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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
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Jul 13 @ 9:57 AM ET
Do they have to go or do they have to be eligible?
- bobbyisno1



Posted from cap geek above, says if team has an arb filing.

Leafs do not have an arb filing.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 13 @ 9:58 AM ET
According to this, arbitration filing only triggers a buyout window outside the regular buyout period. Have a look

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq

- winsix



Just posted that too.

Leafs don't have an arb according to nhl.com
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jul 13 @ 10:03 AM ET
Just posted that too.

Leafs don't have an arb according to nhl.com

- burn


Even if they fully intended to use Ceci regularly this season, filing for arbitration would clearly have given them an extra option and this appears to be an oversight.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 13 @ 10:06 AM ET
According to this, ceci didn't file for arb.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...y-arbitration/c-308197820

- burn

that article is of 6th of july - i thought ottawa gave ceci the qualifying offer, then ceci filed for arb, he was traded to leafs, and the leafs actually agreed on a new deal with him quite sure pre 6th of july).

so leafs can buy out ceci - and that's prob the reason why they didnt frontload his contract with a signing bonus.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 13 @ 10:09 AM ET
Even if they fully intended to use Ceci regularly this season, filing for arbitration would clearly have given them an extra option and this appears to be an oversight.
- winsix



Hopefully their plan is to use for a period of time while dermott is getting healthy and boost his value and then trade him?

I saw a thing the other day saying that ceci cap hit could be beneficial in that it is higher than guys that would replace him (dermott for example) and if they use him at the start of the year it allows them to eat into kore of the Horton ltir (along with hyman and dermott who likely start on ltir) and then later in the year the replace him with a lower cap hit (dermott, one of the prospects, through a trade) that will allow them to accrue cap space
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 13 @ 10:11 AM ET
that article is of 6th of july - i thought ottawa gave ceci the qualifying offer, then ceci filed for arb, he was traded to leafs, and the leafs actually agreed on a new deal with him quite sure pre 6th of july).

so leafs can buy out ceci - and that's prob the reason why they didnt frontload his contract with a signing bonus.

- MaximusAurelius



The article is dated July 11th. It does not say anything about ceci Filing for arb, so I'm gonna take their word.


Edit: and even if it was July 6th the leafs traded for him July 1. He's not on the list of players filed for arb on the nhl website.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
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Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 13 @ 10:20 AM ET
From capgeek:

Buyouts Outside of the Regular Period
Clubs whom have 1 or more arbitration filings may be permitted to perform a buyout outside of the regular window. This gives teams another opportunity to become cap compliant following an arbitration case.

Clubs are permitted to perform a buyout outside the regular period during the 48 hour period beginning on the third day after the final of

- burn[CBA 13(c)ii]:
Settlement of the Club's final arbitration case, or
Receipt of the Club's last arbitration award

damn, you got a secret version stacked away? loved capgeek!
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 13 @ 10:21 AM ET
The article is dated July 11th. It does not say anything about ceci Filing for arb, so I'm gonna take their word.
- burn

its strange leafs felt the needed to give him more than his qo then.
seems that leafs really believe that ceci will be better than anyone else thinks.. (chance of failure 95%+ in my opinion)
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 13 @ 10:32 AM ET
Just posted that too.

Leafs don't have an arb according to nhl.com

- burn

Because Dubas hands out money like candy on Hallowe'en.

Why go to arbitration, when you will probably get less?

Leafs are in cap hell.

Thanks Dubas, you stats geek puke.

Marner is going to get offer sheeted.

Should have drafted Laine.

Plan the parade.

1967
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 13 @ 10:39 AM ET
Beautiful parenting moment last night.

My daughter asked, "Dad, is it normal that I can see corn in my poo?"

I'm getty misty just typing this...

- Atomic Wedgie

21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 13 @ 10:52 AM ET
Because Dubas hands out money like candy on Hallowe'en.

Why go to arbitration, when you will probably get less?

Leafs are in cap hell.

Thanks Dubas, you stats geek puke.

Marner is going to get offer sheeted.

Should have drafted Laine.

Plan the parade.

1967

- Atomic Wedgie

spot on, but where's the offer sheets and tax issues
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 13 @ 10:53 AM ET
Because Dubas hands out money like candy on Hallowe'en.

Why go to arbitration, when you will probably get less?

Leafs are in cap hell.

Thanks Dubas, you stats geek puke.

Marner is going to get offer sheeted.

Should have drafted Laine.

Plan the parade.

1967

- Atomic Wedgie


All good points. Also, two firsts a second. Remember when they said you can't win with Kessel? Well, as soon as he moved he won, twice. So the lesson here is you can't win with Leafs.

And as we have seen recently, MLSE can't even plan a parade. Lmfaoooo. What a (frank)in joke.

Should've picked Hanifin.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 13 @ 11:04 AM ET
Because Dubas hands out money like candy on Hallowe'en.

Why go to arbitration, when you will probably get less?

Leafs are in cap hell.

Thanks Dubas, you stats geek puke.

Marner is going to get offer sheeted.

Should have drafted Laine.

Plan the parade.

