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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:07 AM ET
So at this point, does anybody expect the Pens to do anything besides salary dump Maatta? Feel like GMJR would really like a 2nd so can still see that.

I'd still be trying to pry Zucker out of Minnesota for Rust + a top prospect since they almost did Frolik and a pick. Not sure that fits, but they definitely want a speedy right shot.

I'm open to any suggestions on how to realistically move JJ. I'm willing to bump up Pettersson and go cheap on the 3rd pair LD with someone who can move the puck.

- Tojo.

Perhaps Hörnqvist's status has received a bump after the Worlds and we could package him with Jacko? I could see Vancouver doing that if we receive Loui Eriksson back.

As for Zucker I'd try to bring him to Pittsburgh and involve Määttä and perhaps Simon or Rust in this deal (ideally I'd try to dump Aston-Reese instead).

Gudbranson is probably a keeper since his contract sucks and he's been OK for us.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:10 AM ET
Max spoke unlike a 'career 4th liner' as well... that was my point.
- Cousinskrid


Then why would you call him a career fourth liner/replacement level player?

RW didn’t say anything about him being a career fourth liner.

Your point made no sense.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:13 AM ET
Yeesh... is there disdain/mockery for Matt Murray around the league? Might be an odd day... saw a story about what the Blues goalie may be looking for in his RFA deal after 3 league minimum contracts, and a handful of people taking shots at how Murray signed his deal and is now a bust.

Hes not been God mode like those two runs, but holy poop hes no where close to a bust. I dont think hes even signed for a high enough amount to be getting so much poop.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:16 AM ET
Then why would you call him a career fourth liner/replacement level player?

RW didn’t say anything about him being a career fourth liner.

Your point made no sense.

- j.boyd919

Pens fans hate fourth liners.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:21 AM ET
So at this point, does anybody expect the Pens to do anything besides salary dump Maatta? Feel like GMJR would really like a 2nd so can still see that.

I'd still be trying to pry Zucker out of Minnesota for Rust + a top prospect since they almost did Frolik and a pick. Not sure that fits, but they definitely want a speedy right shot.

I'm open to any suggestions on how to realistically move JJ. I'm willing to bump up Pettersson and go cheap on the 3rd pair LD with someone who can move the puck.

- Tojo.


I still think they'll move Kessel and the return won't be great......other than cap space. Once JR has his mind set on something he always follows through. I don't know how or who, I just believe the coach and GM feel his "quirks" aren't good for team chemistry.

I think we might have to take on another bad contract to remove JJ. That's the only way I see him shipped out. I'd rather have a forward with a bad contract than a D. Maybe have to retain some salary....which I'm fine with. They cannot afford to have JJ back next season.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:26 AM ET
I still think they'll move Kessel and the return won't be great......other than cap space. Once JR has his mind set on something he always follows through. I don't know how or who, I just believe the coach and GM feel his "quirks" aren't good for team chemistry.

I think we might have to take on another bad contract to remove JJ. That's the only way I see him shipped out. Maybe have to retain some salary....which I'm fine with. They cannot afford to have JJ back next season.

- madmike71

The idea that the penscoach and management just want to force Kessel out of town by any means possible is just cooked up by people like Ryan Wilson because it fits their narrative. You usually have to trade good players to receive good players. I think that’s all it comes down to with the Kessel trade talks.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jun 13 @ 9:32 AM ET
Pens fans hate fourth liners.
- Grinder47


And 3rd pairing D... like they don't belong in the NHL.

I don't know if all Pen's fans hate them, but RW sure does.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jun 13 @ 9:34 AM ET
Then why would you call him a career fourth liner/replacement level player?

RW didn’t say anything about him being a career fourth liner.

Your point made no sense.

- j.boyd919


Relax, it was a sarcastic shot-across-the-bow at RW is all. And Max did spend a good amount of ice time as a 4th liner, if my memory serves me.

j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:37 AM ET
Pens fans hate fourth liners.
- Grinder47


Nah.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:37 AM ET
And 3rd pairing D... like they don't belong in the NHL.

I don't know if all Pen's fans hate them, but RW sure does.

