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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 12:43 AM ET
So you’re saying that it is completely possible that you Sir could infact BE RW? 🧐 LMAO
- Doogs


Kings fan since72
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Hermosa Beach, CA
Joined: 10.30.2006

Jul 3 @ 1:05 AM ET
Worst GM's in the NHL, but the top 2 are on another level of bad:

1. Jim Benning
2. Jim Rutherford
3. Paul Fenton
4. Pierre Dorion
5. Dale Tallon
6. Lou Lamoriello
7. Chuck Fletcher/Kevin Chevaldayoff

- quinneroma


0. Rob Blake
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 3 @ 1:17 AM ET
I still can’t get over they traded Kessel.
cranktheradio
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Greensburg, PA
Joined: 07.02.2011

Jul 3 @ 3:49 AM ET
I still can’t get over they traded Kessel.
- Rinosaur

I don't think you ever will lol. Again, I'm fine with what they got, I just don't know how overblown the stories are with his "attitude". I guess we'll find out a lot this year.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 3 @ 6:05 AM ET
I still can’t get over they traded Kessel.
- Rinosaur

Kessel traded Kessel. Rather be closer to those reservation casinos and his Daddy Tocchet.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 3 @ 6:06 AM ET
RW definitely reads these comments. He accidentally quoted one of my posts (without any actual response) a few weeks ago. He definitely lurks these boards often.
- j.boyd919

Did you print it out and frame it? Don’t lie.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 3 @ 6:08 AM ET
He'll never read this.
- Tojo.

He’s responded and then banned me before for nothing more than disagreeing with him. So like Jboyd said he definitely lurks.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 3 @ 6:34 AM ET
You guys are also looking at it as Tanev the 3rd 4th line winger, it’s probably going to be Tanev the second line winger and penalty kill staple.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 3 @ 6:56 AM ET
Guentzel- Crosby- Wilson
Galchenyuk- Malkin-Tanev
Kahun-Mccaan-Rust
ZAR-Bjugstad-Hornqvist

Hornqvist and Wilson will be flipped but they shouldn’t be. I like the second line.
HonestHolmgren
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hockey Central
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jul 3 @ 6:58 AM ET
Good read
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jul 3 @ 7:03 AM ET
I still can’t get over they traded Kessel.
- Rinosaur


I think the team needed shaken up a bit, but yeah, I don't think it's settled in just yet that Phil has moved on. Kind of surprised there hasn't been any moves on D, so maybe Rikola will step up in camp and knock JJ down to #7... there's still time though...

I say let the dust settle and see what Sully can do with this new group. I myself will be watching 58 and 71 for improvement this season. Horny, too. And I think Petts and Guddy will both be much improved after solid camps.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 3 @ 7:21 AM ET
I think the team needed shaken up a bit, but yeah, I don't think it's settled in just yet that Phil has moved on. Kind of surprised there hasn't been any moves on D, so maybe Rikola will step up in camp and knock JJ down to #7... there's still time though...

I say let the dust settle and see what Sully can do with this new group. I myself will be watching 58 and 71 for improvement this season. Horny, too. And I think Petts and Guddy will both be much improved after solid camps.

- Cousinskrid

I think Gudbranson completely focused on playing hockey after the trade. He will be tough when called for but it comes naturally to him. Probably the reason his numbers surprised stats people.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 3 @ 7:24 AM ET
I think the team needed shaken up a bit, but yeah, I don't think it's settled in just yet that Phil has moved on. Kind of surprised there hasn't been any moves on D, so maybe Rikola will step up in camp and knock JJ down to #7... there's still time though...

I say let the dust settle and see what Sully can do with this new group. I myself will be watching 58 and 71 for improvement this season. Horny, too.

- Cousinskrid

I bet they are trying to move Jack or Erik but aren't finding any takers. We need to move one of these contracts pretty soon. Hopefully he doesn't F up and trade Bjugstad.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 3 @ 7:35 AM ET
Tallon was the architect for the Hawks 3 cups.
LL won cups.

The rest have something to prove although the order above is irrelevant.

- Nighthawk

Without a cap. He is BRUTAL with signings.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 3 @ 7:59 AM ET
Guentzel- Crosby- Wilson
Galchenyuk- Malkin-Tanev
Kahun-Mccaan-Rust
ZAR-Bjugstad-Hornqvist

Hornqvist and Wilson will be flipped but they shouldn’t be. I like the second line.

- Grinder47

LOL

Really? I get where you're trying to get with toughness for the top 2 lines but I find it unlikely.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 3 @ 8:04 AM ET
Guentzel- Crosby- Wilson
Galchenyuk- Malkin-Tanev
Kahun-Mccaan-Rust
ZAR-Bjugstad-Hornqvist

Hornqvist and Wilson will be flipped but they shouldn’t be. I like the second line.

- Grinder47



Wilson?...has he been re-signed?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 8:30 AM ET
Did you print it out and frame it? Don’t lie.
- Grinder47


I jerk off to it just as often as you jerk off to your Craig Adams calendar.
Grizzsh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.24.2019

Jul 3 @ 8:31 AM ET
JJ+Jarry+2020 3rd. Or is that package still too little for someone to eat JJ?
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 3 @ 8:43 AM ET
Define jimmies...is that the rainbow ones or chocolate? And where do sprinkles join the fray?
- Doogs


I cant. I'm sorry. I guess jimmies could stand for anything you dont like being rustled.

