Mike Augello: Is bridging Marner a potential compromise??

A 2 year, 8M dollar contract would be great for the Leafs.

Not sure why Marner would be interested in that but they, crazier things have happened.

Cheers Paul

can't sign something that doesn't exist.

gorton needs to worry about managing his own cap. gm's can be wasting there time on offer sheets that are guaranteed to be matched.
- Tumbleweed

Yes and no. I couldn't see Gorton being the one, since you're right. Someone would clearly just match that offer. If the Senators weren't such a mess, someone like Dorion could win friends and influence people by offering Marner $11mx6. The Leafs couldn't let Marner walk to a divisional rival. Strategically, it would mess with the Leafs cap situation. Even offering $10.5x5 forces the Leafs hand. You know they'll match, but they aren't getting the $9 - $9.5 they want.

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A 2 year, 8M dollar contract would be great for the Leafs.

Not sure why Marner would be interested in that but they, crazier things have happened.
- Scabeh

This.

The premise of a bridge assumes he’ll be in line for more than he wants now if he performs after a couple more big seasons. Numbers the leafs believe may not be sustainable. Ie- subban awhile back

Thing is, he’s already performed for multiple seasons and it’s probably not like he’ll be in line for significantly more than the 11 he wants now if in fact he has two more big seasons.

“I take 3 less now just to get a comparable number to the one I’m already demanding. Only later “

Don’t see why he agrees to it unless he really wants to remain a leaf

A 2 year, 8M dollar contract would be great for the Leafs.

Not sure why Marner would be interested in that but they, crazier things have happened.
- Scabeh

The only way I could see it is if he's thinking the cap goes up and he can sign his 8 year deal and get 13-15% of the cap. Could be worth another 1MM+/year

The only way I could see it is if he's thinking the cap goes up and he can sign his 8 year deal and get 13-15% of the cap. Could be worth another 1MM+/year
- lonnyBohonos

You're right.

I just feel like he's taking a big risk. If he performs less than last season (aka 90+ points) or gets injured, that % will drop significantly.

He's already had his big season (unlike most players getting a bridge deal) I feel like it's way too risky for him to gamble it all on the next two years.

Then again, I might just be a big chicken financially.

I think we should have more people explain to us what a great idea it is to offer him 5 * 10.5

(we won't mention that the Leafs will match)

OR...

maybe we should talk about how GMs would probably rather have him over Panarin at 10+ million

(we won't mention that thing about Panarin being a UFA and the bunch of picks a team gives up to sign Marner)

Yes and no. I couldn't see Gorton being the one, since you're right. Someone would clearly just match that offer. If the Senators weren't such a mess, someone like Dorion could win friends and influence people by offering Marner $11mx6. The Leafs couldn't let Marner walk to a divisional rival. Strategically, it would mess with the Leafs cap situation. Even offering $10.5x5 forces the Leafs hand. You know they'll match, but they aren't getting the $9 - $9.5 they want.
- Monkeypunk

then you risk torpedoing your career to be part of the sens???

i doubt marner has the balls to sign a offer sheet. what if the leafs don't match? does he really want to risk playing for another team?

then you risk torpedoing your career to be part of the sens???

i doubt marner has the balls to sign a offer sheet. what if the leafs don't match? does he really want to risk playing for another team?
- Tumbleweed

He probably doesn't. But what the hell do we know about it?

You're right.

I just feel like he's taking a big risk. If he performs less than last season (aka 90+ points) or gets injured, that % will drop significantly.

He's already had his big season (unlike most players getting a bridge deal) I feel like it's way too risky for him to gamble it all on the next two years.

Then again, I might just be a big chicken financially.
- Scabeh

Well one thing that is definitely happening is these kids are more willing to take a risk. 8 years used to be the big incentive.

Now they are realizing they can extort (or try extort) huge dollars but only commit to 5 years... when they can "re level" themselves.

They want to get paid now, and later.

It's why I want to see GMs stand firm with all the RFA's. You know they won't though.

He probably doesn't. But what the hell do we know about it?
- Scabeh

I am still not sure he wants to be here while Babcock is here. I really think something isn't great in that room.

Well one thing that is definitely happening is these kids are more willing to take a risk. 8 years used to be the big incentive.

Now they are realizing they can extort (or try extort) huge dollars but only commit to 5 years... when they can "re level" themselves.

They want to get paid now, and later.

It's why I want to see GMs stand firm with all the RFA's. You know they won't though.
- Aetherial

You're right, going for 5 years instead of 8 seems like a new trend for top young players. Good for them to have that confidence.

5 years still gives you plenty of security though.

2 years is pretty god damn short.

I am still not sure he wants to be here while Babcock is here. I really think something isn't great in that room.
- Aetherial

Well according to Mike Commodore, Babcock is a piece of poop that no one likes.

I'm not saying it's the truth but he's obviously a polarizing guy.

Once Zaitsev bonus is paid, and Myers and Gardiner sign ... I think there is a market for him without having to add a "sweetener".

You're right, going for 5 years instead of 8 seems like a new trend for top young players. Good for them to have that confidence.

5 years still gives you plenty of security though.

2 years is pretty god damn short.
- Scabeh

It isn't even confidence. They are willing to go for 5 because they are also asking HUGE dollars... way more than players who outperformed them even.

Well according to Mike Commodore, Babcock is a piece of poop that no one likes.

I'm not saying it's the truth but he's obviously a polarizing guy.
- Scabeh

agreed.

Well according to Mike Commodore, Babcock is a piece of poop that no one likes.

I'm not saying it's the truth but he's obviously a polarizing guy.
- Scabeh

Don't most people really dislike Mike Commodore, though?

Once Zaitsev bonus is paid, and Myers and Gardiner sign ... I think there is a market for him without having to add a "sweetener".
- Aetherial

will you cheer for gardiner when he scores for the habs against the leafs?

Don't most people really dislike Mike Commodore, though?
- Monkeypunk

Youppi and Gritty's cousin

This.

The premise of a bridge assumes he’ll be in line for more than he wants now if he performs after a couple more big seasons. Numbers the leafs believe may not be sustainable. Ie- subban awhile back

Thing is, he’s already performed for multiple seasons and it’s probably not like he’ll be in line for significantly more than the 11 he wants now if in fact he has two more big seasons.

“I take 3 less now just to get a comparable number to the one I’m already demanding. Only later “

Don’t see why he agrees to it unless he really wants to remain a leaf
- HB77

The Leafs have every right to demand a "prove it" deal. He has had success as a 60 point player previously. His success this year could be a flash in the pan attributed to John Tavares success along with his placement on Marner's line.
Do it for another couple seasons and prove you're a 90 point player moving forward and not a 65 point player who caught lightning in a bottle.

I like Marner and obviously want him signed. I'm fine with the Leafs making him the highest paid winger in the NHL. I understand the Leafs reluctance to just say "pick a number'.

then you risk torpedoing your career to be part of the sens???

i doubt marner has the balls to sign a offer sheet. what if the leafs don't match? does he really want to risk playing for another team?
- Tumbleweed

I was more, by example, thinking of Buffalo or Montreal. Ottawa is such a tire fire they really can't risk the 4 1sts. If Marner signed, they'd be like, "No, no! We were KIDDING! KIDDING! HA-HA. Please don't make us do this." Then they'd trade him for a 1st, C-level prospect, and over-priced contract to compensate.

If you're Marner, you probably don't want to leave Toronto regardless. So this is merely the hypothetical situation where his camp is attempting to get what he wants by leveraging an actual signed offer sheet - knowing that there is a specific price-point the Leafs will very likely match to, and that's probably right up to $11.

There ain’t no rest for the wicked!