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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 12 @ 10:23 AM ET
I'll agree he's been fairly solid for his career. But he wasn't as good last year. And he's on the wrong side of 30.
- PLindbergh31


He's more viable than AMac, that's something isn't it?
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 12 @ 10:25 AM ET
I'll agree he's been fairly solid for his career. But he wasn't as good last year. And he's on the wrong side of 30.
- PLindbergh31


Again, yes, he is on the wrong side of 30, but age is relative for some. 32 isn't the end of dmen's careers. at 32 he will come into this year having 9 years of NHL experience, for arguments sake, Coots has 8 years of NHL experience, yet he is still in his 20's. Now i get he is younger, his body can do more, and all that for sure, but Braun was a late bloomer in the NHL, and maybe he has a couple more years at 32 than others do.

I dont know, only time will tell, but I am excited more by the prospect of the type of pro Braun is and what can be learned by him by the young guy, than his overall play. A guy like him is solid and steady, huge he's RH, and I just think the sum of all the parts on the blue line will be something us Flyers fans haven't seen since the days of Prongs-Carle, Kimmo-Coburn.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 12 @ 10:30 AM ET
He's more viable than AMac, that's something isn't it?
- Tomahawk


Yes. He's a better player than MacDonald. No debating that.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 12 @ 10:31 AM ET
I'll agree he's been fairly solid for his career. But he wasn't as good last year. And he's on the wrong side of 30.
- PLindbergh31


So was Pronger when he was traded here. And while we are on the topic of age, let's just euthanize Chara.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 10:33 AM ET
Frost, Farabee, Sanheim, Hart

Reasons to get excited

- bulet13


I'm excited for them, especially Farabee and Hart. But as for being back to needing to be in front on a TV for every game, all game long...gonna take more than just that.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 12 @ 10:36 AM ET
Again, yes, he is on the wrong side of 30, but age is relative for some. 32 isn't the end of dmen's careers. at 32 he will come into this year having 9 years of NHL experience, for arguments sake, Coots has 8 years of NHL experience, yet he is still in his 20's. Now i get he is younger, his body can do more, and all that for sure, but Braun was a late bloomer in the NHL, and maybe he has a couple more years at 32 than others do.

I dont know, only time will tell, but I am excited more by the prospect of the type of pro Braun is and what can be learned by him by the young guy, than his overall play. A guy like him is solid and steady, huge he's RH, and I just think the sum of all the parts on the blue line will be something us Flyers fans haven't seen since the days of Prongs-Carle, Kimmo-Coburn.

- sjk540


Let's face facts. Braun is here because of the regression of Provorov and Gosisbehere. MacDonald was brought in to be the stabilizing veteran. But because he's not competitive they have to fill a hole that should have already been filled. It's more chasing their tail.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 12 @ 10:38 AM ET
Yes. He's a better player than MacDonald. No debating that.
- PLindbergh31


It was an overpay in assets. Fletch offset it at the draft table, somewhat.

I have a hunch that the move will prove to be superfluous. Myers will prove more than capable and will eat more and more into Braun's ice time.

My main concern is that it could lead to Hagg or Morin getting discarded needlessly.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 12 @ 10:39 AM ET
My level of fandom, if you will, has shifted. From about 18-28, I would make plans around Flyers games. If it was a mid-January game against Florida or a late April game against Pittsburgh, I would make sure I was able to watch. I had season tickets from 05/06 - 14/15. I wore Flyers shirts constantly.

But when they hired Hakstol, I PERSONALLY didn't like the team. I PERSONALLY felt they were very vanilla; not bad, just not as exciting as the Berube/Lavy teams. I found myself not needing to be around to watch every game. Coupled with my becoming a father, I didn't want to drop thousands on season tickets. I still followed the team, I still watched when I could, but that burning passion was quenched. I hope that can return.

You can sense the difference in the games. Even in 13/14 (their last really good season, to me), any big-time rival would have a constant buzz in the arena all game long. Now, if you go to a game, there's no buzz, no electricity, even in a (frank)ing playoff game against Pittsburgh (2018 Game 4). The team doesn't always to do their part to give them things to be excited about, either.

