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Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jul 18 @ 11:04 AM ET
Todd Cordell: Wayne Simmonds' poor 2018-19 season was not a one-off
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jul 18 @ 11:05 AM ET
He also played on a team that kept going down as well.
Mewsik2myears
New Jersey Devils
Location: Just Win Baby, NJ
Joined: 08.29.2013

Jul 18 @ 11:13 AM ET
He also played on a team that kept going down as well.



So safe to say Jamie Benn could never have played for a team like that...
mcjags
New Jersey Devils
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 06.12.2007

Jul 18 @ 11:27 AM ET
I was never expecting him to put up numbers like he did in the past, I think it's more about trying to protect Hughes a bit. He'll create some space, and act as a net front presence on the PP. I'm only expecting about 30-35 points from him. This comes out as a good signing if the number of liberties taken against Hughes is minimal.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jul 18 @ 11:59 AM ET
So safe to say Jamie Benn could never have played for a team like that...
- Mewsik2myears


Jamie Benn? When did he get into this conversation?
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jul 18 @ 11:59 AM ET
I don’t know what to expect but it seems weird for a player to put up his best year at age 27 and say he’s done at 30. Especially when he did have some very substantial injuries.

So I’m optimistic he bounces back a bit; but if not we can be thankful he’s on a one year contract.

And if he can’t regain some form would he be an effective 3rd liner?
Coburns_Nose
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Coburn's face
Joined: 11.16.2012

Jul 18 @ 12:19 PM ET
you don't judge a guy like Simmonds by his 5 on 5 stats

obviously his 5 on 5 performance matters, but the best things about him are other things
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
Wayne Simmonds is not a traditional "power forward." He was big and lanky, never really used his size offensively, and was never a guy who could really light you up with a hit. What he did do (up until 2 years ago) was back down from no one, get in on the forecheck, outwork people in corners, and would hit with what he had.

I don't think his decline is because he was a "power forward" it's more the miles he's put with some rather serious injuries he tried to play through.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
I don’t know what to expect but it seems weird for a player to put up his best year at age 27 and say he’s done at 30. Especially when he did have some very substantial injuries.

So I’m optimistic he bounces back a bit; but if not we can be thankful he’s on a one year contract.

And if he can’t regain some form would he be an effective 3rd liner?

- Queenie_5_hole


We saw how effective maroon was for us, while he most likely won't be as good as he once was I still think Simmonds will help out and provide another dimension and have that big body in front on the PP and someone to bang in rebounds 5v5

I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't doing well they limit his mins and use him on the PP
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Jul 18 @ 12:35 PM ET
Watching Simmonds play almost every game he played in Philly I was tickled to see him go as he is obvious decline and is nowhere as tough as some think he is. He has character but he is not a heavyweight. He cost the Flyers a playoff spot a couple years ago by not chipping a puck out at the blueline which was an easy chip out. He flubbed it. On a positive he had some great years as a Flyer and I used to love his play. This game is like any job, it is what you do for me now and not what you did in the past. Good luck Wayne.
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Jul 18 @ 12:37 PM ET
Wayne Simmonds is not a traditional "power forward." He was big and lanky, never really used his size offensively, and was never a guy who could really light you up with a hit. What he did do (up until 2 years ago) was back down from no one, get in on the forecheck, outwork people in corners, and would hit with what he had.

I don't think his decline is because he was a "power forward" it's more the miles he's put with some rather serious injuries he tried to play through.

- jmatchett383


Very well said and that is exactly how I see him. Loved him in the early years but the decline was obvious.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 18 @ 12:41 PM ET
Watching Simmonds play almost every game he played in Philly I was tickled to see him go as he is obvious decline and is nowhere as tough as some think he is. He has character but he is not a heavyweight. He cost the Flyers a playoff spot a couple years ago by not chipping a puck out at the blueline which was an easy chip out. He flubbed it. On a positive he had some great years as a Flyer and I used to love his play. This game is like any job, it is what you do for me now and not what you did in the past. Good luck Wayne.
- joegreif17