Open for interpretation.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 3 @ 8:45 AM ET
JJ+Jarry+2020 3rd. Or is that package still too little for someone to eat JJ?
- Grizzsh



For?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 8:50 AM ET
For?
- MattStrat


A 12 pack of blue Gatorade
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 3 @ 8:54 AM ET
For?
- MattStrat

Eating lol
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 3 @ 9:00 AM ET
So after thinking about it a couple days I’m pretty ambivalent to the moves this offseason. I think we’re in pretty much the same place, got a bit worse talent wise, and didn’t address the major issue of last season.

Maatta trade was good. I’m a big Maatta guy and firmly believe he was one of our four best defensemen, but he was done here and we needed cap relief. Kahun is a good piece that recoups value on Maatta while relieving cap. That’s a win.

Thing is we didn’t use the new cap well. Let me just say that Tanev is a fine player and I don’t give a damn about the term cus the Crosby/Malkin window won’t last that long. My issue is that we didn’t need Tanev, forward depth was never an issue last year, and we overpaid in AAV for a piece we didn’t need. So now we have no space to address our actual need on the blue line and we probably have to move out Rust who I think is a better player. This was a needless rearrangement of deck chairs when there were other fish to fry. If we were gonna spend on a forward it should have been on a clear cut upgrade over Rust, which Tanev isn’t.

Finally the Phil trade. I’ve always been a fan of Alex Galchenyuk and actually believe there is a chance he can provide a better 5v5 product with Malkin than Phil. Thing is that Galch isn’t that young anymore so my theory that he can really kill it at 5v5 riding shotgun with Geno is completely contingent on the idea that Montreal and Arizona were awful situations for him. That might not be the case and he might just legitimately be the pedestrian top 9 player he’s shown to be so far. Either way, the switch from Phil to Galch is going to seriously cripple our PP since we no longer have an elite level player to play the left half wall, and unless Galch becomes a 30 ES goal guy next to Malkin, that’s probably gonna leave points on the floor in the standings.

So we got deeper, but not necessarily better at forward in an attempt to fix what wasn’t broken. We didn’t actually address what was broken (the blue line) at all. But we still have Sid, Geno, and Letang so anything can happen. If we have better luck with health this season and Sullivan makes better personnel decisions (don’t nullify our second best puck moving defenseman by putting him with Johnson) we could in theory do better than last season. If we keep having the average amount of injuries and Sullivan decides that Johnson-Schultz is a viable pairing, I expect a repeat of last season. Possibly worse given that Sid, Geno, and Letang are all a year older and we lost Phil.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 3 @ 9:09 AM ET
Worst GM's in the NHL, but the top 2 are on another level of bad:

1. Jim Benning
2. Jim Rutherford
3. Paul Fenton
4. Pierre Dorion
5. Dale Tallon
6. Lou Lamoriello
7. Chuck Fletcher/Kevin Chevaldayoff
-quinneroma


I dont get this?

Dale Tallon built a strong playoff team in Florida. Bobrovsky was the last piece of the puzzle.

Paul Fenton I think is doing fine with Minnesota. Loved the Zucc, Fiala and Donato additions.

Lou took a team that lost their star player and turned them into a playoff team

Fletcher has done a good job with Philly IMO as well. Hayes is a legit #2 C, he is slightly overpaid but he was the 2nd best C available. He has turned us from a bubble to team to a potential playoff lock without trading any of your young players\prospects.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 3 @ 9:10 AM ET
So after thinking about it a couple days I’m pretty ambivalent to the moves this offseason. I think we’re in pretty much the same place, got a bit worse talent wise, and didn’t address the major issue of last season.

Maatta trade was good. I’m a big Maatta guy and firmly believe he was one of our four best defensemen, but he was done here and we needed cap relief. Kahun is a good piece that recoups value on Maatta while relieving cap. That’s a win.

Thing is we didn’t use the new cap well. Let me just say that Tanev is a fine player and I don’t give a damn about the term cus the Crosby/Malkin window won’t last that long. My issue is that we didn’t need Tanev, forward depth was never an issue last year, and we overpaid in AAV for a piece we didn’t need. So now we have no space to address our actual need on the blue line and we probably have to move out Rust who I think is a better player. This was a needless rearrangement of deck chairs when there were other fish to fry. If we were gonna spend on a forward it should have been on a clear cut upgrade over Rust, which Tanev isn’t.

Finally the Phil trade. I’ve always been a fan of Alex Galchenyuk and actually believe there is a chance he can provide a better 5v5 product with Malkin than Phil. Thing is that Galch isn’t that young anymore so my theory that he can really kill it at 5v5 riding shotgun with Geno is completely contingent on the idea that Montreal and Arizona were awful situations for him. That might not be the case and he might just legitimately be the pedestrian top 9 player he’s shown to be so far. Either way, the switch from Phil to Galch is going to seriously cripple our PP since we no longer have an elite level player to play the left half wall, and unless Galch becomes a 30 ES goal guy next to Malkin, that’s probably gonna leave points on the floor in the standings.

So we got deeper, but not necessarily better at forward in an attempt to fix what wasn’t broken. We didn’t actually address what was broken (the blue line) at all. But we still have Sid, Geno, and Letang so anything can happen. If we have better luck with health this season and Sullivan makes better personnel decisions (don’t nullify our second best puck moving defenseman by putting him with Johnson) we could in theory do better than last season. If we keep having the average amount of injuries and Sullivan decides that Johnson-Schultz is a viable pairing, I expect a repeat of last season. Possibly worse given that Sid, Geno, and Letang are all a year older and we lost Phil.

- Victoro311


No it is a loss because you could have gotten rid of JJ instead. Jim said that he had to trade either Maatta or JJ. He made the wrong choice.
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