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Teach your kids that life is like the Leafs.

No matter how many times you fall short, get up on both feet and keep moving forward.

You are the best.

(frank) the haters, they're all jealous petty losers.

Maata’s too slow IMO
- Garnie

Agree and not what Leafs need. Please no more tofu suggestions for D-men.

Said earlier, injuries have ruined a once promising career for maata. His ice time was 5th among pens d. So no, not a top 4. If he didn't have the injury history, I might be more interested.

Because?

He was a key top 4 D when the Penguins won 2 Cups and he's still only 24.

Perfect replacement for Muzzin when his contract expires. Replaces Hainsey. Replaces Dermott while he's hurt.

Johnsson's going to get 2-3 million, better off spending that money on defense anyway.

It would have been a great deal for the Leafs.
- JohnFergusonJr

Johnson had 40 points and 20 goals avg 13.5 min of ice time. You don't want to see what he could do over a full season at around 16 to l8 min a game? Also while Matta was great on the pens ok, he was fifth on the team among dmen for ice time. He's not the same kid anymore that had that rookie season. It's a miracle for him to play a full season.
I probably would have moved a 2nd for him.

Said earlier, injuries have ruined a once promising career for maata. His ice time was 5th among pens d. So no, not a top 4. If he didn't have the injury history, I might be more interested.
- mykokes

Leafs have better than Matta in the minors at close to league minimum. Why on Earth would they trade for him? If Leafs make a trade for a D-Man has to be one that actually makes a difference, not a filler/cereal type.

Leafs have better than Matta in the minors at close to league minimum. Why on Earth would they trade for him? If Leafs make a trade for a D-Man has to be one that actually makes a difference, not a filler/cereal type.
- winsix

I doubt thats true. Highly doubt.

They have some kids with promise to be better but the chances any 9f them can step into the NHL in his spot and succeed right away are near zero.

I am in no way advocating picking mattaa up. No thank you.

But id rather go with our cheaper youth. Despite the fact that its a temporary step back.

I doubt thats true. Highly doubt.

They have some kids with promise to be better but the chances any 9f them can step into the NHL in his spot and succeed right away are near zero.

I am in no way advocating picking mattaa up. No thank you.

But id rather go with our cheaper youth. Despite the fact that its a temporary step back.
- prock

Sandin if he's ready projects way higher than Maatta, ditto for Liljegrin. Your point about being NHL battle ready is valid especially for a d-man. Maatta salary at $4 million approaches that of Zaitsev. His numbers don't justify the cap hit especially to the Leafs. Just think if we make a trade for a d-man - which is likely, it should be for a player the will have a significant impact

Sandin if he's ready projects way higher than Maatta, ditto for Liljegrin. Your point about being NHL battle ready is valid especially for a d-man. Maatta salary at $4 million approaches that of Zaitsev. His numbers don't justify the cap hit especially to the Leafs. Just think if we make a trade for a d-man - which is likely, it should be for a player the will have a significant impact
- winsix

As i said im not advocating targeting him. Not interested at all.

My entire point was that while sandin and arguably liljegren might PROJECT to be a better player than mattaa that doesnt mean that they are. And may never be. Remember mattaa himself at one point PROJECTED to be a solid first pair guy.

As i said im not advocating targeting him. Not interested at all.

My entire point was that while sandin and arguably liljegren might PROJECT to be a better player than mattaa that doesnt mean that they are. And may never be. Remember mattaa himself at one point PROJECTED to be a solid first pair guy.
- prock

Maatta is a 5-6 d-man on a good team, has had 5 years to prove his value. He is soft and slow and has hit an unremarkable 29 points twice on a team that is offense first. Would rather go with two of Rosen, Borgman, Sandin or Liljegrin for the 6-7 spots and find a bruiser for the #5 d-man. Replace Gardiner with a dman that doesn't sh!t the bed when there's pressure.

I see your point about a step back, because there are probably 5 d-man slots to fill for September. Dermott likely out until November, only Muzzin and Rielly remain. In my opinion at least two of the spots that need to be filed should be reliable vets.

Maatta is a 5-6 d-man on a good team, has had 5 years to prove his value. He is soft and slow and has hit an unremarkable 29 points twice on a team that is offense first. Would rather go with two of Rosen, Borgman, Sandin or Liljegrin for the 6-7 spots and find a bruiser for the #5 d-man. Replace Gardiner with a dman that doesn't sh!t the bed when there's pressure.

