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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 12 @ 9:42 PM ET
I'm not real high on his upside. But if he or McCann or a prospect takes the job, they'll need cap dumps next year to. For now, with only questionable other options, I'd rather find space elsewhere.

He at least put up 8 goals in his 32 games an had 30 assists just last year so he is capable.

- Tojo.


I obviously want to see a larger sample-size and him play against better competition before plugging him as the Pens' 3C. I do feel he's going to be a very good 4C.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 12 @ 11:15 PM ET
Chucky training for his next top 6 audition

https://twitter.com/agall.../1149696547438977024?s=21
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 13 @ 12:04 AM ET
Personally, I like Bjugstad as our 3C. I thought that line with him Simon, and Hornqvist had some really nice offensive zone time where they didn’t produce a ton but they ate up the clock and gained some momentum. He’s big, he hits, he’s ok on draws, has a history of not being a possession anchor, he’s used to starting in the D zone, his possession quality is fine. He’s not a sniper - he’s a volume shooter but once in a while he gets ahold of it. When he was with Florida he jumped in to fight Oleksiak when he was running around.

Bonino had 25 ES points with higher TOI for his final full year as a Pen and he saw a fair amount of time as HBK and time with Rust and Guentzel. Bones also had negative possession quality in 16/17. I would peg Bjugstad for 35 points as 3C next year. Besides Sid and Jake he saw the highest QoC which is obviously a factor

Guys talked about this a couple days ago or whatever. It took us so long to find a stable 3C and now we have one. Centers carry more value than wings in this league. I like both guys but right now if I have to keep one I keep Bjugstad and hope Rust finds an good opportunity like in Deadmonton
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 13 @ 6:04 AM ET
Personally, I like Bjugstad as our 3C. I thought that line with him Simon, and Hornqvist had some really nice offensive zone time where they didn’t produce a ton but they ate up the clock and gained some momentum. He’s big, he hits, he’s ok on draws, has a history of not being a possession anchor, he’s used to starting in the D zone, his possession quality is fine. He’s not a sniper - he’s a volume shooter but once in a while he gets ahold of it. When he was with Florida he jumped in to fight Oleksiak when he was running around.

Bonino had 25 ES points with higher TOI for his final full year as a Pen and he saw a fair amount of time as HBK and time with Rust and Guentzel. Bones also had negative possession quality in 16/17. I would peg Bjugstad for 35 points as 3C next year. Besides Sid and Jake he saw the highest QoC which is obviously a factor

Guys talked about this a couple days ago or whatever. It took us so long to find a stable 3C and now we have one. Centers carry more value than wings in this league. I like both guys but right now if I have to keep one I keep Bjugstad and hope Rust finds an good opportunity like in Deadmonton

- WSCTeton17


I think Bjugstad > Bonino

People have warm fuzzy nostalgia for Bones. I can see through it.

Having said this I don't think I'd mind that much if the season started with Teddy 3C and A. Johnson 4C
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 13 @ 6:40 AM ET
Ryan Wilson sounded somewhat human.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 9:33 AM ET
I think Bjugstad > Bonino

People have warm fuzzy nostalgia for Bones. I can see through it.

Having said this I don't think I'd mind that much if the season started with Teddy 3C and A. Johnson 4C

- MattStrat

Bjugstad makes twice as much as Bonino did for an almost equal impact. That’s not good.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 9:34 AM ET
Ryan Wilson sounded somewhat human.
- Grinder47

And you said Simon should crash his car...

Nobody gives a (frank) what you have to say.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 13 @ 10:08 AM ET
Bjugstad makes twice as much as Bonino did for an almost equal impact. That’s not good.
- Feds91Stammer

Did being the key word used. Right now they make the same amount except Bjugstad is obviously much younger and I think he has a higher ceiling than Bones

IMO we never should’ve gone for Brass. It isn’t hindsight either. Many of us were ok with our centers at that time and wanted to either upgrade our D or go for a top 6 winger - we did neither. We should’ve stuck with Sheahan (who was rolling at the time), kept Cole, and we should’ve traded Hornqvist somewhere and replaced him with Kane/Skinner... a man can dream 😙
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 13 @ 10:10 AM ET
And you said Simon should crash his car...

