Fair enough.
I think Brodie will fetch a high 2nd round pick or I could see the flames packaging him with pick 26 to move into the top 10 - 15.
- DEDDIE

Doesn't seem unreasonable

Brodie/frolik for Coyle.

Brodie/frolik for Coyle.
- numbear

Brodie could potentially fetch a great return if traded to Toronto. Their only right shooting D is Zaitsev (and that is a big disaster). With Gardiner likely parting ways, They will have Reilly/Muzzin/Dermot manning the LD, and only questions marks for all three RD.
If you retained half of Brodie's cap, thats a guarenteed 1/2 RD for the leafs at just 2.325M. That would be enough to garner a decent return. They need cost effective RD desperately.

Brodie could potentially fetch a great return if traded to Toronto. Their only right shooting D is Zaitsev (and that is a big disaster). With Gardiner likely parting ways, They will have Reilly/Muzzin/Dermot manning the LD, and only questions marks for all three RD.
If you retained half of Brodie's cap, thats a guarenteed 1/2 RD for the leafs at just 2.325M. That would be enough to garner a decent return. They need cost effective RD desperately.
- bikeguy99

This is the dumbest comment I have read in a long time...Why in the F&%k would the flames pay 2.325M to the leafs for Brodie to play for them? What would come back to the Flames in this hypothetical mesna trade proposal that you suggested?

Exactly why we dont have the luxury of holding on to these guys until the TDL. It's BT's job to max out their values.
- Kevin R

Nope... I see a draft day deal...

Agreed, Tre has been pretty clear that he vastly prefers to build his teams in the summer. His TDL moves have been pretty minor in nature. Flames need to clear cap to get Chucky and goalies in, so someone's gonna go this summer.

Brodie could potentially fetch a great return if traded to Toronto. Their only right shooting D is Zaitsev (and that is a big disaster). With Gardiner likely parting ways, They will have Reilly/Muzzin/Dermot manning the LD, and only questions marks for all three RD.
If you retained half of Brodie's cap, thats a guarenteed 1/2 RD for the leafs at just 2.325M. That would be enough to garner a decent return. They need cost effective RD desperately.
- bikeguy99

Interesting idea IMO!
The Flames retaining some of Brodies cap hit would help the Leafs big time and result in a much better player coming back to the Flames. The Flames need cap relief too but not as bad as the Leafs.
If we retained 2 mm on Brodie and replaced him in our lineup with Vali at .896 mm the net cap savings to the Flames in 2019/20 would be 1.75 mm which is not chump change.

Brodie could potentially fetch a great return if traded to Toronto. Their only right shooting D is Zaitsev (and that is a big disaster). With Gardiner likely parting ways, They will have Reilly/Muzzin/Dermot manning the LD, and only questions marks for all three RD.
If you retained half of Brodie's cap, thats a guarenteed 1/2 RD for the leafs at just 2.325M. That would be enough to garner a decent return. They need cost effective RD desperately.
- bikeguy99

Brodie is a LHD. But plays better on his offside. He actually passes better with his backhand....favorite play, streak in and wire the backhand over because he overskates and loses the angle for a good shot. Second only to his other favourite play of faking one way then spinning back to avoid a check as he carries the puck up the ice.

Brodie in No way is that bad that they'd have to retain money to trade him.

Hes a puck mover though, which would work well with the Leafs high speed team. Which is why I think a good fit for Boston (and with Chara about done)

Brodie is a LHD. But plays better on his offside. He actually passes better with his backhand....favorite play, streak in and wire the backhand over because he overskates and loses the angle for a good shot. Second only to his other favourite play of faking one way then spinning back to avoid a check as he carries the puck up the ice.

Brodie in No way is that bad that they'd have to retain money to trade him.

Hes a puck mover though, which would work well with the Leafs high speed team. Which is why I think a good fit for Boston (and with Chara about done)
- numbear

I dont think we NEED to retain salary on TJ either but if we would the price on him goes up. Brodie with a 2.65/MM cap hit has way more value than Brodie with a 4.65/MM cap hit. It might be a good option in a deal with the Leafs as bikeguy suggested.

I dont think we NEED to retain salary on TJ either but if we would the price on him goes up. Brodie with a 2.65/MM cap hit has way more value than Brodie with a 4.65/MM cap hit. It might be a good option in a deal with the Leafs as bikeguy suggested.
- DEDDIE

If they aren't adding cap in any deal, I could see this as a possibility. If, however, the Flames are looking to land an NHL player (whether in this trade, another deal or free agency) as opposed to picks/prospects, odds are not good that they will retain much, if anything.

Lots of possible moves this off-season, I do think both Fro and Brodie are gone, but if Zucker/Kadri are involved in any kind of return, the Flames cap issues definitely don't go away, and if anything, intensify with the amount of term left on those deals.

At a certain point, they are going to get painted into a corner, and I would loosely argue that they are almost there now with the dead weight that Neal's contract currently represents...

If they aren't adding cap in any deal, I could see this as a possibility. If, however, the Flames are looking to land an NHL player (whether in this trade, another deal or free agency) as opposed to picks/prospects, odds are not good that they will retain much, if anything.

