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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 10 @ 11:56 AM ET
Seabrook wouldn't waive to play for the Leafs

How about Crawford for Nylander??

- RedRevenge


How about Ceci for Kane? šŸ§

I heard Kane wants out of that poop hole.

RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:57 AM ET
Hopefully you're right. But when the Hawks went through cap hell, people said the same things and the cap barely rose.
- RedRevenge


It actually has increased a lot since the Hawks last cup 4 years ago.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:58 AM ET
Well, the Leafs defense last year was terrible. Do you watch any games???

Why do you think they were a 1st round exit?

You can give all the excuses you want about why Nylanders "play" diminished. But facts ARE facts. He had 27 points playing next to elite talent. That's not worth 7M.

The leafs top 4 is about the same as last years. They lost Gardnier(good), and Zaitsev (ok). They added Barrie (great) and Ceci (terrible). Maybe Ceci works out? But so far he hasn't and I go by facts. The same reason why I don't like how the Hawks acquired Alexander Nylander.

- RedRevenge


The Leafs D is completely different. Do you follow NHL transactions? LOL
Barrie, Rielly, Muzzin are an excellent top 3. Dermott is a very good young D that can plug inmto the top 4 once he returns in November.
RedRevenge
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 04.18.2017

Jul 10 @ 11:59 AM ET
Is he still playing?
- walshyleafsfan


Short answer: Yes. 6M, 1 year left.

Long answer: 2 years ago he had a concussion and missed the second half of the season. Last year, he came in around December. Played a few games, then got concussed again. He was OK last year when he was healthly. I don't think the leafs would want him unless they want the cap space after next year.
Hardbalz
Joined: 06.08.2011

Jul 10 @ 12:01 PM ET
Hardest thing to do in the NHl is score 5 on 5 goals. Matthews is by far the best. No one's in his league. That's why he's a very high cap hit.

Look beyond career high of 73 points. Skinner got 9 with 63 point career high and he was a winger. (Skinner is 3rd 5 on 5 goals last 3 years).


Marner's career high is 26 goals. That hurts him a lot.

- RogerRoeper

No players contract should be compared to Skinner's. 2M over payment
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 10 @ 12:02 PM ET
The Leafs D is completely different. Do you follow NHL transactions? LOL
Barrie, Rielly, Muzzin are an excellent top 3. Dermott is a very good young D that can plug inmto the top 4 once he returns in November.

- RogerRoeper


Excited to see 1 or both of Liljegren and Sandin this year.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 10 @ 12:03 PM ET
No players contract should be compared to Skinner's. 2M over payment
- Hardbalz


IT's an official contract, so yes it should be.

BTW, is Auston Matthews an overpayment? Many believe so yet it's compared to what Marner should get.
RedRevenge
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 04.18.2017

Jul 10 @ 12:05 PM ET
The Leafs D is completely different. Do you follow NHL transactions? LOL
Barrie, Rielly, Muzzin are an excellent top 3. Dermott is a very good young D that can plug inmto the top 4 once he returns in November.

- RogerRoeper


Well last year, the Leafs had Gardiner, Rielly, Muzzin and couldn't get past the first round. They replaced Gardiner with Barrie...... You see how there isn't much improvement?

Your top 3 are solid defensemen, but none of them scream franchise #1 defensemen (No Doughty, 2013 Keith, Letang, etc).

I don't know who Dermott is? Is he relevant? He didn't seem to make a difference last year?
JKSoule
Joined: 04.22.2015

Jul 10 @ 12:07 PM ET
Ok big shot elite salesman. Tell us more about how important you are and how accurate Ek has been with his "sources".
- Snowman X


Never said Ek was accurate.. but things change all the time in business. One day someoneā€™s thinking about an offer sheet, they leak it, the next they looked into and decided not. Ppl act like hockey reporting is suppose to be an exact science.. give me a break! If ppl donā€™t understand that then they are truly idiots! And then to read a guys blog just to continually sh*t on it? You guys are jokes! And funny how ppl donā€™t believe me saying that Iā€™m a top sales person.. why because you guys are sitting around smelling your own farts? Canā€™t believe someone on hereā€™s a success because you guys are such losers? Lmao jokes!
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

Jul 10 @ 12:08 PM ET
Well last year, the Leafs had Gardiner, Rielly, Muzzin and couldn't get past the first round. They replaced Gardiner with Barrie...... You see how there isn't much improvement?

Your top 3 are solid defensemen, but none of them scream franchise #1 defensemen (No Doughty, 2013 Keith, Letang, etc).

I don't know who Dermott is? Is he relevant? He didn't seem to make a difference last year?

