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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 1:09 PM ET
Not sure if anybody here is a tennis fan, but I really feel that the past 15 years have been the best era of tennis ever. I know the era before had Conners/McEnroe/Agassi/Sampras, but Federer/Nalad/Djokovic/Murray are a cut above, and the women's game has never been better. I will be sad when Federer and Nadal are gone, best rivalry I've ever seen, and a very friendly one.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:11 PM ET
Well, anyone can argue against it. You know that you can't trade Patrick or Konecny for better players because you need two to make a trade and the price point is another issue - not a good point. All I was saying is that if you already have players on your team, then you should play the best player in that position. Do you want to put lesser players on the ice just to give them experience? How much experience? When is does a player have enough experience to realize, 'Hey this is all he is going to be'? Coaches will do the right thing to win the games. If Braun is in the starting rotation when the season starts it is for a reason. If he is replaced during the season, it is for a reason. You used to argue that MacDonald should be a starting Dman, but he was standing in the way of other players - I don't get your shifting ideals.
- RustyPipes


Sure it's a good point. Are you telling me that the Flyers couldn't trade Patrick for an older player that is currently better? You want to play the best players. Where does that end?
I love when people bring up MacDonald in a foolish argument. The circumstances of a team change. When the Flyers signed MacDonald, they didn't have a stable of young NHL ready defenseman that they have now. My ideals haven't shifted. You just don't understand it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:13 PM ET
You said that and you know you did. It was the one time I saw you admit to being wrong on here.
- jmatchett383


Nope, I think that it is you that is wrong. I know what my opinion was at that time and how Filppula was used. You need to be better than this. Back to the drawing board.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 1:13 PM ET
Nope, I think that it is you that is wrong. I know what my opinion was at that time and how Filppula was used. You need to be better than this. Back to the drawing board.
- MJL


Well, you're either lying or delusional, but okay.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:15 PM ET
yeah, all true points. who is that young player that you speak of, outside of it being just a generalization? The only spot Braun is taking from a young kid are Hagg and Morin. Me personally, I think I've seen all of what Hagg is, and I would rather have Braun play a year with Sanheim as a stabilizer to allow Sanheim to be the player he is.


- sjk540


A player like Myers could be seeing less ice time this season playing on the 3rd pair versus the 2nd. I understand the idea of easing Myers in but it has a cumulative effect through the lineup. Braun might see 20 minutes of ice time a game. That is taking ice time away from young players.



That being said, I was hopeful that Morin was ready for a spot this year, and to your point then yes Braun blocks him and takes a year away from his development. I would much rather see what Morin can do than to see what I already know Hagg is, an average bottom pairing guy. Morin's potential alone, which we haven't really seen any of yet, is more intriguing to me than seeing what I anticipate as the ceiling for Hagg. Not that Hagg is a bad defenseman, he just doesn't do much for me.

My opinion is that the Braun trade was made for the simple fact he's a veteran, he's good in his own end, can help the PK, and he can teach a lot to the youth. Not only on the ice, but off the ice. And after this year, I would hope one of Morin, Friedman, a dark horse like York if he progresses that way after one year in the NCAA, or Zemula if she shocks the world, can be put into that spot. But obviously mostly Morin.

Can't argue the future looks bright in terms of our system and the talent within

- sjk540


We're in agreement.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:17 PM ET
Well, you're either lying or delusional, but okay.
- jmatchett383



As usual you have a forum here to prove it. Or you can just pull comments out of your ass and claim I said something. It's not going to work.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 1:20 PM ET
As usual you have a forum here to prove it. Or you can just pull comments out of your ass and claim I said something. It's not going to work.
- MJL


I'm not going to back through 2 years of blog comments to prove it. I have better things to do in life than to spend countless hours making you like like a bigger ass than you are. You do a fine enough job of that yourself.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:23 PM ET
I'm not going to back through 2 years of blog comments to prove it. I have better things to do in life than to spend countless hours making you like like a bigger ass than you are. You do a fine enough job of that yourself.
- jmatchett383

Lol anyone can say prove it!! I'm not back reading today blog let alone any others. You're not just right because someone said prove it and they can't* provide 3 clear examples in the past 6 months from prior blogs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:24 PM ET
I'm not going to back through 2 years of blog comments to prove it. I have better things to do in life than to spend countless hours making you like like a bigger ass than you are. You do a fine enough job of that yourself.
- jmatchett383


This is all your creation. If you're going to accuse somebody of saying something then be prepared to prove it. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself. I get a kick out of someone acting like a fool calling someone a fool. LOL
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:27 PM ET
This is all your creation. If you're going to accuse somebody of saying something then be prepared to prove it. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself. I get a kick out of someone acting like a fool calling someone a fool. LOL
- MJL

I literally caught you the other day and you knew it haha. the Lebanc offer sheet, ring a bell?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 1:27 PM ET
This is all your creation. If you're going to accuse somebody of saying something then be prepared to prove it. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself. I get a kick out of someone acting like a fool calling someone a fool. LOL
- MJL


You seem to get a kick out of a lot of things people say to you, oh great internet king.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:28 PM ET
You seem to get a kick out of a lot of things people say to you, oh great internet king.
- jmatchett383


I rest my case.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:29 PM ET
Sure it's a good point. Are you telling me that the Flyers couldn't trade Patrick for an older player that is currently better? You want to play the best players. Where does that end?
I love when people bring up MacDonald in a foolish argument. The circumstances of a team change. When the Flyers signed MacDonald, they didn't have a stable of young NHL ready defenseman that they have now. My ideals haven't shifted. You just don't understand it.