At no point in the past 6 years have the Flyers missed a playoff spot by 2 points or fewer, so I'm gonna call bullpoop that him not chipping a puck out in a single game cost them a playoff spot a couple years back (unless I'm forgetting a year). Also, saying a team missed a playoff spot because of one specific play is just blatantly wrong.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jul 18 @ 12:44 PM ET
At no point in the past 6 years have the Flyers missed a playoff spot by 2 points or fewer, so I'm gonna call bullpoop that him not chipping a puck out in a single game cost them a playoff spot a couple years back. Also, saying a team missed a playoff spot because of one specific play is just blatantly wrong.
- jmatchett383


Well the refs stole the cup from Jersey against La because one play, sooooo.

But I KNOW Simmonds is gonna have a great season, especially on the PP.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 18 @ 12:45 PM ET
Well the refs stole the cup from Jersey against La because one play, sooooo.

But I KNOW Simmonds is gonna have a great season, especially on the PP.

- Leniwm1


Maybe if the Devils don't go down 3-0 they don't have to kill off the major.

But Simmonds will likely pot 15-22.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jul 18 @ 12:46 PM ET
Maybe if the Devils don't go down 3-0 they don't have to kill off the major.

But Simmonds will likely pot 15-22.

- jmatchett383


I look forward to his net presense on the PP that we didnt have since Parise left.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 18 @ 1:06 PM ET
I look forward to his net presense on the PP that we didnt have since Parise left.
- Leniwm1


He'll give you that, just don't expect much more.

Again, I hope he scores 60 goals, wins the Art Ross/Hart, and you guys miss the playoffs by 70 points.

All in good fun.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jul 18 @ 1:26 PM ET
or maybe the Devils don't have to kill a major penalty if the refs don't call the first ever boarding major in a Cup Finals elimination game...

onus is on the ref for that call. It's on Jersey for losing the series, but that call was monumental, just like the major called in the Sharks game. You can't underestimate what a major penalty can do for a Cup Finals-level team hell-bent on ya know, winning the Stanley Cup.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 18 @ 1:33 PM ET
or maybe the Devils don't have to kill a major penalty if the refs don't call the first ever boarding major in a Cup Finals elimination game...

onus is on the ref for that call. It's on Jersey for losing the series, but that call was monumental, just like the major called in the Sharks game. You can't underestimate what a major penalty can do for a Cup Finals-level team hell-bent on ya know, winning the Stanley Cup.

- MartysBetter88


I don't disagree. But just like the Sharks game, maybe don't let up 4 PPG (in this case, 3) and it's not an issue. Or, again, maybe win one of the first 3 games (first 2 went to OT) and you can live with losing Game 6. Huge call, but not the reason they lose the series. Lost the game... well, let's just say it was a huge factor.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 18 @ 1:34 PM ET
Of course not. He's 30 and plays that physical style. Guys fall off a cliff around his age. He's like Lucic, but did not get that long-term deal (Because teams have learned).
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jul 18 @ 1:38 PM ET
I don't disagree. But just like the Sharks game, maybe don't let up 4 PPG (in this case, 3) and it's not an issue. Or, again, maybe win one of the first 3 games (first 2 went to OT) and you can live with losing Game 6. Huge call, but not the reason they lose the series. Lost the game... well, let's just say it was a huge factor.
- jmatchett383


well you need to lose the game to lose the series. The previous games provided them the opportunity to be in the series, they were a part of the series, but elimination games decide the series on their own.. otherwise we'd be looking to game 2 to decide if a team advances or doesn't in an elimination game 6, for example. I know that goes both ways lol, but still.. game 6 decides game 6, and if it so happens that game 6 decides the series.. then losing that game will end the series. I stand by the fact that if you give one of the 2 best teams in the league (since it is the Finals), a man advantage for 5 minutes.. the other team is going to have a damn difficult time not being scored on. Then when that top 2 team does inevitably score, they get momentum.. and STILL have one extra player than the team they have momentum against.

