I'm still surprised that Gravel was so far ahead of Lankinen. Lankinen has pro experience, as well as a World Championship.
- tvetter


You take their rating with a grain of salt. They are not in authority. The writer is paid to sell a story. No matter how good someone thinks Gravel is. Laakinen has accomplishments as a pro. Until Gravel plays a season as a pro, we cannnot fairly grade him.


I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Aug 15 @ 1:38 AM ET
I'm still surprised that Gravel was so far ahead of Lankinen. Lankinen has pro experience, as well as a World Championship.
- tvetter


Yeah, idk, I don't put too much credence into them. I think it's just clickbait & I fall for it all the time, hahaha!
13of39
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 08.26.2018

Aug 15 @ 2:32 AM ET
Seems like most teams have an extra D Man too many these days. Likely this is due to the impending Expansion draft, no?
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Aug 15 @ 6:31 AM ET
Yeah, idk, I don't put too much credence into them. I think it's just clickbait & I fall for it all the time, hahaha!
- I Am The Breadman

I usually read this series, but haven't this year. What was their reasoning for Gravel?
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Aug 15 @ 8:29 AM ET
I usually read this series, but haven't this year. What was their reasoning for Gravel?
- tvetter


https://www.secondcityhoc...ravel-20-analysis-outlook
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 15 @ 9:32 AM ET
Seems like most teams have an extra D Man too many these days. Likely this is due to the impending Expansion draft, no?
- 13of39



Injuries during the year, trade pieces at trade deadline, one defenseman gives you a dimension that another does not, and you match that D man against certain teams.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 15 @ 9:41 AM ET
You take their rating with a grain of salt. They are not in authority. The writer is paid to sell a story. No matter how good someone thinks Gravel is. Laakinen has accomplishments as a pro. Until Gravel plays a season as a pro, we cannnot fairly grade him.
- jhawk59


Correct bloggers and posters ratings, haven't seen one where they have talked to scouts or Hawks brain trust as to what they think about the player.

The rankings are determined by a composite score from six SCH writers and more than 70 readers. Each participant used their own metric of current ability and production against future projection to rank each player. The six SCH writers will make their ballots public after the series is completed.
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Aug 15 @ 1:17 PM ET
Great write up.

I wonder if Stan is kicking the tires on moving Gus. If they think Boqvist is ready, or even close, Gus probably fetches a decent prospect and first round pick to cash strapped team.

I think this is the play. Stan will see how Boqvist does in the preseason, if he shows, Hawks have depth and replacement to sell high on Gus.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 15 @ 1:35 PM ET
Great write up.

I wonder if Stan is kicking the tires on moving Gus. If they think Boqvist is ready, or even close, Gus probably fetches a decent prospect and first round pick to cash strapped team.

I think this is the play. Stan will see how Boqvist does in the preseason, if he shows, Hawks have depth and replacement to sell high on Gus.

- Bjm84



Wondered the same thing... I don't think Stan is going to just let him leave as a free agent.... I don't see him being resigned. He is the best option by far on PP1 so trading him this year probably hurts the Hawks playoff chances.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 15 @ 2:18 PM ET
Wondered the same thing... I don't think Stan is going to just let him leave as a free agent.... I don't see him being resigned. He is the best option by far on PP1 so trading him this year probably hurts the Hawks playoff chances.
- bhawks2241



If the Hawks are a playoff team I could see them keeping Gus to the end and losing him to free agency. Think of Gus as a long term rental that cost the team nothing to acquire.

If the Hawks are not a playoff team I expect he'll be dealt at the deadline.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Aug 15 @ 2:39 PM ET
If the Hawks are a playoff team I could see them keeping Gus to the end and losing him to free agency. Think of Gus as a long term rental that cost the team nothing to acquire.

If the Hawks are not a playoff team I expect he'll be dealt at the deadline.

- DarthKane

Works for me.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 15 @ 3:35 PM ET
If the Hawks are a playoff team I could see them keeping Gus to the end and losing him to free agency. Think of Gus as a long term rental that cost the team nothing to acquire.

If the Hawks are not a playoff team I expect he'll be dealt at the deadline.

- DarthKane


Makes sense to me. You think they would move him at the trade deadline regardless? Lets say Dach, Kubalik Shaw and Saad are all having really solid offensive years do the Hawks even need Gus offense from the backend?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 15 @ 3:46 PM ET
Makes sense to me. You think they would move him at the trade deadline regardless? Lets say Dach, Kubalik Shaw and Saad are all having really solid offensive years do the Hawks even need Gus offense from the backend?
- bhawks2241


You need someone from the backend that can carry it out, and if the above have solid seasons, it is because the Hawks can get it out of the zone cleanly
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Aug 15 @ 3:53 PM ET
Makes sense to me. You think they would move him at the trade deadline regardless? Lets say Dach, Kubalik Shaw and Saad are all having really solid offensive years do the Hawks even need Gus offense from the backend?
- bhawks2241


Yes, because you need some Dmen that can chip in and keep teams on their toes. You obviously don't need too many guys in that mold but when you got that Dman that can act like a forward it can be a nightmare for the opposition.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 15 @ 3:54 PM ET
You need someone from the backend that can carry it out, and if the above have solid seasons, it is because the Hawks can get it out of the zone cleanly
- LAHawk


