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ToddCordellVAN
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 09.04.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:24 AM ET
HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Thoughts on the J.T. Miller trade?
AxlRose91
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:33 AM ET
Not sure there’s much else to be said. This trade is so idiotic. Which, as a Leafs fan, I’m typically fine with. But in this instance, Benning has also done Tampa a favour. Which is idiotic AND infuriating

jvar17
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 08.18.2014

Jun 25 @ 11:43 AM ET
Great trade
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 25 @ 11:43 AM ET
i pretty much agree with everyone in this blog.

i like the player, but hate the trade. Benning Stan's will say that you paid for his contract stability, but I can't get behind the cost. Again, like the player in a top 6 role, but hate the cost.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:51 AM ET
i pretty much agree with everyone in this blog.

i like the player, but hate the trade. Benning Stan's will say that you paid for his contract stability, but I can't get behind the cost. Again, like the player in a top 6 role, but hate the cost.

- Codes1087

Give him 10 games and you won’t like the player
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 25 @ 11:55 AM ET
Give him 10 games and you won’t like the player
- Slimtj100


have you seen what the Canucks have deployed in their top 6 the last few years?
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Jun 25 @ 12:05 PM ET
The trade's really not bad at all. Forget about helping Tampa out because Vancouver could care less about that. Miller is a good player that team want and the price wasn't unreasonable. Before Miller and when they eventually pay Myers way too much money, they were already a mediocre team with a decent shot at the playoffs since the division is garbage. After Miller and Myers, they're probably a playoff team.

The only way the trade is awful is if they're awful for the next two years. They have a top six guy for the next four years. There's no guarantee they player they'd be drafting in the 10-20 range ever even becomes an NHLer.
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:09 PM ET
It's not fun watching everybody slam Benning and basically laughing at your team. Makes me wanna defend my GM and be ok with the trade. But I can't. Under no circumstances should TBY have been able to get a 1st with the cap problems they had.
This trade is inexcusable. Add more, the state the Canucks are in right now. To trade a 1st is mind blowing.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 25 @ 12:11 PM ET
The trade's really not bad at all. Forget about helping Tampa out because Vancouver could care less about that. Miller is a good player that team want and the price wasn't unreasonable. Before Miller and when they eventually pay Myers way too much money, they were already a mediocre team with a decent shot at the playoffs since the division is garbage. After Miller and Myers, they're probably a playoff team.

The only way the trade is awful is if they're awful for the next two years. They have a top six guy for the next four years. There's no guarantee they player they'd be drafting in the 10-20 range ever even becomes an NHLer.

- Hunkulese


Players like Krebs and Newhook were drafted by teams who made the playoffs. If the Canucks make the playoffs, but lose out in the first or second round, which is expected IF they make it, that is the type of player they risk losing.
Mike27
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Penticton, BC
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jun 25 @ 12:16 PM ET
Imagine, James Tanner calling someone "idiotic" and wondering "How is Jim Benning employed by a professional team?"!

James, we wonder that about you every day!
deuce22
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 02.13.2007

Jun 25 @ 12:21 PM ET
Agreed. Tanner's perspective is about as useless as Benning' is a GM!
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:30 PM ET
Here comes Myers @ 8*7
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Jun 25 @ 12:34 PM ET
Players like Krebs and Newhook were drafted by teams who made the playoffs. If the Canucks make the playoffs, but lose out in the first or second round, which is expected IF they make it, that is the type of player they risk losing.
- Codes1087


Krebs and Newhook aren't NHLers yet. There are plenty of players who were drafted at 15-16 who seemed like a sure fire NHLer who turned into nothing.

It's pretty much a coin flip after the top group of players in any draft. Miller is pretty much a sure thing.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 25 @ 12:41 PM ET
I don’t hate the trade. Wish Benning gave up less but I think Miller will slot into their top 6 nicely for the foreseeable future. Vancouver isn’t done obviously as they’re looking to improve their D. Travis Green has then playing well when healthy - if they remain healthy I think they’ll be in the hunt (after they improve on the backend)
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 25 @ 12:50 PM ET
Krebs and Newhook aren't NHLers yet. There are plenty of players who were drafted at 15-16 who seemed like a sure fire NHLer who turned into nothing.

It's pretty much a coin flip after the top group of players in any draft. Miller is pretty much a sure thing.

- Hunkulese


you are eliminating the chances of maybe getting a true NHL impact draft prospect when you deal 1st round picks regardless. Yes, potentionally Miller will have a bigger impact than any pick between 16-32, but is Miller worth a Boeser? a Pastrnak? Again, not distputing its a flip of a coin, but you are eliminating the possibility entirely when dealing 1st round picks, especially for a rebuilding club. We haven't made the playoffs in years, we should NOT be dealing 1st round picks.

Great teams like Tampa set record regular seasons, have full prospect cupboards, get out of cap troubles AND acquire future first round picks. That is how you run a club.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jun 25 @ 1:04 PM ET
Krebs and Newhook were weird name drop choices considering they could still be nothing more than career AHLers which would ultimately prove the opposite point.