1967

- Atomic Wedgie



Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 13 @ 11:20 AM ET
Just read the blog. BJs in an offer sheet eh? Funny that marners camp ruined their leverage lol
BorjeFan4Ever
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Jul 13 @ 11:33 AM ET
its strange leafs felt the needed to give him more than his qo then.
seems that leafs really believe that ceci will be better than anyone else thinks.. (chance of failure 95%+ in my opinion)

- MaximusAurelius


not trying to look at the world through rose colored glasses... but you've got to believe the guy will benefit from a fresh start... his last three seasons of defense partners haven't exactly been "mobile"... and he was playing behind Karlsson offensively which meant he probably saw little to no powerplay time - for a guy who was an offensive defenseman in junior... that identity change must have been tough.

maybe what Dubas sees is a guy who gets a fresh start - and who should be very motivated given that he's playing on what should be a much better team and for his next contract.

BorjeFan4Ever
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Jul 13 @ 11:34 AM ET
Because Dubas hands out money like candy on Hallowe'en.

Why go to arbitration, when you will probably get less?

Leafs are in cap hell.

Thanks Dubas, you stats geek puke.

Marner is going to get offer sheeted.

Should have drafted Laine.

Plan the parade.

1967

- Atomic Wedgie



Wedgie must have been doing tequila shots last night and early this morning....

seems to be very very grumpy

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 13 @ 11:34 AM ET
Hopefully their plan is to use for a period of time while dermott is getting healthy and boost his value and then trade him?

I saw a thing the other day saying that ceci cap hit could be beneficial in that it is higher than guys that would replace him (dermott for example) and if they use him at the start of the year it allows them to eat into kore of the Horton ltir (along with hyman and dermott who likely start on ltir) and then later in the year the replace him with a lower cap hit (dermott, one of the prospects, through a trade) that will allow them to accrue cap space

- burn

This.

People complain about how the contract is structured but it is for a reason. They pay guys millions to study the salary cap...let them do their thing.
BorjeFan4Ever
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Jul 13 @ 11:38 AM ET
Just read the blog. BJs in an offer sheet eh? Funny that marners camp ruined their leverage lol
- Aaron_85



I believe the league should be obligated to disclose all offer sheets made - whether signed or not signed.

Because I don't believe that there has been any serious ones.

Habs management got totally played by Aho's agent (which was nicely done)... and they took it hook line and sinker. I would go so far as to suggest that the agent wrote the contract details with the upfront payments... because that was what he was telling the Habs Aho wanted.

Marner obviously wants a short term - which no one is going to offer sheet him for and give up the 4 1st rounders. The longer this goes on the lower Marner's annual salary will go. Seems to me Marners agent and his dad's yapping a playing right into the Leafs narrative.

just remains to be seen whether Dubas has the cahones to not panic.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 13 @ 11:40 AM ET
Love Kadri. Hate seeing him go. Avs are getting a hella of a good player.
- systemtool

Yep.

You have to give to get.
n8butts
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Jul 13 @ 11:41 AM ET
I love Marner but if there is a trade to be had with Columbus for one of Seth Jones or Zach Werenski and Josh Anderson for Marner, I'd love that too! I'd prefer Jones and Anderson as Jones has a cap friendly salary for the next few years!

To TOR
Seth Jones
Josh Anderson

To COL
Marner (Sign and trade 8 year deal @ 12)

Would you do it? Would Columbus do it? Am I crazy?
TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Your Green Bin, ON
Joined: 03.29.2018

Jul 13 @ 11:42 AM ET
I believe should be obligated to disclose all offer sheets made - whether signed or not signed.

Because I don't believe that there has been any serious ones.

Habs management got totally played by Aho's agent (which was nicely done)... and they took it hook line and sinker. I would go so far as to suggest that the agent wrote the contract details with the upfront payments... because that was what he was telling the Habs Aho wanted.

Marner obviously wants a short term - which no one is going to offer sheet him for and give up the 4 1st rounders. The longer this goes on the lower Marner's annual salary will go. Seems to me Marners agent and his dad's yapping a playing right into the Leafs narrative.

just remains to be seen whether Dubas has the cahones to not panic.

- BorjeFan4Ever


No, offer sheets should remain private. Imagine the poop show that having to disclose them would create? Nobody wants that - drame queen GMs would do it just to create a fuss.
TrashPanda
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 03.29.2018

Jul 13 @ 11:43 AM ET
I love Marner but if there is a trade to be had with Columbus for one of Seth Jones or Zach Werenski and Josh Anderson for Marner, I'd love that too! I'd prefer Jones and Anderson as Jones has a cap friendly salary for the next few years!

To TOR
Seth Jones
Josh Anderson

To COL
Marner (Sign and trade 8 year deal @ 12)

Would you do it? Would Columbus do it? Am I crazy?

- n8butts


Yes.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 07.11.2006

Jul 13 @ 11:52 AM ET
Mike Augello: Were the Blue Jackets contemplating a Marner offer sheet?
- mikeinbuffalo

c’mon dubass😓

do a trade😓

what a (frank)ing joke 🤦‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration 👍
BorjeFan4Ever
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Jul 13 @ 12:07 PM ET
No, offer sheets should remain private. Imagine the poop show that having to disclose them would create? Nobody wants that - drame queen GMs would do it just to create a fuss.
- TrashPanda


the current situation we get even bigger drama queens like Dreger spewing volumes of absolute conjecture as "insider info"...

and I disagree.. the GMs for the most part would want to keep quiet about offers... that way they only make one if genuinely serious

leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Jul 13 @ 12:09 PM ET
Aye, why would the Leafs buy Ceci out? They could have just not signed him to begin with. I don't love the player either, but we still needed someone to play those minutes. Do you see Harpur playing second pairing?
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