Lots of possible moves this off-season, I do think both Fro and Brodie are gone, but if Zucker/Kadri are involved in any kind of return, the Flames cap issues definitely don't go away, and if anything, intensify with the amount of term left on those deals.

At a certain point, they are going to get painted into a corner, and I would loosely argue that they are almost there now with the dead weight that Neal's contract currently represents...
- rmull905

All good points and I would not be opposed to picks coming back for Brodie and Frolik as our prospect pipeline could use an infusion. BT is a busy guy!

Would be nice to move up in the first round a bit to get Brink or Kaliyev. I don't think those guys drop to 26 but a fella can hope.
- zipfel

Brink could easily be there at 26th

Well, I did have a bit of a bonr for A.Nylander in his draft year (I underestimated Vancouver's incompetence when they gifted us Matty T :D)

If that shot ever fully translates to the NHL
- Saskabush

Passing on Tkachuk is looking bad but lets wait n see how OJ pans out. The nod will go to MT but by how much remains our worry lol

They didn't need a goalie last year, and no one else in the division is a threat.
- Hunkulese

Aah VGK?

Brodie is worth more than just a 2nd.

Unless they get garbage offers they will both go at the draft next week or soon thereafter.
99% of team rebuilding is done in the summer when they all configure their cap and rosters for the upcoming season.
Also BT has work to do on our roster and he needs the cap savings achieved by moving these 2 out.
- DEDDIE

Why does everybody think this? He has enough cap to get all his players signed. The only thing he needs is some space in the cap for the season to cover injury replacements etc.

If CGY and TOR made a trade something like:
Brodie, Stone, Jankowski

for
Kappannen, Kadri, Zaitzev
It would only add $500000 to TO's cap but addresses some defensive needs and then you factor in the probable new contract for Kap and they save a lot more.
Janko is a more suitable 3rd line guy at a much better cap hit and they can control that moving forward. They can buyout Stone's 1 remaining year to further their savings. CGY would then have to look for a way to possibly move Zaitzev or work him in.

Brodie is worth more than just a 2nd.
- TandA4Flames

Dreaming lol

All good points and I would not be opposed to picks coming back for Brodie and Frolik as our prospect pipeline could use an infusion. BT is a busy guy!
- DEDDIE

We could definitely use more picks. Can't keep sending draft picks for established players. If you deplete your prospect pool it's hard to balance the cap. Brodie should bring a late 1st or high 2nd and a prospect. Frolik maybe a 3rd.

Somebody mentioned A Nylander. I remember him from his draft year, he was ranked in the top 10. What's the story on him? Is there an attitude issue? Skating? Kids from Calgary, maybe just needs an address change.

Passing on Tkachuk is looking bad but lets wait n see how OJ pans out. The nod will go to MT but by how much remains our worry lol
- Nighthawk

What's going with Joe Levy? He looked slow on the backwards skating in Penticton. Got blown by on the outside often. Looks like he might be a little fragile as well.
He'll never be a top 2 in the NHL and I think he would have to be to justify passing on Matty!

Dreaming lol
- Nighthawk

Top 4 D get a good return. Probably a late 1st or a 2nd and a prospect.
The only reason we could trade Brodie is because of that 2nd you guys gave us for Bartchi. Anderson is looking like a steal.

Who the Canucks taking with #10?

What's going with Joe Levy? He looked slow on the backwards skating in Penticton. Got blown by on the outside often. Looks like he might be a little fragile as well.
He'll never be a top 2 in the NHL and I think he would have to be to justify passing on Matty!
- K-man25

Knee surgery recovery is not fragile lol
Our D had no prospects depth of any kind at the time & it was a small reach. Wingers are easier to draft. Still jury is out on OJ & is still young. Matty is a keeper. We have 1 top 2 already in Hughes.

At 10oa i think a F is getting picked.

Aah VGK?
- Nighthawk

Vegas is the most overated team in the league. Everyone is just afraid to say it since they made everyone look foolish the year before.

If the Pacific wasn't mostly trash last year, they wouldn't have made the playoffs. I'd be more worried about the Oilers figuring things out.

Dreaming lol
- Nighthawk

Am I? Don’t think so. He may be a mediocre 1st pair D but he’s not a depth or mediocre 2nd pair. He’s a top 4 on 90% of teams. Flames won’t just give him away.

Am I? Don’t think so. He may be a mediocre 1st pair D but he’s not a depth or mediocre 2nd pair. He’s a top 4 on 90% of teams. Flames won’t just give him away.
- TandA4Flames

If they don't get a 1st or a player/prospect of the same value, then they're selling low. The guy is a top pairing defenseman. We see him a lot and the defense played well for most of the season so his (frank) ups were more glaring for us. 90% of the time he's a top-pairing guy.

If they don't get a 1st or a player/prospect of the same value, then they're selling low. The guy is a top pairing defenseman. We see him a lot and the defense played well for most of the season so his (frank) ups were more glaring for us. 90% of the time he's a top-pairing guy.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Exactly.Brodie is a bit of high risk/reward. More often than not it's reward.