Nobody gives a (frank) what you have to say.

- Feds91Stammer

Wow. I must’ve skipped over that. That’s some super messed up energy right there
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 13 @ 11:15 AM ET
So... anyone else wondering why JR hasn't made another trade yet?

Because, we do HAVE to trade away a bit more salary to resign Petterson and Bluegar, right?
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 13 @ 11:27 AM ET
So... anyone else wondering why JR hasn't made another trade yet?

Because, we do HAVE to trade away a bit more salary to resign Petterson and Bluegar, right?

- Guile

Eventually yes but you can sit 10% above the floor prior to that point. My guess is he has handshake deals in place for both but they have a mutual understanding that they’d rather not make a trade from a position of dire weakness. Just utter weakness.

Rust to Edmonton E4
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 11:47 AM ET
Did being the key word used. Right now they make the same amount except Bjugstad is obviously much younger and I think he has a higher ceiling than Bones

IMO we never should’ve gone for Brass. It isn’t hindsight either. Many of us were ok with our centers at that time and wanted to either upgrade our D or go for a top 6 winger - we did neither. We should’ve stuck with Sheahan (who was rolling at the time), kept Cole, and we should’ve traded Hornqvist somewhere and replaced him with Kane/Skinner... a man can dream 😙

- WSCTeton17

And that’s why Bonino is gone.

There is no ceiling for Bjugstad. He is what he is. A very meh center that is overpaid for what he provides.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 13 @ 11:56 AM ET
And that’s why Bonino is gone.

There is no ceiling for Bjugstad. He is what he is. A very meh center that is overpaid for what he provides.

- Feds91Stammer

Yeah you’re right. Those 4 seasons of 40+ pace production definitely didn’t happen and even if they did there’s a 0.00% chance that he could ever hit 49 again playing as a top 6 winger (which Tojo and I believe Rino are in favor of looking at). I mean he’s regressing, right? At 26 he’s done and probably won’t even hit the 33 point pace he had last year. Man is he junk

...

He’s a season removed from 48 points where only 7 came by way of the PP. Will he produce like that as a 3C? Of course not, that’s pretty absurd to expect. Is he versatile enough to play top 6 wing and 3C with a basement of probably 30 points? I’d surely say so. Who are other similar players around the same age offering the same level of production?
jchst22
Joined: 01.24.2013

Jul 13 @ 12:24 PM ET
So... anyone else wondering why JR hasn't made another trade yet?

Because, we do HAVE to trade away a bit more salary to resign Petterson and Bluegar, right?

- Guile

Aren’t you allowed to be over the cap until a certain deadline? If there’s no rush then waiting is better. Let gms see how their rosters are shaping and maybe they will come to you
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 13 @ 12:24 PM ET
Bjugstad makes twice as much as Bonino used to make at a time the cap was about 6 or 7 mill less, therefore having a very similar % of cap space, for an almost equal impact.
- Feds91Stammer


Fixed that for you.

I also clearly remember when Bjugstad was traded to the Pens you saying he had better defense metrics than Bones.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 12:37 PM ET
Fixed that for you.

I also clearly remember when Bjugstad was traded to the Pens you saying he had better defense metrics than Bones.

- MattStrat

Nah. Never been a fan of Bjugstad. He carries that first round pick pedigree which make people overrate him.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 13 @ 12:39 PM ET
Nah. Never been a fan of Bjugstad. He carries that first round pick pedigree which make people overrate him.
- Feds91Stammer


I never said that you said you were a fan of him.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Jul 13 @ 12:57 PM ET
Eventually yes but you can sit 10% above the floor prior to that point. My guess is he has handshake deals in place for both but they have a mutual understanding that they’d rather not make a trade from a position of dire weakness. Just utter weakness.