True. He really is the only option at this point besides maybe Keith.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 15 @ 4:01 PM ET
Makes sense to me. You think they would move him at the trade deadline regardless? Lets say Dach, Kubalik Shaw and Saad are all having really solid offensive years do the Hawks even need Gus offense from the backend?
- bhawks2241



Yes, offensive d-men offer a different skill-set than forwards. Successful teams get offense from their back-end. I think the might need to make room for Mitchell at the end of the season, or at least be prepared to. Myabe that's Gus, more likely Koekkoek or Dahlstrom.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 15 @ 4:37 PM ET
Yes, offensive d-men offer a different skill-set than forwards. Successful teams get offense from their back-end. I think the might need to make room for Mitchell at the end of the season, or at least be prepared to. Myabe that's Gus, more likely Koekkoek or Dahlstrom.
- DarthKane

In terms of mail carriers from the backend, currently Gustafsson and Keith are those guys. Boqvist possibly if the coaching staff feel he is ready at any point this season.

Next season, I imagine Boqvist and Mitchell will be the mail carriers along with Keith making it possible to consider moving on from Gustafsson.

Then by 2021-22 and beyond, other D prospects like Beaudin and Krys as well as Galvas could be joining the ranks. All of them are puck movers.
just69sayin
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago
Joined: 11.15.2014

Aug 15 @ 4:50 PM ET
Yeah, idk, I don't put too much credence into them. I think it's just clickbait & I fall for it all the time, hahaha!
- I Am The Breadman

We should start calling it crack bait with how addicting it can be to quick click on a link and get more info regardless of its credibility. I should have walked out the door already but wanted to check out some info here first. Only a few easy clicks away, I couldn't stop myself! lol
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Aug 15 @ 4:57 PM ET
In terms of mail carriers from the backend, currently Gustafsson and Keith are those guys. Boqvist possibly if the coaching staff feel he is ready at any point this season.

Next season, I imagine Boqvist and Mitchell will be the mail carriers along with Keith making it possible to consider moving on from Gustafsson.

Then by 2021-22 and beyond, other D prospects like Beaudin and Krys as well as Galvas could be joining the ranks. All of them are puck movers.

- AEL_Fox


What if Gus starts getting the defensive side of the game, should they still trade him or let him walk?
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Aug 15 @ 5:28 PM ET
Yes, because you need some Dmen that can chip in and keep teams on their toes. You obviously don't need too many guys in that mold but when you got that Dman that can act like a forward it can be a nightmare for the opposition.
- breadbag


What can really drive a team"s success is when there is one dman in each pair whom can lug the puck around and distribute it. Good skaters, good passers. Then you have the potential of a cohesive five man unit attacking, swarming creating havoc. When the other team is out of position because our team is adroitly skilled, then you have a game of turnovers and strategic execution.

I am anxiously awaiting a Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin led charge. Either Gus or Kyrs would be icing on the cake as third pair generators. Of course a team needs competent ability in playing defense from their
dmen of the Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin ilk.

The process until our team's defense has the correct players to perform within those defense pairings, that process yes it begins this fall. You cannot put a lot of new to NHL guys on same defense as in breaking them in all at the same time.....i will be clear with disclaimer not all can step into a lineup with so much inexperience.

This is why you need some veterans; namely, Keith. DeHahn too. And Seabrook in limited role perhaps

This season the following dmen will make a case for their value and if they could fit in down the road when it is going to be all about the new age defense shaping up on the Chicago blueline:.Murphy, Maata, Gus, Holm, Koekkoek, Dahlstrom.

Both Murphy and Maata do not have the wheels ideally desired and better suited for the always increasingly moving toward speed (very good skating ability in general) dogmatic principal of how teams want to play the game.

Skating: Dehahn and Keith are fine. Carlsson is fine should he develop. Kyrs obviously yes. Gilbert is borderline.

Koekkoek, Dahlstrom, Murphy and Holm need to be sound, defensively, to stay the course in Chicago. GUS TOO OBVIOUSLY. It is not just skating as an issue you look at with them

I really do see some current dmen expected to play for us this year as a one or two year placeholder. The new defense will emerge. Contrition due to prospect development and expansion is going to occur.

It makes sense that Keith and Dehahn represent leading contender status to be the players whom will work and help guide new age defense both now and at least for two seasons. Seabrook contract means he is here and perhaps his experience will be useful if does still play this year and next..

Just how soon the kids advance is going to balance out with having one or two dmen within the group whom have that physical checking descent size description. The playoffs showed that you need that balance although the trend will continue to be a preponderance of more puck movers than the slow afoot physical Seabrook and Chara type.

Nonetheless on.the horizon there is a transition to five man units with a mobile skilled dman in each pair. You might see how this looks more at the AHL level for this year and next depending upon how fast kids develop and if Gus is moved



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glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Aug 15 @ 6:20 PM ET
Ok this one is EASY: who wrote this in a HB blog today?

I think it's safe to say that barring absolute craziness, the Hawks, Canucks, Wild, Kings and Ducks are all but certain to miss the playoffs.
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