- RedRevenge


This speaks volumes for how much you know about hockey outside of the Blackhawks. How many teams have a #1 D better than Rielly? If he isn't a franchise #1 defenseman, then there are only 5 or 6 in the league.

Dermott is solid, and very young. A lot remains to be seen, but so far he's looking like he's on the path to be a very impactful 2nd pairing guy.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 10 @ 12:08 PM ET
Well last year, the Leafs had Gardiner, Rielly, Muzzin and couldn't get past the first round. They replaced Gardiner with Barrie...... You see how there isn't much improvement?

Your top 3 are solid defensemen, but none of them scream franchise #1 defensemen (No Doughty, 2013 Keith, Letang, etc).

I don't know who Dermott is? Is he relevant? He didn't seem to make a difference last year?

- RedRevenge


It's odd you include Gardiner when he is a massive reason they lost against Boston the past 2 years. He was -5 in game 7 in 2018. LOL

Barrie is a massive improvement over Gardiner. Stop suddenly praising Gardiner because he left the Leafs.

Dernott is an excelent young D.

Morgan Rielly is hands-down a #1 D and better than Letang. Rielly was 4th in Norris voting and had 72 points.
fatty_mcmanboobs
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 11.07.2018

Jul 10 @ 12:09 PM ET
Marner will get an offer sheet from desperate Oilers. McDavid will want out if things don't turn around fast.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 10 @ 12:13 PM ET
Well last year, the Leafs had Gardiner, Rielly, Muzzin and couldn't get past the first round. They replaced Gardiner with Barrie...... You see how there isn't much improvement?

Your top 3 are solid defensemen, but none of them scream franchise #1 defensemen (No Doughty, 2013 Keith, Letang, etc).

I don't know who Dermott is? Is he relevant? He didn't seem to make a difference last year?

- RedRevenge

You know about the Leafs you sausage.
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jul 10 @ 12:17 PM ET
It's odd you include Gardiner when he is a massive reason they lost against Boston the past 2 years. He was -5 in game 7 in 2018. LOL

Barrie is a massive improvement over Gardiner. Stop suddenly praising Gardiner because he left the Leafs.

Dernott is an excelent young D.

Morgan Rielly is hands-down a #1 D and better than Letang. Rielly was 4th in Norris voting and had 72 points.

- RogerRoeper

The leafs shouldn't overreact to losing to Boston. Sometimes stuff happens. They had a decent shot at the cup last year. They lost. Trotting out the exact same team wouldn't mean they don't win it next year. There is a lot of luck in this stuff. If we played the playoffs again, St Louis probably doesn't win it all. We could have been a lucky bound or two from a Vegas vs Toronto final.

That said, I like Gardiner's offense more than Barrie's. I like Barrie defensively better though. Losing Kadri hurts a lot, Kerfoot is good but not as good IMO. Zaitsev and Ceci...idk, I really don't care about either of them. The leafs on paper are probably the same or slightly worse, but it is a long season and lots changes with the maturation or young guys. They probably have another 5 legitimate shots at the cup.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 10 @ 12:18 PM ET
Austin Matthews 11,634,00 million per cap hit....

END TRANSMISSION.

- Glak18


Kevin Hayes 7.1M a year for 7 years, 1, 50 pt. season in his career

Bullot
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Red Deer, AB
Joined: 07.14.2010

Jul 10 @ 12:19 PM ET
I hope this is true.. I canā€™t stand how these players are playing hard ball when they are being offered generational wealth. Itā€™s sickening! And for what? Ego? You hear ppl say, ā€œyeah but if you were in that situation youā€™d do the same thingā€. Actually no, most ppl wouldnā€™t. Iā€™m an elite sales person who makes an incredible amount of money. There was a time when my employer and I got into a contract negotiation over what amounted to 30K in lost income. If I hadnā€™t agreed, it would have damaged the operation and we wouldnā€™t have been able to afford the support we needed. Understanding this, I made a deal to lock in a high salary but dropped my commission. I gave up 30K in commission to have a guaranteed contract and so that my company could thrive. Giving us the resources to grow even bigger. Eventually seeing me make even more money.. these damn RFAā€™s are just spoiled little brats! Came from rich families and are full of entitlement! If he doesnā€™t sign soon, I hope the Leafs trade him to the desert and he loses all that marketing money! Screw this kid! Iā€™m very close to writing him off and never being a fan of his again!
- JKSoule


I too have turned down raises. Our company only has so much money to go around and we have to share essentially. Iā€™m at the top of the pay scale and it only hurts our people starting out if I get as big a raise as them. We want to keep them, so some of us take less of a raise so they can catch up on the pay scale. And we certainly are not talking millions here.......or dream job and being worshipped by fans.