Looking back a few years at the 10-20 selections probably would’ve been the better choice for what you were trying to accomplish. But then you’re faced with the problem of choosing between a Matt Barzal or an Evgeny Svechnikov.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 25 @ 1:11 PM ET
Miller at MOST should have been able to be got for a 2nd and a 3rd, or 2 2nds

No way it should have been had for a 1st, not even close given the situation
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 25 @ 1:11 PM ET
Krebs and Newhook were weird name drop choices considering they could still be nothing more than career AHLers which would ultimately prove the opposite point.

Looking back a few years at the 10-20 selections probably would’ve been the better choice for what you were trying to accomplish. But then you’re faced with the problem of choosing between a Matt Barzal or an Evgeny Svechnikov.

- RonPielep


we could go back and forth and analyze all players chosen from 16-32, the liklihood of them being impact NHL'ers, and compare to Miller, but that isn't the point. My point mainly was that a club who doesn't have the strongest prospect cupboard, has cap space to utilize, hasn't made the playoffs in how many years, and is rebuilding, is dealing future 1st round picks for players, it isn't exactly the best for the future.

To play devils advocate, the Canucks need to start being good at some point, and transition from "tanking" and being bad, and eventually look to make the playoffs, but I think they are reaching if they think that is next year.
BlackhawkMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.30.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:13 PM ET
Pick back to Tampa was horrible, Vancouver needs to move to Memphis like the Grizzlies did.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jun 25 @ 1:21 PM ET
we could go back and forth and analyze all players chosen from 16-32, the liklihood of them being impact NHL'ers, and compare to Miller, but that isn't the point. My point mainly was that a club who doesn't have the strongest prospect cupboard, has cap space to utilize, hasn't made the playoffs in how many years, and is rebuilding, is dealing future 1st round picks for players, it isn't exactly the best for the future.

To play devils advocate, the Canucks need to start being good at some point, and transition from "tanking" and being bad, and eventually look to make the playoffs, but I think they are reaching if they think that is next year.

- Codes1087


I can agree with your overall point but I think the Nucks management is looking at playoffs within 2 years or bust. And I don’t think that’s entirely unfair given their patience over the last 4 or so years, their financial flexibility, the amazing opportunity with the disastrous state of the western conference and their bright looking young stars. I’m guessing they spend some money this summer and if they still aren’t in the playoffs they become a cap ceiling team next summer to really make the push. I see upgrading the blue line as the biggest priority to become competitive.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jun 25 @ 1:26 PM ET
Agreed. Tanner's perspective is about as useless as Benning' is a GM!
- deuce22

Well Benning did learn from the best (GM at the time) during his tenure in Boston........
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 25 @ 1:28 PM ET
I can agree with your overall point but I think the Nucks management is looking at playoffs within 2 years or bust. And I don’t think that’s entirely unfair given their patience over the last 4 or so years, their financial flexibility, the amazing opportunity with the disastrous state of the western conference and their bright looking young stars. I’m guessing they spend some money this summer and if they still aren’t in the playoffs they become a cap ceiling team next summer to really make the push. I see upgrading the blue line as the biggest priority to become competitive.
- RonPielep


we didn't use a single pick in this draft on a D-man, and are reportedly offering Myers 7 years. I can't even tell you how afraid I am for July 1st.
Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:33 PM ET
The trade's really not bad at all. Forget about helping Tampa out because Vancouver could care less about that. Miller is a good player that team want and the price wasn't unreasonable. Before Miller and when they eventually pay Myers way too much money, they were already a mediocre team with a decent shot at the playoffs since the division is garbage. After Miller and Myers, they're probably a playoff team.

The only way the trade is awful is if they're awful for the next two years. They have a top six guy for the next four years. There's no guarantee they player they'd be drafting in the 10-20 range ever even becomes an NHLer.

- Hunkulese


I have a hard time deciding if Benning is trying to emulate Burkie or Chia. Canucks need to draft in the top 10 for a couple more years before they chase a Myers and/or trade away 1st round picks. Ideally, you should be signing/trading for thèses guys when you have a playoff roster and need a piece or two to get you over the top. if you're signing these guys to become a playoff team, thats short sighted and asking for trouble.
Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:37 PM ET
you are eliminating the chances of maybe getting a true NHL impact draft prospect when you deal 1st round picks regardless. Yes, potentionally Miller will have a bigger impact than any pick between 16-32, but is Miller worth a Boeser? a Pastrnak? Again, not distputing its a flip of a coin, but you are eliminating the possibility entirely when dealing 1st round picks, especially for a rebuilding club. We haven't made the playoffs in years, we should NOT be dealing 1st round picks.

Great teams like Tampa set record regular seasons, have full prospect cupboards, get out of cap troubles AND acquire future first round picks. That is how you run a club.

- Codes1087


Absolutely agree!

2018-19 STL Blues and OTT Sens are perfect examples of when you should and shouldnt trade your 1st round pick
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 25 @ 1:43 PM ET
I have a hard time deciding if Benning is trying to emulate Burkie or Chia. Canucks need to draft in the top 10 for a couple more years before they chase a Myers and/or trade away 1st round picks. Ideally, you should be signing/trading for thèses guys when you have a playoff roster and need a piece or two to get you over the top. if you're signing these guys to become a playoff team, thats short sighted and asking for trouble.
- Turnitaround


This is why Trevor Linden left

He wanted to be patient, draft and build

Aquillini wanted playoff revenue NOW, hence the FA signings and win now trades

Benning is a Puppet
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