HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Which Central Division team has had the worst off-season to date?

Glad Tessier recognized the unsigned Laine and Connors as a negative on the Roster "to date". Somehow Cordell assumes RFAs are all signed when looking at the Roster "TO DATE".... As he did with the Pacific and the Flames with Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich and Mangiapane. Flames definitely the worst Pacific off season based on signed roster "TO DATE".

Glad Tessier recognized the unsigned Laine and Connors as a negative on the Roster "to date". Somehow Cordell assumes RFAs are all signed when looking at the Roster "TO DATE".... As he did with the Pacific and the Flames with Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich and Mangiapane. Flames definitely the worst Pacific off season based on signed roster "TO DATE".

The team still owns their rights, they're RFA's. The chances of players like Laine and Tkachuk being offersheated are close to 0. If those guys do happen to sign an offer sheet then the teams could either match or take the four 1sts it would take for them not to match and go shopping.

Unsigned RFA's in July isn't that big of a deal. Losing players to UFA or making poor trades during the offseason is going to have the bigger impact come September.

last I checked the Jets were undefeated in July so id say they look great.

The team still owns their rights, they're RFA's. The chances of players like Laine and Tkachuk being offersheated are close to 0. If those guys do happen to sign an offer sheet then the teams could either match or take the four 1sts it would take for them not to match and go shopping.

Unsigned RFA's in July isn't that big of a deal. Losing players to UFA or making poor trades during the offseason is going to have the bigger impact come September.
- Saskabush

Again, a lot of assumptions. They may be in for another Nylander situation , player could demand a trade( Puljujarvi), offer Sheet kills cap or nothing left to shop for. If your boss asked for an update on your project "to date" and you distorted facts with assumptions, how do that work when a deliverable is delayed.

Again, a lot of assumptions. They may be in for another Nylander situation , player could demand a trade( Puljujarvi), offer Sheet kills cap or nothing left to shop for. If your boss asked for an update on your project "to date" and you distorted facts with assumptions, how do that work when a deliverable is delayed.
- Elijah888

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. First off Bennett & Rittch & Mangpianne are going to arbitration & all will have contracts by the end of the month.
Whats so hard to understand about that? Tkachuk is like like any other high level RFA & are waiting to see how the market unfolds. There is simply no urgency at this point.
Oilers truly are the dung team of the Pacific at this stage of the offseason. If you do your research, Tkachuk has come & said he will not sign any offer sheets, unlike Pulji who refuses to even sign the qualifying offer from the Oilers & demanded a trade.

The Wild just want to be an 8 seed again. I think.

Again, a lot of assumptions. They may be in for another Nylander situation , player could demand a trade( Puljujarvi), offer Sheet kills cap or nothing left to shop for. If your boss asked for an update on your project "to date" and you distorted facts with assumptions, how do that work when a deliverable is delayed.
- Elijah888

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I think you answered your own question with your last sentance, explain to your boss that negotiations are ongoing. It wouldn't be a "distorted fact" or an "assumption" to say that we own the rights to those players, because we do.

Telling your boss that all is lost and the team is doomed because we haven't signed 4 RFA's in July would be a much bigger distortion of the facts than it would be to pencil them in the lineup with an asterisk

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. First off Bennett & Rittch & Mangpianne are going to arbitration & all will have contracts by the end of the month.
Whats so hard to understand about that? Tkachuk is like like any other high level RFA & are waiting to see how the market unfolds. There is simply no urgency at this point.
Oilers truly are the dung team of the Pacific at this stage of the offseason. If you do your research, Tkachuk has come & said he will not sign any offer sheets, unlike Pulji who refuses to even sign the qualifying offer from the Oilers & demanded a trade.
- Kevin R

Apparently Tkachuk said this... Arbitration dollars are what? Arbitration could kill options to sign Tkachuk unless they lessen the team elsewhere. Listen closely because the blinders are on. Try to understand what "to date" means. It means you evaluate all the facts including outstanding issues. If I reported this kind of incompetence I'd be fired. Tessier acknowledged it. Seems he wasn't included on the Pacific article. Come on Kevin... be better.

