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James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jun 25 @ 1:25 PM ET
James Tanner: Coyotes Acquire Carl Soderberg in Trade with Colorado Avalanche
halo63
Joined: 01.02.2015

Jun 25 @ 1:28 PM ET
You’re wrong. Follow the logic here- Chayka made the trade. Chayka is a genius GM. Therefore, this is a genius trade.

It cannot be otherwise, if you think otherwise you’re wrong. Unless you bring factual information, then haha big joke you thought I was serious lolol
Footer52
Season Ticket Holder
Colorado Avalanche
Location: CRESTONE, CO
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 25 @ 1:28 PM ET
BIG 'OL CARL!
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 25 @ 1:42 PM ET
James Tanner: Coyotes Acquire Carl Soderberg in Trade with Colorado Avalanche
- James_Tanner

BAD DEAL FROM ONE OF THE BOY WONDERS! MAKES NO SENSE!
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 25 @ 1:56 PM ET
I think Soderberg is a good addition, but I think you overpaid. That trade was a favor for Col to free up space. If anything they should have sent a 3rd to AZ. Overall not a bad deal.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 25 @ 2:02 PM ET
Connauton appeared to be the oddman our (although the eastern conference losing skid ended when he was re-inserted for Chychrun...). Soderberg will bring 2nd line production about being a defensive drag. He’s the Richard Panik replacement except he’s proven to have a bit more upside with less of a physical impact. I would assume Chayka is still looking for a top 6 player although he’s certainly muddied the cap situation a bit here

Still, the final roster doesn’t go out on June 25th - we’re still a ways away there
Levit8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Joined: 07.24.2015

Jun 25 @ 2:05 PM ET
Please refresh my memory: how many NHL minutes did Hayton and Merkley play last year?
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jun 25 @ 2:12 PM ET
If you look at an impact chart 10% of player's significantly effect the game.

There is a smaller range of effectiveness between the bottom 90% of players than there is for the top 10%.

A slightly good bottom 6 player is not significantly better than the worst player in the league.

Therefore in a cap league, its a high reward, low risk play to use rookies with upside vs paying tje Carl Soderbergs of the world.

jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 2:14 PM ET
Capfriendly has the Coyotes with the 2nd least amount of cap room after Vegas.

With that roster?

Who’s managing this stuff?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 25 @ 2:15 PM ET
If you look at an impact chart 10% of player's significantly effect the game.

There is a smaller range of effectiveness between the bottom 90% of players than there is for the top 10%.

A slightly good bottom 6 player is not significantly better than the worst player in the league.

Therefore in a cap league, its a high reward, low risk play to use rookies with upside vs paying tje Carl Soderbergs of the world.

- James_Tanner


See what happens when you try to lowball getting someone like Kessel!
FoppaForever
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 11.13.2018

Jun 25 @ 2:20 PM ET
Hopefully you realize that with 23 G and 49 P this "bottom of the lineup player" is now the leading scorer from last season on your team.

Chayka is giving Joe even more cap space for something big.
Dyaciuk
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 2:21 PM ET
From the Avs side of things this makes no sense either. The last thing they needed was another d-man unless they are trading Barrie and have a deal lined up already. Without a signed Zadorov or Connor Timmons on the roster they have 7 signed d-men counting . This is assuming Nemeth and Lindholm both walk as well.

Yes this is a Connauton and I wouldn't put him as an upgrade over Nemeth.

We have massive holes at C even with Soderberg and I see nobody in the system that I put as an immediate upgrade over him at Center. Maybe they are going to Offer sheet someone. Cap was not an issue this year and Soderberg came off the books before it would have been an issue.

This is a puzzling trade from both sides as I don't see either team substantially better from it from an immediate impact for the 2019 - 2020 season.
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 2:24 PM ET
Great trade for Avs. Getting a 3rd pick for a guy making that dough at that age is good value. A depth D-man never hurts.