you gotta have a crystal clear infraction to call a major in a playoff elimination game.. let alone the STANLEY CUP FINAL. beyond egregious.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 18 @ 2:11 PM ET
well you need to lose the game to lose the series. The previous games provided them the opportunity to be in the series, they were a part of the series, but elimination games decide the series on their own.. otherwise we'd be looking to game 2 to decide if a team advances or doesn't in an elimination game 6, for example. I know that goes both ways lol, but still.. game 6 decides game 6, and if it so happens that game 6 decides the series.. then losing that game will end the series. I stand by the fact that if you give one of the 2 best teams in the league (since it is the Finals), a man advantage for 5 minutes.. the other team is going to have a damn difficult time not being scored on. Then when that top 2 team does inevitably score, they get momentum.. and STILL have one extra player than the team they have momentum against.

you gotta have a crystal clear infraction to call a major in a playoff elimination game.. let alone the STANLEY CUP FINAL. beyond egregious.

- MartysBetter88


Okay fine. The sole reason the Devils didn't win the 2012 Stanley Cup was because of a five minute major penalty.

Better?
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jul 18 @ 2:17 PM ET
Okay fine. The sole reason the Devils didn't win the 2012 Stanley Cup was because of a five minute major penalty.

Better?

- jmatchett383


you nailed it. smart man.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jul 18 @ 2:24 PM ET
Okay fine. The sole reason the Devils didn't win the 2012 Stanley Cup was because of a five minute major penalty.

Better?

- jmatchett383


no, but it had a massive contribution to losing that game, which coincidentally was an elimination game. If that call doesn't happen (and the boarding that could've gone AGAINST LA just seconds prior to the Major was actually called...) the Devils have a fair chance of winning the game.. and then it's game 7. It's not like this was a sweep.. to that point LA had won just 1 more game than NJ in the 5 games they played.. 3-2. The first 2 games were won by LA in OT, and NJ had just won games 4 and 5.. some momentum coming into game 6.. .and then a freaking boarding major. And who could forget.. the ref SEEING Volchenkov coming.. and skating DIRECTLY into his path.. ultimately leading to LA's 4th goal. I'll never forget. If the refs don't get involved, and LA doesn't do anything 5v5.. the Devils would've gone into the 3rd up 1-0. poof.

It was LA in 6, and on the 6th game they were granted a bogus 5 minute major and a ref interference on Volchenkov. Who's to say NJ doesn't win that game and then earn themselves a game 7? Just like SJ and the missed call on the hand pass or whatever it was.. refs robbing the other team of the opportunity that they EARNED. Officials have had beyond huge contributions to outcomes of games. It happens, it's not fair, and it sucks.

but it's sports, and at the end of the day we still have our lives to live lol.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM ET
well you need to lose the game to lose the series. The previous games provided them the opportunity to be in the series, they were a part of the series, but elimination games decide the series on their own.. otherwise we'd be looking to game 2 to decide if a team advances or doesn't in an elimination game 6, for example. I know that goes both ways lol, but still.. game 6 decides game 6, and if it so happens that game 6 decides the series.. then losing that game will end the series. I stand by the fact that if you give one of the 2 best teams in the league (since it is the Finals), a man advantage for 5 minutes.. the other team is going to have a damn difficult time not being scored on. Then when that top 2 team does inevitably score, they get momentum.. and STILL have one extra player than the team they have momentum against.

you gotta have a crystal clear infraction to call a major in a playoff elimination game.. let alone the STANLEY CUP FINAL. beyond egregious.

- MartysBetter88


You never know.... but I always felt we were outgunned in that series. LA was a tough team.

The OT losses to start the series were rough.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jul 18 @ 3:30 PM ET
You never know.... but I always felt we were outgunned in that series. LA was a tough team.

The OT losses to start the series were rough.

- Queenie_5_hole


Oh I agree, I felt that way too. OT losses to start hurt.. could go either way. The better team won that series, but I feel we were robbed of game 6. Maybe we lose that game anyway, but maybe not.. we'll never know. Then it comes down to a winner take all game 7 and hopefully the Devils would've mustered the magic to win it.

life goes on.
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