The Wild just want to be an 8 seed again. I think.
- jcragcrumple

Modelling themselves after the 09 Flames I see. I feel for you guys

Edit: thought you were a Wild fan, whoops

If they dont lock up Laine and Conner long term they're in trouble. That D looks thin after an old Dustin.

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I think you answered your own question with your last sentance, explain to your boss that negotiations are ongoing. It wouldn't be a "distorted fact" or an "assumption" to say that we own the rights to those players, because we do.

Telling your boss that all is lost and the team is doomed because we haven't signed 4 RFA's in July would be a much bigger distortion of the facts than it would be to pencil them in the lineup with an asterisk
- Saskabush

Can't believe the comprehension skills here. Listen I will make it simple. Both Oilers and Flames have a roster signed. If you put both on the ice today... who would have declined the most from last season. Simple question.. and that is the state "to date"

Yeah, I'm not really sure what Fenton is doing in Minny.

I think you are wrong "to date" laine and connor are still part of the jets organization. Can they old hold out or demand a trade yes. But it is idiotic to not include them on the team " to Date" Also when looking at who had the worst off season you should be looking at signing and contracts given. Since connor and laine are not signed it is a wash. Demanding on the contract they sign can improve or hurt their off season. Since the jets have not improved their defense they will struggle and be lucky to get past first round.

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Which Central Division team has had the worst off-season to date?
- ToddCordellVAN

I do not think it is fair to put Chevy in the hot seat. Look at the amazing non-signings he has done to ensure his high caliber core can remain intact:

Meyers 6M AAV (30M)
Trouba - BIG$$$
Tanev - 3.5M AAV (21M)
Armia- 2.6M AAV (5.2M)
Frolik - 4.3M (21M)
Hayes - 7M (49M)

And for the record, Trouba is a low IQ, indiscipline player who was an absolute cancer. Good riddance and I feel Pionk will eclipse the 32 point plateau his first season as a Jet. Took Trouba 5 seasons to complete that feat, and I am sure his next contract will be a risky one. With Appleton/Raslovic/Vesaleinan/Niku/Poolman all being NHL ready talent on the cheap, why would you overpay to keep these guys. Little and Kuli are slightly overpaid, but Chevy has done an excellent job avoiding dreadful contracts.

Minnie by all accounts has done nothing but ensuring a cap-crippled, old, fringe playoff team for the next few seasons. 5 seasons from now, they will still have 3 players inked for 21M AAV that average 37 years of age.........

I do not think it is fair to put Chevy in the hot seat. Look at the amazing non-signings he has done to ensure his high caliber core can remain intact:

Meyers 6M AAV (30M)
Trouba - BIG$$$
Tanev - 3.5M AAV (21M)
Armia- 2.6M AAV (5.2M)
Frolik - 4.3M (21M)
Hayes - 7M (49M)

And for the record, Trouba is a low IQ, indiscipline player who was an absolute cancer. Good riddance and I feel Pionk will eclipse the 32 point plateau his first season as a Jet. Took Trouba 5 seasons to complete that feat, and I am sure his next contract will be a risky one. With Appleton/Raslovic/Vesaleinan/Niku/Poolman all being NHL ready talent on the cheap, why would you overpay to keep these guys. Little and Kuli are slightly overpaid, but Chevy has done an excellent job avoiding dreadful contracts.

Minnie by all accounts has done nothing but ensuring a cap-crippled, old, fringe playoff team for the next few seasons. 5 seasons from now, they will still have 3 players inked for 21M AAV that average 37 years of age.........
- bikeguy99

Couldn't agree more. I guess everyone thinks we should've over-paid all these players cuz that's all that has happened with them... You also forgot Chariot for $3.5M for 3yrs I believe... I think we will surprise this year.