Trade him now, balance the team.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 10 @ 12:20 PM ET
The leafs shouldn't overreact to losing to Boston. Sometimes stuff happens. They had a decent shot at the cup last year. They lost. Trotting out the exact same team wouldn't mean they don't win it next year. There is a lot of luck in this stuff. If we played the playoffs again, St Louis probably doesn't win it all. We could have been a lucky bound or two from a Vegas vs Toronto final.

That said, I like Gardiner's offense more than Barrie's. I like Barrie defensively better though. Losing Kadri hurts a lot, Kerfoot is good but not as good IMO. Zaitsev and Ceci...idk, I really don't care about either of them. The leafs on paper are probably the same or slightly worse, but it is a long season and lots changes with the maturation or young guys. They probably have another 5 legitimate shots at the cup.

- matty12345


Barrie does score more than Gardiner though. And Kerfoot's #'s were very close to Kadri last year with less TOI and he's cheaper and younger.

Leafs biggest issue losing to Boston: Mike Babcock. It's not the players. His player usage is so odd. He had a winger with 1 leg lose repeated faceoffs against Bergeron. He played the crap out of Marleau and played Matthews 18 minutes in game 7.
Kinger34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We may have already seen Matthews at his potential - SMBDragon, ON
Joined: 07.04.2011

Jul 10 @ 12:31 PM ET
It's odd you include Gardiner when he is a massive reason they lost against Boston the past 2 years. He was -5 in game 7 in 2018. LOL

Barrie is a massive improvement over Gardiner. Stop suddenly praising Gardiner because he left the Leafs.

Dernott is an excelent young D.

Morgan Rielly is hands-down a #1 D and better than Letang. Rielly was 4th in Norris voting and had 72 points.

- RogerRoeper



Same guys praising Gardiner now have been ripping him since he's been a Leaf.

Defence has improved, forward talent has decreased. For a team that scores a bunch of goals I don't think this is an issue.

How healthy the team can stay, and how well/poor Freddie Andersen plays this year should dictate how the season goes.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 10 @ 12:33 PM ET
Barrie does score more than Gardiner though. And Kerfoot's #'s were very close to Kadri last year with less TOI and he's cheaper and younger.

Leafs biggest issue losing to Boston: Mike Babcock. It's not the players. His player usage is so odd. He had a winger with 1 leg lose repeated faceoffs against Bergeron. He played the crap out of Marleau and played Matthews 18 minutes in game 7.

- RogerRoeper


Barrie>Gardiner in the Ozone

By the #'s Gardiner>Barrie in the Dzone ( heaven help me, I hope I'm wrong )

#fireBabcock
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

Jul 10 @ 12:36 PM ET
Barrie>Gardiner in the Ozone

By the #'s Gardiner>Barrie in the Dzone ( heaven help me, I hope I'm wrong )

#fireBabcock

- Garnie


If they fire Babcock we won't get to see 16 minutes of Spezza in game 7 against the Bruins this season. I vote keep him!
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 10 @ 12:37 PM ET
If they fire Babcock we won't get to see 16 minutes of Spezza in game 7 against the Bruins this season. I vote keep him!
- SolidGoldBricks


Who will be Babs' favourite "Pets" this season who play 4-5 minutes a game too much?
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 10 @ 12:43 PM ET
If they fire Babcock we won't get to see 16 minutes of Spezza in game 7 against the Bruins this season. I vote keep him!
- SolidGoldBricks

Same old leaf fans, ā€œfire the coachā€

Then we hire the new ā€œcoach of the yearā€ and all these guys visit the other threads about how great we are and it starts all over
sabreadvocate1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ON
Joined: 12.12.2006

Jul 10 @ 12:44 PM ET
Actually, making fun of the leafs is great, but Nylander's contract is pretty much fine. Points wise he is similar to Reinhart (not play styles but whatever), and most sabre fans will be happy if Reinhart's deal next summer is 7 mil.
- matty12345


I would take Nylander over Reinhart and that is not a slam against Reinhart.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 10 @ 12:45 PM ET
If they fire Babcock we won't get to see 16 minutes of Spezza in game 7 against the Bruins this season. I vote keep him!
- SolidGoldBricks

Some would rather see the superstar tired and doing nothing out there, rather then the line actually getting chances šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 10 @ 12:49 PM ET
Same old leaf fans, ā€œfire the coachā€

Then we hire the new ā€œcoach of the yearā€ and all these guys visit the other threads about how great we are and it starts all over

- Garnie


Isn't that the same as every fanbase? Buffalo and Ottawa blames the coach and fires one every 2 years.
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