- Cousinskrid



Odd.. thought RW was pretty high on Pettersson and Teddy this year.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:40 AM ET
Yeesh... is there disdain/mockery for Matt Murray around the league? Might be an odd day... saw a story about what the Blues goalie may be looking for in his RFA deal after 3 league minimum contracts, and a handful of people taking shots at how Murray signed his deal and is now a bust.

Hes not been God mode like those two runs, but holy poop hes no where close to a bust. I dont think hes even signed for a high enough amount to be getting so much poop.

- Guile

I'd imagine most people around the league didn't notice how good he was after his injury where he made several adjustments. He didn't have the greatest year and a half before that, so I guess that's fair, but I'm not too worried about him. They should probably extend him quick though, just in case he has a monster year.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:48 AM ET
I'd imagine most people around the league didn't notice how good he was after his injury where he made several adjustments. He didn't have the greatest year and a half before that, so I guess that's fair, but I'm not too worried about him. They should probably extend him quick though, just in case he has a monster year.
- Tojo.



Yeah, I dont get it. Let's say he doesnt have that weak high glove side... he is likely putting up .010 save percentage higher as an average and would be looking at 8mil+ on his next contract. Cant affords that poop here.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jun 13 @ 9:49 AM ET
Odd.. thought RW was pretty high on Pettersson and Teddy this year.
- Guile


LOL, that's only because JJ spent time last season as a 2nd pairing D.

He was ok on Petts I think, and I thought he came around on Guddy as the actual trade faded in the distance.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:50 AM ET
Perhaps Hörnqvist's status has received a bump after the Worlds and we could package him with Jacko? I could see Vancouver doing that if we receive Loui Eriksson back.

As for Zucker I'd try to bring him to Pittsburgh and involve Määttä and perhaps Simon or Rust in this deal (ideally I'd try to dump Aston-Reese instead).

Gudbranson is probably a keeper since his contract sucks and he's been OK for us.

- Barnaby36

With Suter and Brodin I don't think they need Maatta. ZAR doesn't fit the fast right shot and they have a lot of LW young talent which is part of their rational for trading Zucker.

Honestly, there is a better chance of ZAR having a breakout then we get value for him in a trade. We sort of need our cheap guys like ZAR and Simon with our cap situation.

I don't think Hornqvist is moving and hopefully he bounces back from that second half slump.

Agree on Gudbranson. Honestly if I felt more confident he would play close to that well, I could see him as a 4 (Maatta's role) though they'd need a better LD like Gardiner to play with him.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:54 AM ET
The Flyers blogger mentioned that if Hayes doesn’t sign that they could (speculation) go after Kadri. Is there a more perfect fit? Dude plays over the line, scores in a 2C role, and would be yet another dynamic PP option for that team
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:55 AM ET
I still think they'll move Kessel and the return won't be great......other than cap space. Once JR has his mind set on something he always follows through. I don't know how or who, I just believe the coach and GM feel his "quirks" aren't good for team chemistry.

I think we might have to take on another bad contract to remove JJ. That's the only way I see him shipped out. I'd rather have a forward with a bad contract than a D. Maybe have to retain some salary....which I'm fine with. They cannot afford to have JJ back next season.

- madmike71

I think Kessel comes down to if a team he's willing to play for makes a better offer than they are now.

I want JJ gone so bad. I'd do Rask though I'd force him to wing because I'm not willing to displace Blueger for him. If they could find a match at RW, that would be ideal since they really don't have anyone for Garrett Wilson's spot.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:58 AM ET
I still think they'll move Kessel and the return won't be great......other than cap space. Once JR has his mind set on something he always follows through. I don't know how or who, I just believe the coach and GM feel his "quirks" aren't good for team chemistry.

I think we might have to take on another bad contract to remove JJ. That's the only way I see him shipped out. I'd rather have a forward with a bad contract than a D. Maybe have to retain some salary....which I'm fine with. They cannot afford to have JJ back next season.

- madmike71

Disagree big time on Kessel’s value. It’s only going to go up with all of these other guys moving up with the cap. At least two significant pieces would come back our way.