Apparently Tkachuk said this... Arbitration dollars are what? Arbitration could kill options to sign Tkachuk unless they lessen the team elsewhere. Listen closely because the blinders are on. Try to understand what "to date" means. It means you evaluate all the facts including outstanding issues. If I reported this kind of incompetence I'd be fired. Tessier acknowledged it. Seems he wasn't included on the Pacific article. Come on Kevin... be better.
- Elijah888

Arbitration numbers wont impact the Tkachuk deal at all. I think you need to be better. Once we have Bennett done & lets say 3.0 mill based on the Compher contract just signed today as a pretty good comparable, Rittch will be in the Mzarek area, maybe a tad less at 3.0 mill per & then you have Mangi, which doesnt matter because he isnt waiver eligible & Flames can start him in Stockton. Then we know what is left for Tkachuk. Because we have players going to Arbitration, we have buyout options, ie. Stone buyout will net us an extra 2.3 mill. Flames had a Brodie deal in place for Kadri, I am quite sure he can be moved & if cap space is all we are looking for then I guess the return will be underwhelming. Ditto for Frolik. Both of them are solid NHL players. So your conclusion of all these hard issues with Tkachuk is unfounded.
Is that better?

Couldn't agree more. I guess everyone thinks we should've over-paid all these players cuz that's all that has happened with them... You also forgot Chariot for $3.5M for 3yrs I believe... I think we will surprise this year.
- Thejetsfan

Frolik has been great value for that contract. One of the few UFA signings Tre never screwed up quite frankly. He's not a top 6 forward anymore but definitely a solid defensively responsible 3rd line guy. Our 3M line Tkachu-Backlund-Frolik was one of the best in the league. Quite sure analytics will verify that.

Yeah, I'm not really sure what Fenton is doing in Minny.
- Nucker101

I don't know how he hasn't been fired yet.

Modelling themselves after the 09 Flames I see. I feel for you guys

Edit: thought you were a Wild fan, whoops
- Saskabush

It's my Western conference team.

Sabres and wild. Things are going great

I do not think it is fair to put Chevy in the hot seat. Look at the amazing non-signings he has done to ensure his high caliber core can remain intact:

Meyers 6M AAV (30M)
Trouba - BIG$$$
Tanev - 3.5M AAV (21M)
Armia- 2.6M AAV (5.2M)
Frolik - 4.3M (21M)
Hayes - 7M (49M)

And for the record, Trouba is a low IQ, indiscipline player who was an absolute cancer. Good riddance and I feel Pionk will eclipse the 32 point plateau his first season as a Jet. Took Trouba 5 seasons to complete that feat, and I am sure his next contract will be a risky one. With Appleton/Raslovic/Vesaleinan/Niku/Poolman all being NHL ready talent on the cheap, why would you overpay to keep these guys. Little and Kuli are slightly overpaid, but Chevy has done an excellent job avoiding dreadful contracts.

Minnie by all accounts has done nothing but ensuring a cap-crippled, old, fringe playoff team for the next few seasons. 5 seasons from now, they will still have 3 players inked for 21M AAV that average 37 years of age.........
- bikeguy99

At no point has Trouba ever been a low iq player, nor has he been a locker room cancer. You don’t have to be a bitter ex here.

As for the point total comparison, Pionk got a lot of power play time that Trouba didn’t

Frolik has been great value for that contract. One of the few UFA signings Tre never screwed up quite frankly. He's not a top 6 forward anymore but definitely a solid defensively responsible 3rd line guy. Our 3M line Tkachu-Backlund-Frolik was one of the best in the league. Quite sure analytics will verify that.
- Kevin R

I was just talking about the guys we lost this past season, should've clarified that.... Frolik was solid as a Jet and didn't like to see him go. Wish we kept him at the time.

I was just talking about the guys we lost this past season, should've clarified that.... Frolik was solid as a Jet and didn't like to see him go. Wish we kept him at the time.
- Thejetsfan

Yeah I hear you but this is a young mans game now & they not only want most of the revenue pie but they want the ice time too. Frolik & his agent didnt like him getting such a reduced role going into a contract year. He'll be 32-33, so he'll be lucky to get a few scraps left when he becomes a UFA. He's still a decent functional Nhler.
Guys like him are going to get slammed from this RFA madness. Anyway, his agent was pretty verbal about it last year so we kind of have to part ways with him now. His return at the TDL will be higher than what it is now. Kind of like these inverted interest rates we are seeing now. Strange times.

If the Jets NHL ready rookies perform as expected the Jets should be fine. The biggest question will Maurice play them ahead of some older retreads he loves?