I see your point about a step back, because there are probably 5 d-man slots to fill for September. Dermott likely out until November, only Muzzin and Rielly remain. In my opinion at least two of the spots that need to be filed should be reliable vets.
- winsix

Mattaa is a 5 or 6 dman on a good team. Sandin, rosen, liljegren are not necessarily a third pairing dman on a good team yet. They havent even shown they can be an AHL injury call up yet.

But as i say, id rather rotate these guys unto the lineup, and deal with their struggles as they develop rather than trade for mattaa. Id leave two spots for these guys to fill. Not necessarily the same guy, but they each get stints.

Mattaa is a 5 or 6 dman on a good team. Sandin, rosen, liljegren are not necessarily a third pairing dman on a go9d team yet. They havent even shown they can be an AHL injury call up yet.

But as i say, id rather rotate these guys unto the lineup, and deal with their strugglea as they develop rather than trade f9r mattaa.
- prock

Maata's cap hit is too high

The Leafs have better options to get a better d man with the assets they have.

Johnson had 40 points and 20 goals avg 13.5 min of ice time. You don't want to see what he could do over a full season at around 16 to l8 min a game? Also while Matta was great on the pens ok, he was fifth on the team among dmen for ice time. He's not the same kid anymore that had that rookie season. It's a miracle for him to play a full season.
I probably would have moved a 2nd for him.
- mykokes

I like Johnnson better than Kap.

Kap needs to figure it out...He could be a legit top flight player if he puts in the work this offseason to put on muscle and learn how to be more east west.

North South he is at the top of the class.

I would look into a deal centered around Kap and Sanhiem

I like Johnnson better than Kap.

Kap needs to figure it out...He could be a legit top flight player if he puts in the work this offseason to put on muscle and learn how to be more east west.

North South he is at the top of the class.

I would look into a deal centered around Kap and Sanhiem
- Santo_44

Rather trade Nylander and keep Kap

Watched all of Tavares' goals this year on Youtube. He and Marner are just such filthy chocolate.

Because?

He was a key top 4 D when the Penguins won 2 Cups and he's still only 24.

Perfect replacement for Muzzin when his contract expires. Replaces Hainsey. Replaces Dermott while he's hurt.

Johnsson's going to get 2-3 million, better off spending that money on defense anyway.

It would have been a great deal for the Leafs.
- JohnFergusonJr

He may be young but hes a left D (which isnt really needed). He is also an injury prone guy. I would try to stay away from those.

Sad thing is he really could have been great except injuries have set him back. Poor kid.

Watched all of Tavares' goals this year on Youtube. He and Marner are just such filthy chocolate.
- Zezel

Dark or milk?

I'm surprised Zaitsev hasnt been moved yet. Does he also have a signing bonus July 1? I figure that is why Marleau hasnt been traded yet.

I'd really like Martinez out of LA for Marleau but I am unsure what would need to be added. Another pick/prospect?

Marleau, 2nd in 2020 and borgman/equivalent forward? Would Petan be enough? I'm unsure.

Dark or milk?
- Aaron_85

marner is milk, tavares is dark...on many of the plays hyman is the vanilla and rielly is crunchy peanut butter...together forms a choice taster

new blog everyone

Maata's cap hit is too high

The Leafs have better options to get a better d man with the assets they have.
- Santo_44

I agree. If they were going to pick up mattaa id rather just keep zaitsev.

That has never been my point.

I think a ciuple of spots should go to rosen, sandin, liljegren, to ritate in and out and get NHL time.

Maybe even the other swede.

But lets be ckear, the defense will be weaker this season. Hopefully its temporary and these kids find their way.

Matta traded for scraps. Gez
- burn

Mattaa is pretty (frank)ing awful, though.

Patrick Marleau has reportedly told #LeafsForever⁠ ⁠ he would approve being moved to any Pacific division US team. #Coyotes have offered Michael Chaput and a pick for Marleau and an incentive rumored to be one of Timothy Liljigren, Andreas Johnsson and Kasperi Kapanen.



- burn

(frank) that noise.

He may be young but hes a left D (which isnt really needed). He is also an injury prone guy. I would try to stay away from those.

Sad thing is he really could have been great except injuries have set him back. Poor kid.
- Aaron_85

Muzzin only has 1 year left on his deal and then he's probably gone.

Dermott is injured to start the year.

Gardiner is gone. Hainsey is gone.

I agree, RHD are priority but a 24 year old, two time Cup winner, who was a top-4 D for the Penguins, would have been a good addition, especially at that cheap price. And he can come back from his injuries.