That $600,000 is going to be a killer next summer.
- Feanor

Look where the Flyers are going to be at the cap this year. Once bonuses kick in and all is said and done. Then look at the following season and that part you mentioned about adding better players. Try and think ahead a little.

That's funny coming from the guy who spent the middle part of this decade assuring us that the Flyers weren't ever in any kind of cap trouble.

But now a measly $600K cap penalty has you all troubled.

That $600,000 is going to be a killer next summer.

Weren't you the guy a few years ago who always said the Flyers cap crunch was overstated?
- Feanor

Finish your thoughts before you post and then I won't have to reply a second time. A team can always find it's way around the cap and make moves. We've seen with a number of teams what the cost of that is. If you're a team that can contend, it's fine to be up against the cap. In fact you should be. If you're not a true contender, which I don't think the Flyers are, then it's mismanagement to be up against the cap.

That's funny coming from the guy who spent the middle part of this decade assuring us that the Flyers weren't ever in any kind of cap trouble.

But now a measly $600K cap penalty has you all troubled.
- Feanor

This isn't going to get you anywhere. Cap management is relative to the kind of team you have. It's not the 600K per se, its the idea and the mismanagement of it. Including the comments of upper management. It's disturbing.

Finish your thoughts before you post and then I won't have to reply a second time. A team can always find it's way around the cap and make moves. We've seen with a number of teams what the cost of that is. If you're a team that can contend, it's fine to be up against the cap. In fact you should be. If you're not a true contender, which I don't think the Flyers are, then it's mismanagement to be up against the cap.
- MJL

The Flyers aren't up against the cap.

This isn't going to get you anywhere. Cap management is relative to the kind of team you have. It's not the 600K per se, its the idea and the mismanagement of it. Including the comments of upper management. It's disturbing.
- MJL

The Flyers weren't contenders any year after the 2012 lockout, but you constantly dismissed the idea that they were ever in any kind of cap crunch. Even when they clearly were. The blatant hypocrisy is astounding.

Improving the team this year by buying out players the GM doesn't want in the organization and replacing them with more useful players is not mismanagement.

More reason to think the D is going to have a much better year. I know you're a believer in Ghost, who do you hope they pair him with him next year?
- FlyerFan16

I believe he can thrive with just about any of the righties.

Best fit is probably Myers or Niskanen.

The Flyers weren't contenders any year after the 2012 lockout, but you constantly dismissed the idea that they were ever in any kind of cap crunch. Even when they clearly were. The blatant hypocrisy is astounding.

Improving the team this year by buying out players the GM doesn't want in the organization and replacing them with more useful players is not mismanagement.
- Feanor

I made a lot of comments about the Flyers cap situation over the years. Going back into the entire Holmgren era. I never dismissed that they had cap issues, I stated using your own words, that their cap issues were overblown. Not that they didn't have any. LOL

What's astounding is your apparent idea that comments made about the teams cap situation years ago, with completely different circumstances apply to the team's situation today. Sad that you've sunk that low.

Taking on future cap liabilities just to be a better playoff bubble team is absolutely cap mismanagement in my opinion.

Laughton 2 years 2.3m AAV

Again, yes, he is on the wrong side of 30, but age is relative for some. 32 isn't the end of dmen's careers. at 32 he will come into this year having 9 years of NHL experience, for arguments sake, Coots has 8 years of NHL experience, yet he is still in his 20's. Now i get he is younger, his body can do more, and all that for sure, but Braun was a late bloomer in the NHL, and maybe he has a couple more years at 32 than others do.

I dont know, only time will tell, but I am excited more by the prospect of the type of pro Braun is and what can be learned by him by the young guy, than his overall play. A guy like him is solid and steady, huge he's RH, and I just think the sum of all the parts on the blue line will be something us Flyers fans haven't seen since the days of Prongs-Carle, Kimmo-Coburn.
- sjk540

Leight but I think you may be on to something. Take a guy like myers who has more raw talent and more skill and he's a RHD and let braun shape him up and help develop him at an earlier age.
There is a reason fletcher wanted braun. He was willing to, what most would agree is, an overpayment.
Fletcher is doing something right is homer is willing to step aside and hand him the reigns
Braun isnt the awful defenseman people act like he is. He hits, He is aggressive, and he makes smart plays and he uses his body. Let Myers learn from him and develop faster

Laughton 2 years 2.3m AAV
- Mordecai

Just saw that.

Capfriendly has the Flyers sitting at $14,967,421 in cap space. Does that mean more or less they are around 12,667,421 remaining to sign TK and Provorov?

Are there any other needs for this coming season?

Leight but I think you may be on to something. Take a guy like myers who has more raw talent and more skill and he's a RHD and let braun shape him up and help develop him at an earlier age.
There is a reason fletcher wanted braun. He was willing to, what most would agree is, an overpayment.
Fletcher is doing something right is homer is willing to step aside and hand him the reigns
Braun isnt the awful defenseman people act like he is. He hits, He is aggressive, and he makes smart plays and he uses his body. Let Myers learn from him and develop faster
- sILKAsSINASALO

I don't know what is going to happen but my guess is that Braun is going to play with Sanheim, not Myers.