Rust to Edmonton E4

- WSCTeton17


There could be some validity to Rust to Edmonton. If the rumour is true that they have a deal in place for Lucic after he is paid his signing bonus I could see Rust for Pulijarvi (how however it’s spelled).

Unless the Pens are the ones trading for Lucic.
JJ+Rust for Lucic + Pulijarvi
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Jul 13 @ 12:58 PM ET
Eventually yes but you can sit 10% above the floor prior to that point. My guess is he has handshake deals in place for both but they have a mutual understanding that they’d rather not make a trade from a position of dire weakness. Just utter weakness.

Rust to Edmonton E4

- WSCTeton17


There could be some validity to Rust to Edmonton. If the rumour is true that they have a deal in place for Lucic after he is paid his signing bonus I could see Rust for Pulijarvi (how however it’s spelled).

Unless the Pens are the ones trading for Lucic.
JJ+Rust for Lucic + Pulijarvi
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 13 @ 1:07 PM ET
There could be some validity to Rust to Edmonton. If the rumour is true that they have a deal in place for Lucic after he is paid his signing bonus I could see Rust for Pulijarvi (how however it’s spelled).

Unless the Pens are the ones trading for Lucic.
JJ+Rust for Lucic + Pulijarvi

- stackthepads


Gross

Not even sure if I'd do it if the Oil kept back 50%
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Jul 13 @ 1:49 PM ET
Gross

Not even sure if I'd do it if the Oil kept back 50%

- RoloTahmasee


I would in heartbeat if they retained 50%.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 13 @ 1:49 PM ET
Gross

Not even sure if I'd do it if the Oil kept back 50%

- RoloTahmasee

I would actually but I don’t think Edmonton would, not at 50% anyways. Maybe 33%? I think some type of pick might have to go their way

McCann-Sid-Guentzel
Galchenyuk-Malkin-Kahun
Simon-Bjugstad-Hornqvist
Lucic-Blueger-Tanev
ZAR

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Schultz
Hutton-Gudbranson (limited TOI, say 14 minutes)
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 13 @ 1:50 PM ET
I would actually but I don’t think Edmonton would, not at 50% anyways. Maybe 33%? I think some type of pick might have to go their way

McCann-Sid-Guentzel
Galchenyuk-Malkin-Kahun
Simon-Bjugstad-Hornqvist
Lucic-Blueger-Tanev
ZAR

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Schultz
Hutton-Gudbranson (limited TOI, say 14 minutes)

- WSCTeton17

This doesn’t even include Pulj mind you
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 13 @ 2:05 PM ET
Aren’t you allowed to be over the cap until a certain deadline? If there’s no rush then waiting is better. Let gms see how their rosters are shaping and maybe they will come to you
- jchst22


Eventually yes but you can sit 10% above the floor prior to that point. My guess is he has handshake deals in place for both but they have a mutual understanding that they’d rather not make a trade from a position of dire weakness. Just utter weakness.

Rust to Edmonton E4

- WSCTeton17



I wasn't trying to imply we 'needed' to trade now, because yes, you can be 10% over for awhile. But, JR is known to get deals done sooner rather than later... which makes it a tad odd he hasn't gotten them done yet. I fully assume they will be done before the RFA's are signed.
Za Warudo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 04.20.2019

Jul 13 @ 2:10 PM ET
I would actually but I don’t think Edmonton would, not at 50% anyways. Maybe 33%? I think some type of pick might have to go their way

McCann-Sid-Guentzel
Galchenyuk-Malkin-Kahun
Simon-Bjugstad-Hornqvist
Lucic-Blueger-Tanev
ZAR

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Schultz
Hutton-Gudbranson (limited TOI, say 14 minutes)

- WSCTeton17


I’d do it, if for no other reason then it is easier to hide a trash forward than a trash Defenseman.

I remain optimistic that the next CBA negotiation will bring about compliance buyouts. There’s no rule that’s says you have to have a lockout to have compliance buyouts, it’s just simply worked out that way previously.
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