- MJL


Adding Braun and Niskanen is all about developing young defenseman; Provorov and Sanheim. Their addition is not going to affect Provy and Sanheims ice time. They needed veteran defensive leadership. They already have veteran forwards so why would they trade away young forwards?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 1:30 PM ET
I rest my case.
- MJL


And that's why no one likes you.

But I know, you're not here to have fun or make friends, you're here to discuss the facts.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:31 PM ET
Adding Braun and Niskanen is all about developing young defenseman; Provorov and Sanheim. Their addition is not going to affect Provy and Sanheims ice time. They needed veteran defensive leadership. They already have veteran forwards so why would they trade away young forwards?
- Dkos


Not following the context. They want to play the best players to be the best team. Adding Niskanen and Braun is certainly taking ice time away from younger players.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:32 PM ET
Adding Braun and Niskanen is all about developing young defenseman; Provorov and Sanheim. Their addition is not going to affect Provy and Sanheims ice time. They needed veteran defensive leadership. They already have veteran forwards so why would they trade away young forwards?
- Dkos

They added Braun and Niskanen because they beleive we are a better team with them. They were not brought in for developing the young guys, any leadership they gain is just a plus.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:40 PM ET
And that's why no one likes you.

But I know, you're not here to have fun or make friends, you're here to discuss the facts.

- jmatchett383


If people dont like me because I call them on nonsense like you posted. So be it. I dont care.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:40 PM ET
I literally caught you the other day and you knew it haha. the Lebanc offer sheet, ring a bell?
- ClaudeFather


You crack me up.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:42 PM ET
You crack me up.
- MJL

Gotcha
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 12 @ 1:42 PM ET
They added Braun and Niskanen because they beleive we are a better team with them. They were not brought in for developing the young guys, any leadership they gain is just a plus.
- ClaudeFather



It could affect Myers but I think he will be a mainstay on the 3rd pair. This will be his second year and first full time, 3rd pair minutes is fine, heck wasn't SanHeim eased in by prior management?

It will affect Hagg but I am ok with that as long as Braun plays well. Morin is the wild card but easing him in, is probably best.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:44 PM ET
Not following the context. They want to play the best players to play the best team. Adding Niskanen and Braun is certainly taking ice time away from younger players.
- MJL


skimming through so maybe I don't know the exact context of the argument. Sure they want to play the best players, but it's about building a team. The defense was poorly structured. They had no quality veteran leadership on it. They needed to make that change in order for young guys to develop. It's too bad for players like Haag and Morin, but the guys I'm concerned about developing are Provorov and Sanheim.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:47 PM ET
It could affect Myers but I think he will be a mainstay on the 3rd pair. This will be his second year and first full time, 3rd pair minutes is fine, heck wasn't SanHeim eased in by prior management?

It will affect Hagg but I am ok with that as long as Braun plays well. Morin is the wild card but easing him in, is probably best.

- wcorvette

I would be more concerned if management had slotted in Meyers on the second pair to begin with. I think he will start on the third pair and hopefully earn more minutes. You'd think someone might be on the move, carrying 8 dmen is fine but one is usually a Manning type, Hagg and Morin need to play. I know people are saying what about injuries but what if we are healthy?
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:47 PM ET
They added Braun and Niskanen because they beleive we are a better team with them. They were not brought in for developing the young guys, any leadership they gain is just a plus.
- ClaudeFather


there needs to be a balance on a team. Teams need a mix of youth and veterans. No these guy are not there specifically to develop players, but having players like them will help the kids. It was a correction that needed to be made.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:48 PM ET
skimming through so maybe I don't know the exact context of the argument. Sure they want to play the best players, but it's about building a team. The defense was poorly structured. They had no quality veteran leadership on it. They needed to make that change in order for young guys to develop. It's too bad for players like Haag and Morin, but the guys I'm concerned about developing are Provorov and Sanheim.
- Dkos

Whether you like it or not Amac is veteran leadership and to an extent Gudas, they just brought in better defensive partners, they see these guys as a better fit.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:49 PM ET
there needs to be a balance on a team. Teams need a mix of youth and veterans. No these guy are not there specifically to develop players, but having players like them will help the kids. It was a correction that needed to be made.
- Dkos

Amac and Gudas = veterans
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