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daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Jun 12 @ 11:20 PM ET
It’s a dumb statement but blah, blah, blah.

Schenn’s first season with the blues, he has a career high of 70 points. His second he wins a cup. Both years he’s centering the top line. I have news for year, we didn’t know what to do with him. He was a winger most of his time here. Now we expect what? Kevin Hayes to offer the same impact? I’m not trying to be a jerk but we traded away players that could have been good for us, the Flyers, in the prime of their careers.

I wanna win and I’m sick of the excuses, as if we’re doing right.

- SuperSchennBros

But Hextall had a plan.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jun 12 @ 11:21 PM ET
Flyers also traded Carter to Columbus. What he did in LA is kind of moot imo.
- hereticpride


Agreed, if you go back, the real clear loser was Columbus. Gave up Jake and a 1st that became Couturier for Carter. They then traded Carter for Jack Johnson...ouch.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 12 @ 11:21 PM ET
It’s a dumb statement but blah, blah, blah.

Schenn’s first season with the blues, he has a career high of 70 points. His second he wins a cup. Both years he’s centering the top line. I have news for year, we didn’t know what to do with him. He was a winger most of his time here. Now we expect what? Kevin Hayes to offer the same impact? I’m not trying to be a jerk but we traded away players that could have been good for us, the Flyers, in the prime of their careers.

I wanna win and I’m sick of the excuses, as if we’re doing right.

- SuperSchennBros

Hayes, plus Frost and Farabee. If you want to be fair about it.

I don't the Flyers were a Schenn away from contending for the cup anyway so it's kind of a useless argument.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 12 @ 11:22 PM ET
Agreed, if you go back, the real clear loser was Columbus. Gave up Jake and a 1st that became Couturier for Carter. They then traded Carter for Jack Johnson...ouch.
- Sublime55

Yeah, they got totally fleeced in the end. Brutal pair of trades for them.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Jun 12 @ 11:22 PM ET
Hayes, plus Frost and Farabee. If you want to be fair about it.

I don't the Flyers were a Schenn away from contending for the cup anyway so it's kind of a useless argument.

- hereticpride


I'd use stupid.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Jun 12 @ 11:24 PM ET
Hayes, plus Frost and Farabee. If you want to be fair about it.

I don't the Flyers were a Schenn away from contending for the cup anyway so it's kind of a useless argument.

- hereticpride

How is adding Hayes to that being fair ?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 12 @ 11:27 PM ET
How is adding Hayes to that being fair ?
- daryl stanley

Essentially giving Schenn's cap space to Hayes. You could sub JVR for Hayes as well I suppose.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Jun 12 @ 11:28 PM ET
Essentially giving Schenn's cap space to Hayes. You could sub JVR for Hayes as well I suppose.
- hereticpride

I don’t view it that way. Each is their own
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jun 12 @ 11:38 PM ET
They were truly remarkable. I’d like to know if throughout any of the major sports in modern times that a team won the championship that was sitting dead last in the league as late as the blues were
- Just5


Off the top of my head I can’t think of any. That Flyers 09-10 team was bad enough that they fired Stevens in November in favor of Laviolette and then finished two wins short of Lord Stanley. That’s honestly the closest I can think of, but even then, were they close to bottom of the standings that year?
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 12 @ 11:44 PM ET
really looking forward to talking about Schenn everyday for the next 3 months
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 12 @ 11:47 PM ET
Sucks for backes
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 12 @ 11:50 PM ET
Off the top of my head I can’t think of any. That Flyers 09-10 team was bad enough that they fired Stevens in November in favor of Laviolette and then finished two wins short of Lord Stanley. That’s honestly the closest I can think of, but even then, were they close to bottom of the standings that year?
- Sublime55


No not close. Early january I believe it was that the blues were dead last. It’s unfathomable and I don’t think it’s gotten it’s due attention.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jun 12 @ 11:56 PM ET
Schenn had multiple opportunities with top six minutes to do something while with the Flyers, and he didn't. Now, I will say he's playing with better players than the Flyers with St. Louis. Am I disappointed he didn't pan out here? Sure. But if Morgan Frost or Joel Farabee score the GWG in the Stanley Cup Final, I'll call it a moot point.

Super happy for Berube though.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Jun 13 @ 12:11 AM ET
its been 129 days since the last Boston championship. Too long.

Keep poopting on everyone. Win again. Tap dance on skulls.

- PLindbergh31

130 days and counting.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jun 13 @ 12:24 AM ET

Well-played game by Binnington and the Blues. Congratulations to Berube, Schenn, the Blues and all their fans! When I imagined the miracle cup winner of 2019 back in January, I was kind of thinking of another team in the same place in the standings. Good for the Blues for believing, putting in the work and staying in it till the end! Game 7 win. Way to go. Play Gloria!