Avs have $39 million in cap space
Avalanchephenom
Joined: 04.19.2014

Jun 25 @ 2:30 PM ET
It does makes sense for the Avs , they gave up a player that hit 20 goals once in his career , can’t skate or finish , making 5 Mil? Not worth it , more salary space to make some serious moves in free agency. Also Cole and Johnson has off season surgery and it sounds like they won’t be 100 percent ready for the season opener. More D depth is never a bad thing
Levit8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Joined: 07.24.2015

Jun 25 @ 3:05 PM ET
If you look in the toilet you'll see 90% of James's blogs.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 25 @ 3:10 PM ET
wonder if this means Dvorak gets dealt
Levit8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Joined: 07.24.2015

Jun 25 @ 3:11 PM ET
wonder if this means Dvorak gets dealt
- Nucker101


After the wunderkind signed him to that amazing bargain of a contract? I doubt it.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 25 @ 3:36 PM ET
If you look in the toilet you'll see 90% of James's blogs.
- Levit8


RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 25 @ 3:57 PM ET
But but but but Chayka.... Boy Genius????

Is the bloom off that rose yet?
Johnnytoronto
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 4:02 PM ET
So the ‘Yotes don’t need a guy that had more points than anyone else on their roster?

Right...
jmichael7753
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:07 PM ET
Hayton has not played a game of pro hockey. How can you say he can play top 6 minutes this coming season? Soderberg scored 23 goals and 49 points last season on the Avs third line. If he plays with Keller he could match or surpass that. Also Dvorak and Stepan are absolutely not bottom 6 guys. It's absolutely frustrating that these crappy takes are from the main Coyotes blogger on hockey buzz. I guess the apple (Tanner) doesn't fall far from the tree (Eklund).
jmichael7753
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:07 PM ET
But but but but Chayka.... Boy Genius????

Is the bloom off that rose yet?

- RoloTahmasee



No even close. This is a great move just like most of his other deals.
Levit8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Joined: 07.24.2015

Jun 25 @ 4:25 PM ET
Hayton has not played a game of pro hockey. How can you say he can play top 6 minutes this coming season? Soderberg scored 23 goals and 49 points last season on the Avs third line. If he plays with Keller he could match or surpass that. Also Dvorak and Stepan are absolutely not bottom 6 guys. It's absolutely frustrating that these crappy takes are from the main Coyotes blogger on hockey buzz. I guess the apple (Tanner) doesn't fall far from the tree (Eklund).
- jmichael7753


If I didn't have like, a million other better things to do, I'd take it over. And I'd be soooo much better at it. I have statistics to back this up too.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jun 25 @ 5:28 PM ET
Hayton has not played a game of pro hockey. How can you say he can play top 6 minutes this coming season? Soderberg scored 23 goals and 49 points last season on the Avs third line. If he plays with Keller he could match or surpass that. Also Dvorak and Stepan are absolutely not bottom 6 guys. It's absolutely frustrating that these crappy takes are from the main Coyotes blogger on hockey buzz. I guess the apple (Tanner) doesn't fall far from the tree (Eklund).
- jmichael7753



Please enlighten me with evidence that a contending team could use Stepan or Dvorak in their top six and be a contending team.

Soderberg is a 34 year old player who isn't going to repeat his numbers from last year. If he plays with Keller, I sure as ___ hope it's because the Coyotes are tanking.

You are "absolutely frustrated" that you get "crappy takes" on this site, but what you're really saying is that you are annoyed that I don't mirror what you think, which is a preposterous standard to hold someone too, as you clearly are a genius.
Levit8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Joined: 07.24.2015

Jun 25 @ 5:56 PM ET
Please enlighten me with evidence that a contending team could use Stepan or Dvorak in their top six and be a contending team.

Soderberg is a 34 year old player who isn't going to repeat his numbers from last year. If he plays with Keller, I sure as ___ hope it's because the Coyotes are tanking.

You are "absolutely frustrated" that you get "crappy takes" on this site, but what you're really saying is that you are annoyed that I don't mirror what you think, which is a preposterous standard to hold someone too, as you clearly are a genius.

- James_Tanner


Please enlighten me how you know this? What crystal ball are you looking into? Fact is, you consistently present (incorrect) opinions as fact.

The author is not annoyed because you don't mirror what he thinks. That is what your echo chamber is for. Your takes are objectively crappy. There are statistics to back this up. If you can't find them, I'll be happy to make them up for you.

Finally, compared to you, he is a genius. So am I. I'm never wrong. As Cenk Uyger likes to say, "Look it up".
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