This isn't going to get you anywhere. Cap management is relative to the kind of team you have. It's not the 600K per se, its the idea and the mismanagement of it. Including the comments of upper management. It's disturbing.
- MJL

I agree, in principle, with your premise of where the Flyers should be in relation to the cap at this time. What people are pointing out is your inconsistency in arguing that premise.

I think the team underperformed last year. Taking that into consideration, I think the team going into next season is stronger than the team in 2014 or 2015. Those teams were in a worse cap position than the current team. You were not arguing the same point then that you are now. It was more along the lines of: there are no cap problems, just cap management.

There have now been three posters that have pointed this out. Are we remembering it wrong? Probably not. Most likely, you are changing the narrative to fit your current opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, just be honest about it. Otherwise, prove us wrong.

I agree, in principle, with your premise of where the Flyers should be in relation to the cap at this time. What people are pointing out is your inconsistency in arguing that premise.


- GeorgeBailey

There is no inconsistency. It's relative to the team and it's position. To think that the same position regarding a teams cap situation would apply the same to multiple teams over multiple years is just simply asinine. It's fluid and it changes. I'll also ask have any of your thoughts regarding a player, team management or any factor or issue evolved and changed over the years. As evidence and history plays out and provides more data to look at? If you want to come at me, that's fine but just come at me with something solid and not this nonsense.

I think the team underperformed last year. Taking that into consideration, I think the team going into next season is stronger than the team in 2014 or 2015. Those teams were in a worse cap position than the current team. You were not arguing the same point then that you are now. It was more along the lines of: there are no cap problems, just cap management.


- GeorgeBailey

Also incorrect. I never stated that the Flyers don't have or didn't have at any time cap issues to deal with. It's that the idea that the Flyers were always in "cap hell' is overblown.

There have now been three posters that have pointed this out. Are we remembering it wrong? Probably not. Most likely, you are changing the narrative to fit your current opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, just be honest about it. Otherwise, prove us wrong.
- GeorgeBailey

Actually the narrative is from the "three" posters. None of you can actually stand on the ground of what I'm stating today and discuss that so you have to go back in time and make up some foolish argument.

You have some sour grapes. Get over it. Here is what you don't get. You're accusing me of something. You have the obligation to prove me wrong, not the other way around.

I challenge you personally to do so. Man up!

I don't know what is going to happen but my guess is that Braun is going to play with Sanheim, not Myers.
- MJL

I want Myers to learn from him. Braun can teach him sole things at practice. Ot doesnt have to be at a game on a D pairing together. No point in having both RH on the same line. Myers is a big guy. I'd like to see him learn to use that size

There is no inconsistency. It's relative to the team and it's position. To think that the same position regarding a teams cap situation would apply the same to multiple teams over multiple years is just simply asinine. It's fluid and it changes. I'll also ask have any of your thoughts regarding a player, team management or any factor or issue evolved and changed over the years. As evidence and history plays out and provides more data to look at? If you want to come at me, that's fine but just come at me with something solid and not this nonsense.




Also incorrect. I never stated that the Flyers don't have or didn't have at any time cap issues to deal with. It's that the idea that the Flyers were always in "cap hell' is overblown.




Actually the narrative is from the "three" posters. None of you can actually stand on the ground of what I'm stating today and discuss that so you have to go back in time and make up some foolish argument.

You have some sour grapes. Get over it. Here is what you don't get. You're accusing me of something. You have the obligation to prove me wrong, not the other way around.

I challenge you personally to do so. Man up!
- MJL

Are you threatening me? This is my first experience with an internet warrior.

What's it like to be the ONLY person on Hockeybuzz to have knowledge and experience, oh wise one? It must be hard to shoulder such a burden.

Oh, and your responses were basically double talk to deflect the fact that everything I pointed out was true. You realize you present as, "My (MJL) opinions are fact and everyone else is wrong. I am the only person who knows anything."

Laughton 2 years 2.3m AAV
- Mordecai

Done deal?

Good deal on Laughton

Just saw that.

Capfriendly has the Flyers sitting at $14,967,421 in cap space. Does that mean more or less they are around 12,667,421 remaining to sign TK and Provorov?

Are there any other needs for this coming season?
- shekkie

There is a contract or two that will be sent to the AHL, I think they have about 700 more

poop I would have to look been a while

Cap friendly shows 13.4 with Laughton signed

That $600,000 is going to be a killer next summer.
- Feanor

It’s the end of everything

Good deal on Laughton
- wcorvette

Yup, fair price

Done deal?
- wcorvette

Appears so.

It’s the end of everything
- BiggE

just euthanize me now

That's funny coming from the guy who spent the middle part of this decade assuring us that the Flyers weren't ever in any kind of cap trouble.

But now a measly $600K cap penalty has you all troubled.
- Feanor

And perhaps the GM actually has a plan....where by the 600 k won’t be an issue. Just a thought.