Hopefully this team can become exciting and bring back some of that atmospshere and stop being an afterthought in Philadelphia sports. I'll keep rooting for them for the rest of my life, but right now, they'll have to show me something to get me glued to the TV or back in their seats.

- jmatchett383


Well said, JMatch!

Spot on with the electricity in the building comment. I’ll add that anticipating someone getting a beat down from a previous game cheap shot, also amped up excitement meter. I’ll always pull for my Flyer teams, but it isn’t the same. It just doesn’t have the energy it used to have.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 12 @ 10:40 AM ET
It was an overpay in assets. Fletch offset it at the draft table, somewhat.

I have a hunch that the move will prove to be superfluous. Myers will prove more than capable and will eat more and more into Braun's ice time.

My main concern is that it could lead to Hagg or Morin getting discarded needlessly.

- Tomahawk


Are they not counting on Morin to be a regular due to the injuries, or do they think he's not good enough? I don't think we know that.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Jul 12 @ 10:41 AM ET
Let's face facts. Braun is here because of the regression of Provorov and Gosisbehere. MacDonald was brought in to be the stabilizing veteran. But because he's not competitive they have to fill a hole that should have already been filled. It's more chasing their tail.
- PLindbergh31

it isnt just the regression which is a little overstated imo to begin with.

They have thrown these young dman to the wolves with little to no support. Now you have myers and sanheim with 1 year or less experience; morin as well i suppose. The GM clearly didnt want to take the same approach and throw them to the wolves. So you go get a couple good solid vets to help them along. That isnt the only reason they were added but def a big part of it imo.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 12 @ 10:42 AM ET
Well said, JMatch!

Spot on with the electricity in the building comment. I’ll add that anticipating someone getting a beat down from a previous game cheap shot, also amped up excitement meter. I’ll always pull for my Flyer teams, but it isn’t the same. It just doesn’t have the energy it used to have.

- Hokeeguy9


How much of that purely on the Flyers, and how much is that due to the game evolving past all that old WWF bullpoop?
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 12 @ 10:42 AM ET
I'm excited for them, especially Farabee and Hart. But as for being back to needing to be in front on a TV for every game, all game long...gonna take more than just that.
- jmatchett383


This team is not entertaining a majority of the time. I have had a tough time with that personally. To me the Flyers up until 2013 have always been entertaining. I will admit that I didn't watch a few games as a form of protest. The last 6 years is really the first time in my life when they haven't been a contender.

I think they are on the way up.

RustyPipes
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Joined: 03.09.2018

Jul 12 @ 10:43 AM ET
It was an overpay in assets. Fletch offset it at the draft table, somewhat.

I have a hunch that the move will prove to be superfluous. Myers will prove more than capable and will eat more and more into Braun's ice time.

My main concern is that it could lead to Hagg or Morin getting discarded needlessly.

- Tomahawk

I understand, but there are only so many chairs and when the music stops...
They have to put the best team on the ice. If Hagg or Morin aren't it, then trade them for other draft picks and advance others in the pipeline when the position is available.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 12 @ 10:44 AM ET
Are they not counting on Morin to be a regular due to the injuries, or do they think he's not good enough? I don't think we know that.
- PLindbergh31


Methinks they probably still believe in him, but are no longer willing to bet on him. If that makes any sense.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 12 @ 10:45 AM ET
Again, yes, he is on the wrong side of 30, but age is relative for some. 32 isn't the end of dmen's careers. at 32 he will come into this year having 9 years of NHL experience, for arguments sake, Coots has 8 years of NHL experience, yet he is still in his 20's. Now i get he is younger, his body can do more, and all that for sure, but Braun was a late bloomer in the NHL, and maybe he has a couple more years at 32 than others do.

I dont know, only time will tell, but I am excited more by the prospect of the type of pro Braun is and what can be learned by him by the young guy, than his overall play. A guy like him is solid and steady, huge he's RH, and I just think the sum of all the parts on the blue line will be something us Flyers fans haven't seen since the days of Prongs-Carle, Kimmo-Coburn.