Now that ownership is being sorted out in AZ (June 19th) it wouldn’t surprise me if they go after Kessel after missing out in FA
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:00 AM ET
LOL, that's only because JJ spent time last season as a 2nd pairing D.

He was ok on Petts I think, and I thought he came around on Guddy as the actual trade faded in the distance.

- Cousinskrid

I think the only real problem people had with Pettersson is he doesn't have the upside of Sprong.

It's impossible to criticize Gudbranson's play here for an analytics guy, but most still would prefer to move him including RW.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 13 @ 10:11 AM ET
Disagree big time on Kessel’s value. It’s only going to go up with all of these other guys moving up with the cap. At least two significant pieces would come back our way.

Now that ownership is being sorted out in AZ (June 19th) it wouldn’t surprise me if they go after Kessel after missing out in FA

- WSCTeton17


I hope ur right, but it seems Kessel is pretty damn willing to control where he lands. If the market is really small, just like JR says.... "In situations like this, it usually doesn’t work out so well for the team. That’s just the way it is."

What if Zona doesn't miss out in FA?
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:17 AM ET
I hope ur right, but it seems Kessel is pretty damn willing to control where he lands. If the market is really small, just like JR says.... "In situations like this, it usually doesn’t work out so well for the team. That’s just the way it is."

What if Zona doesn't miss out in FA?

- madmike71


Zona looked pretty damn promising last year. They played quality hockey a lot of nights. If they add a big piece or two they will be well on their way to the playoffs IMO.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:18 AM ET
I hope ur right, but it seems Kessel is pretty damn willing to control where he lands. If the market is really small, just like JR says.... "In situations like this, it usually doesn’t work out so well for the team. That’s just the way it is."

What if Zona doesn't miss out in FA?

- madmike71

I read some articles saying Arizona was trying to get Kessel for 2nd tier prospects and get the Pens to retain salary.

I just don't see anything in Arizona they'd part with that I'd be willing to trade Kessel for, and that's from a guy who'd prefer to trade Kessel.

My hope continues to be Nashville missing Duchene. I think once Duchene and Panarin are off the board Kessel starts looking more attractive.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 10:18 AM ET
I think the only real problem people had with Pettersson is he doesn't have the upside of Sprong.

It's impossible to criticize Gudbranson's play here for an analytics guy, but most still would prefer to move him including RW.

- Tojo.


Garrett Wilson is awful. Dude could be replaced with a bag of pucks and make the same impacts. (frank) it just linenup cardboard Orpik at 4th line RW
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jun 13 @ 10:27 AM ET
Garrett Wilson is awful. Dude could be replaced with a bag of pucks and make the same impacts. (frank) it just linenup cardboard Orpik at 4th line RW
- j.boyd919


Wilson may not be anything more than one of those dreaded '4th line guys' we all know and love, but I will always appreciate the efforts he and Cullen (pretty much alone) put forth in that sorry excuse for a playoff series the Pens hardly managed against the Isles. They both scored goals (2 of the 6 TOTAL for the series, if I'm not mistaken) and he was banging guys... ala Bruins vs Blues... every time he was on the ice.
Not saying they're not replaceable, but give credit where credit is due.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 13 @ 10:32 AM ET
I read some articles saying Arizona was trying to get Kessel for 2nd tier prospects and get the Pens to retain salary.

I just don't see anything in Arizona they'd part with that I'd be willing to trade Kessel for, and that's from a guy who'd prefer to trade Kessel.

My hope continues to be Nashville missing Duchene. I think once Duchene and Panarin are off the board Kessel starts looking more attractive.

- Tojo.


That's absolutely believable. Why make a legit offer when you know there are few other buyers? For all we know they might be the only team on Phil's list making an offer.

I do agree that things can change pretty quickly once the big names are off the board in FA.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 13 @ 10:36 AM ET
Zona looked pretty damn promising last year. They played quality hockey a lot of nights. If they add a big piece or two they will be well on their way to the playoffs IMO.
- MattStrat


Agreed. They are a solid team with solid goaltending (when healthy). If they could add Duchene and then someone like Kessel? They'd be a VERY good team.

I still think that Strome trade was a massive mistake, but if Tocchet wasn't going to put him in a position to thrive then it's good they moved him out.
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