I'd agree with you in most cases, because I think Marner is very, very, very good.

But if I had to take one defenseman in the entire league to start building around.

It would be Seth Jones.

I wouldn't trade Jones for Marner 1 for 1.

But I guess that's just an opinion.
- Scabeh

not to mention. D points dont mean a lot..or shouldnt.

If you care about actual Defense

I'd agree with you in most cases, because I think Marner is very, very, very good.

But if I had to take one defenseman in the entire league to start building around.

It would be Seth Jones.

I wouldn't trade Jones for Marner 1 for 1.

But I guess that's just an opinion.
- Scabeh

Not Dahlin?

not to mention. D points dont mean a lot..or shouldnt.

If you care about actual Defense
- senstroll

Top defensemen will find a way to produce while being excellent defensively. While also eating big minutes.

That's what Jones does.

Let's not forget getting 46 points last year was actually a drop from his 57 the year before.

I'd agree with you in most cases, because I think Marner is very, very, very good.

But if I had to take one defenseman in the entire league to start building around.

It would be Seth Jones.

I wouldn't trade Jones for Marner 1 for 1.

But I guess that's just an opinion.
- Scabeh

There are many that agree with you and I respect your opinion, it wouldn't be the end of the world, but Marner has that dogged drive - like Gallagher - but with more skill and younger. Hard to trade that.

Not Dahlin?
- TheMussel

Not as of right now, but that could easily change.

I just haven't seen enough of him to justify putting him ahead of Jones in my book.

Top defensemen will find a way to produce while being excellent defensively. While also eating big minutes.

That's what Jones does.

Let's not forget getting 46 points last year was actually a drop from his 57 the year before.
- Scabeh

He's getting old and slow.

NO THANK YOU

There are many that agree with you and I respect your opinion, it wouldn't be the end of the world, but Marner has that dogged drive - like Gallagher - but with more skill and younger. Hard to trade that.
- winsix

Oh for sure. He's a keeper.

He's getting old and slow.

NO THANK YOU
- TheMussel

You should know by now that's how I love my defensemen!

We could also just let Hainsey walk.. I hear Ottawa is willing to give him $3.5M
- PatC80

That's insane. There's no way anyone is dumb enough to give Hainsey $3.5m

Marner should take the same path as Nylander and wait till the very last minute and get the deal that lets him walk as an UFA in 4 years. If Marner waits till Dec 1st, he will not get above 9 Mil as the Leafs couldn't take that cap hit without trading a player or two first, but he could get 8.5 for 4 years and then walk to the highest bidder. It seems fairly apparent that the Leafs and Marner are going in different directions with the chasm growing day by day.
- malcolmthornton

Or the Leafs can let him sit out the year and spend the 10.5 else where.

Not as of right now, but that could easily change.

I just haven't seen enough of him to justify putting him ahead of Jones in my book.
- Scabeh

Yup, Jones is a beast. Better then Rielly, id say. Could be close though, because Rielly is also a beast.

That's insane. There's no way anyone is dumb enough to give Hainsey $3.5m
- Monkeypunk

For 3.5 they could have added a 20 goal scorer like Dzingel

You should know by now that's how I love my defensemen!
- Scabeh

Hold your horses, last I heard Jones can still walk.

Hold your horses, last I heard Jones can still walk.
- TheMussel

Really?

Bummer.

He can't afford to wait past the season opener, because the cap hit this year will put Leafs over. Don't have the room they had when they let Nylander sit.
- winsix

They have 10.5 the cap hit will be the same no matter when he signs.

They have 10.5 the cap hit will be the same no matter when he signs.
- bobbyisno1

It becomes pro-rated over the number of games played. Nylander's AAV over his contract is about $6.962 a year. Because he signed late last year his cap hit was about $10.278 - last year only. Leafs don't have room for that kind of hit this year.

It becomes pro-rated over the number of games played. Nylander's AAV over his contract is about $6.962 a year. Because he signed late last year his cap hit was about $10.278 - last year only. Leafs don't have room for that kind of hit this year.
- winsix

The leafs cap space stays the same.
It becomes pro rated for the player, Nylander had a 10.4 million dollar first year on his contract and 6.9 the rest of the way.

That's insane. There's no way anyone is dumb enough to give Hainsey $3.5m
- Monkeypunk

I read it once on HB. I think Ek posted it and gave it an E5 rating

The leafs cap space stays the same.
It becomes pro rated for the player, Nylander had a 10.4 million dollar first year on his contract and 6.9 the rest of the way.
- bobbyisno1

Have a look at the clause on Cap Friendly

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/william-nylander

CONTRACT NOTE: Because the player signed after season start as an RFA, the cap hit/AAV varies. Please see the FAQ for further explanation

Really?

Bummer.
- Scabeh

He's only too old if he gets dealt to Montreal. obviously

Have a look at the clause on Cap Friendly

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/william-nylander
- winsix

And, the Leafs still had the cap space.
He signed a contract that he got paid for the full yaer and that the Leafs had a smaller cap hit in the next years, cause last year they had the cap space to do it.

The leafs cap space stays the same.
It becomes pro rated for the player, Nylander had a 10.4 million dollar first year on his contract and 6.9 the rest of the way.
- bobbyisno1

It's a very complicated formula, but it has nothing to do with the up front bonus. It has to do with Average Salary, Term, days remaining in the current season. There are two calculations:

AAV for years 2+ is: (Salary * Days Remaining / Days in Schedule+(Salary+(Term-1)))/Term.

AAV for year 1 is: (AAV for years 2+)* Days in Schedule/Days remaining.

For Nylander, Salary is 7.3, he signed on December 1 for 7 years.

(7.3 * 127/186+(7.3*(7-1)))/7 = 6.96


6.96*186/127 = 10.19

I read it once on HB. I think Ek posted it and gave it an E5 rating
- PatC80

You can't argue the E5.

Have a look at the clause on Cap Friendly

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/william-nylander
- winsix

Also, cap hits only get pro rated for trades, if the leafs have 2 million in space at the trade dead line they can trade for a 5 million dollar player.

It's a very complicated formula, but it has nothing to do with the up front bonus. It has to do with Average Salary, Term, days remaining in the current season. There are two calculations:

AAV for years 2+ is: (Salary * Days Remaining / Days in Schedule+(Salary+(Term-1)))/Term.

AAV for year 1 is: (AAV for years 2+)* Days in Schedule/Days remaining.

For Nylander, Salary is 7.3, he signed on December 1 for 7 years.

(7.3 * 127/186+(7.3*(7-1)))/7 = 6.96


6.96*186/127 = 10.19
- Monkeypunk

Again that is for the player, leafs keep their entire cap room the entire year, if they don't use it.