Flyers....

Someday...

Let’s go
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 13 @ 1:20 AM ET
Hayes, plus Frost and Farabee. If you want to be fair about it.

I don't the Flyers were a Schenn away from contending for the cup anyway so it's kind of a useless argument.

- hereticpride

What’s so hard about understanding that we’ve traded away players we shouldn’t have before or within the prime of their careers. Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, James Van Riemsdyk, Brayden Schenn, Justin Williams, Patrick Sharp, Scott Hartnell.

You also have to factor in the return. Carter and Richards return was great but outside of that, we may as well have kept what we had. We traded Brayden Schenn an hour after drafting Nolan Patrick. So excuse me if I disagree and believe we would have been better suited with Schenn and Patrick on one team.

Hartnell for Umberger, are you kidding me?! JvR for Luke Schenn, huh?

We have talent but in terms of dynamic and clutch players. Giroux and Voracek are what’s left. I believe if the right deal is made for both sides, a kid like Nazem Kadri is the way to go. A player that is capable of controlling the play. Not perfect but capable.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 13 @ 1:58 AM ET
How the hell did the Blues pull this off without Lehterä?
- PLindbergh31

all those ex flyers
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 13 @ 6:25 AM ET
(frank)ing GLORIA
- Just5


Congrats to the Blues. (frank) the Bruins. All Boston teams are evil.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 13 @ 6:58 AM ET
It’s a dumb statement but blah, blah, blah.

Schenn’s first season with the blues, he has a career high of 70 points. His second he wins a cup. Both years he’s centering the top line. I have news for year, we didn’t know what to do with him. He was a winger most of his time here. Now we expect what? Kevin Hayes to offer the same impact? I’m not trying to be a jerk but we traded away players that could have been good for us, the Flyers, in the prime of their careers.

I wanna win and I’m sick of the excuses, as if we’re doing it right.

- SuperSchennBros


Happy for schenn but it doesn't mean that trade was a loss. Timing wise when the trade was made we didn't have solid goaltending nor top end d like St. Louis possesses. We simply couldn't have gone for it. It all fell together for them with binnington emerging but at mid season they looked like a train wreck.

They decided their window was now and it worked out. We won't know the winner for sure until the pieces we got back are in the NHL and we see what we have. I still have no issue with the deal from a flyers perspective.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 13 @ 7:02 AM ET
I don't get the whole anger because a player was moved and won elsewhere. Who cares. Was the player a Flyer at one point. Sure. But did he have multiple chances to win. Sure.

Most of the guys mentioned had multiple season in Philly to win. Things happen, coaches and GM's change, plan for team changes.

I mean the Conn Smyth winner was shipped out of Buffalo and pretty much labeled a guy you can't win with. So every team moves players and they win else where.

If anything the one thing I wonder is did Hextall have the right coach and just didn't give him the pieces to succeed?

bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 13 @ 7:03 AM ET
What’s so hard about understanding that we’ve traded away players we shouldn’t have before or within the prime of their careers. Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, James Van Riemsdyk, Brayden Schenn, Justin Williams, Patrick Sharp, Scott Hartnell.

You also have to factor in the return. Carter and Richards return was great but outside of that, we may as well have kept what we had. We traded Brayden Schenn an hour after drafting Nolan Patrick. So excuse me if I disagree and believe we would have been better suited with Schenn and Patrick on one team.

Hartnell for Umberger, are you kidding me?! JvR for Luke Schenn, huh?

We have talent but in terms of dynamic and clutch players. Giroux and Voracek are what’s left. I believe if the right deal is made for both sides, a kid like Nazem Kadri is the way to go. A player that is capable of controlling the play. Not perfect but capable.

- SuperSchennBros



I’d do the Carter and Richards trades again in a heartbeat. I wasn’t opposed to trading Hartnell it’s the return that was terrible.
JVR for the other Schenn was a terrible trade.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:16 AM ET
I’d do the Carter and Richards trades again in a heartbeat. I wasn’t opposed to trading Hartnell it’s the return that was terrible.
JVR for the other Schenn was a terrible trade.

- bird_dog_pa


Knowing the trouble Richie was having it was a smart trade. Hartnell was a terrible return for a salary dump and agree about the jvr trade.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 13 @ 7:34 AM ET
You know, it's possible for both teams to benefit from a trade...
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 13 @ 7:44 AM ET
You know, it's possible for both teams to benefit from a trade...
- bulet13



How dare you bring logical thinking in here.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:44 AM ET
You know, it's possible for both teams to benefit from a trade...
- bulet13


I think that might come to pass as long as fletch does well this offseason.
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