- sjk540



better fit
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 12 @ 10:45 AM ET
How much of that purely on the Flyers, and how much is that due to the game evolving past all that old WWF bullpoop?
- Tomahawk


It is really negative in that building. It's like they wait for something negative to happen. I think a lot of fans wrestle with what the Flyers were and what they are.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 12 @ 10:45 AM ET
Want to move on to the Hayes contract and discuss that?
- PLindbergh31


Nope that one is dead too already
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 12 @ 10:47 AM ET
Nope that one is dead too already
- funmaster18


How about how awful hiring AV was? Anything there?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 12 @ 10:49 AM ET
Methinks they probably still believe in him, but are no longer willing to bet on him. If that makes any sense.
- Tomahawk


Sounds about right. If he's healthy coming out of camp and plays well he can win a spot. Assuming everyone is healthy I would guess there is one job open for Myers, Hagg, Morin.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 10:50 AM ET
My level of fandom, if you will, has shifted. From about 18-28, I would make plans around Flyers games. If it was a mid-January game against Florida or a late April game against Pittsburgh, I would make sure I was able to watch. I had season tickets from 05/06 - 14/15. I wore Flyers shirts constantly.

But when they hired Hakstol, I PERSONALLY didn't like the team. I PERSONALLY felt they were very vanilla; not bad, just not as exciting as the Berube/Lavy teams. I found myself not needing to be around to watch every game. Coupled with my becoming a father, I didn't want to drop thousands on season tickets. I still followed the team, I still watched when I could, but that burning passion was quenched. I hope that can return.

You can sense the difference in the games. Even in 13/14 (their last really good season, to me), any big-time rival would have a constant buzz in the arena all game long. Now, if you go to a game, there's no buzz, no electricity, even in a (frank)ing playoff game against Pittsburgh (2018 Game 4). The team doesn't always to do their part to give them things to be excited about, either.

Hopefully this team can become exciting and bring back some of that atmospshere and stop being an afterthought in Philadelphia sports. I'll keep rooting for them for the rest of my life, but right now, they'll have to show me something to get me glued to the TV or back in their seats.

- jmatchett383


Our fans have sucked last couple seasons. It's so damn quiet and they only make noise to boo it seems.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 12 @ 10:50 AM ET
How much of that purely on the Flyers, and how much is that due to the game evolving past all that old WWF bullpoop?
- Tomahawk


It was never WWF bullish!t. Had you ever been on the ice, and fought for something important, or a teammate, you’d understand. Those players gave everything to game, and it was an important part of their strategy or intimidation. There’s an old saying that says: “you don’t know, what you don’t know”, so try not to make statements about something you know nothing about.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 12 @ 10:54 AM ET
I understand, but there are only so many chairs and when the music stops...
They have to put the best team on the ice. If Hagg or Morin aren't it, then trade them for other draft picks and advance others in the pipeline when the position is available.

- RustyPipes


If they're bringing in somebody significant (say they traded for Subban or something) and Hagg/Morin were casualties of that, so be it.

But to discard one of these guys you invested high draft picks and a ton of development time in, so Justin Braun can have his cup of coffee?

It amounts to irresponsible asset management, IMO. Unless some team inexplicably gives up a top-60 pick or a decent prospect for Hagg. Morin's not gonna net much of anything in a trade right now.
Dave21Brown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 12.09.2018

Jul 12 @ 10:55 AM ET
The additions of coach V and Hayes along with a full year of Carter Hart has me excited, not to mention Provorov turning it around and having a great year, team should take a big step forward
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 12 @ 11:00 AM ET
It was never WWF bullish!t. Had you ever been on the ice, and fought for something important, or a teammate, you’d understand. Those players gave everything to game, and it was an important part of their strategy or intimidation. There’s an old saying that says: “you don’t know, what you don’t know”, so try not to make statements about something you know nothing about.
- Hokeeguy9


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 11:00 AM ET
How much of that purely on the Flyers, and how much is that due to the game evolving past all that old WWF bullpoop?
- Tomahawk


Taking the fighting out of the equation, I'd say that the 2010 SCF and 2012 Penguins series were probably the most exciting hockey I've seen them play since the lockout. People didn't sit down for long stretches, the building was loud the whole time, and you could live and die with every play. Now, it's not nearly the same. People come, they sit on their hands, they cheer every now and then, but it's quiet most of the game.
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