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ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:59 PM ET
I get your point but how does the team ever improve? You can’t keep resigning mediocre to “decent” players to 6 or more million bucks on multi year contracts. It can’t always be “well they don’t have a shot signing anyone else so we have to sign _______ . “
I don’t hate Eberle far from it I just think if they resign the entire roster as is I don’t see the improvement? Is it coming from youth? Who? I Get your point but I don’t like it being a forced thing and in all honesty yeah the current roster surprised but has obvious gigantic holes up front and it was a nice run but ultimately failed in a pretty cataclysmic fashion imo.

- Cptmjl


The big selling point on Lou and Barry is they can attract better players. The Isles are coming off a nice season and already the talk is they cannot do better than Eberle and they need to lock up Eberle now. Eberle is a nice player but nice players are not enough against some teams like Boston and the Canes and the D they throw on the ice. Other teams are trying to get better and the Isles better improve or they will be left behind.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:09 PM ET
I get your point but how does the team ever improve? You can’t keep resigning mediocre to “decent” players to 6 or more million bucks on multi year contracts. It can’t always be “well they don’t have a shot signing anyone else so we have to sign _______ . “
I don’t hate Eberle far from it I just think if they resign the entire roster as is I don’t see the improvement? Is it coming from youth? Who? I Get your point but I don’t like it being a forced thing and in all honesty yeah the current roster surprised but has obvious gigantic holes up front and it was a nice run but ultimately failed in a pretty cataclysmic fashion imo.

- Cptmjl



That bad

To answer your question, I think because for me Eberle’s better than most think, he had pretty decent chemistry with Barzal and if he’s here and wants to stay then he’s not a bad option.
That said if he wants 9 million he can walk.
I wrote the other day he’s worth 6. At that I would sign him for 3 maybe even 4 years.

Edit: Again we need to add offense to our team and trading Eberle isn’t adding offense it’s losing offense and quite honestly this team can’t afford to lose anymore offense. You sign Panarin and add ~35 goals but lose Eberles 20. Garth Snow all over again

Waiting for chiefs comment on the Cap
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:10 PM ET
The big selling point on Lou and Barry is they can attract better players. The Isles are coming off a nice season and already the talk is they cannot do better than Eberle and they need to lock up Eberle now. Eberle is a nice player but nice players are not enough against some teams like Boston and the Canes and the D they throw on the ice. Other teams are trying to get better and the Isles better improve or they will be left behind.
- ses111

Agreed to an extent.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:16 PM ET
Agreed to an extent.
- Cptmjl


Isles lock up all these same players and if it goes bad what do the Isles do? What happens if someone like Wahlstrom needs only a little more seasoning and he is blocked by long term deals. Isles will be in a bad spot with team knowing they need to deal. Isles with Lou and Barry will most likely not be in the lottery anytime soon so Lou needs to figure out how to sign or trade for a big player. No excuse about Belmont not being ready yet. Seems many were raving during the playoffs how the Coli was rocking so find a way to get an impact player signed.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:18 PM ET
I think because he’s better than most think, had pretty decent chemistry with Barzal and if he’s here and wants to stay then he’s not a bad option.
That said if he wants 9 million he can walk.
I wrote the other day he’s worth 6. At that I would sign him for 3 maybe even 4 years.

- nyisles7

His chemistry with Barzal was an off and on thing kind of like his play. I can’t see him signing a 3 or 4 yr deal that’ll make him 32 or 33 looking for a deal. Maybe there’s a slight chance because of his under whelming performance last season? He had a nice series against the Pens but to me that doesn’t justify paying him six million dollars. A lot of people have an issue with Nelson’s salary which to me is kind of a debatable thing. Now paying Eberle six million is almost unexplainable save for a desperation move imo. Again, I don’t hate him but I’m not exactly enthused with the idea of signing him either.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:20 PM ET
Isles lock up all these same players and if it goes bad what do the Isles do? What happens if someone like Wahlstrom needs only a little more seasoning and he is blocked by long term deals. Isles will be in a bad spot with team knowing they need to deal. Isles with Lou and Barry will most likely not be in the lottery anytime soon so Lou needs to figure out how to sign or trade for a big player. No excuse about Belmont not being ready yet. Seems many were raving during the playoffs how the Coli was rocking so find a way to get an impact player signed.
- ses111

Signed, traded for, etc. Can’t expect the team to improve if you don’t improve the roster. It would be an easier pill to swallow if we had forward prospects ready to contribute but that’s most likely not the case.
cdn_Isles_fan
New York Islanders
Location: ottawa, ON
Joined: 11.20.2015

Jun 10 @ 11:21 PM ET
The big selling point on Lou and Barry is they can attract better players. The Isles are coming off a nice season and already the talk is they cannot do better than Eberle and they need to lock up Eberle now. Eberle is a nice player but nice players are not enough against some teams like Boston and the Canes and the D they throw on the ice. Other teams are trying to get better and the Isles better improve or they will be left behind.
- ses111


I'll agree with you, BUT..Eberle is a top 6 forward. If we traded Bailey, for anything,I believe we'd all love to have Eberle back. Yes, the $'s and years are important, but he's not a detriment to a team. He's a top 6, not a top 2
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:25 PM ET
I'll agree with you, BUT..Eberle is a top 6 forward. If we traded Bailey, for anything,I believe we'd all love to have Eberle back. Yes, the $'s and years are important, but he's not a detriment to a team. He's a top 6, not a top 2
- cdn_Isles_fan


Isles need a top of the line wing for Barzal. Eberle type and more 3rd and 4th line players will not get the Isles far enough even with 3 Barry’s behind the bench.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:28 PM ET
His chemistry with Barzal was an off and on thing kind of like his play. I can’t see him signing a 3 or 4 yr deal that’ll make him 32 or 33 looking for a deal. Maybe there’s a slight chance because of his under whelming performance last season? He had a nice series against the Pens but to me that doesn’t justify paying him six million dollars. A lot of people have an issue with Nelson’s salary which to me is kind of a debatable thing. Now paying Eberle six million is almost unexplainable save for a desperation move imo. Again, I don’t hate him but I’m not exactly enthused with the idea of signing him either.
- Cptmjl



His numbers with the cap now at 82 or 83 million will be 6. His current contract was an over payment that’s for sure but that was from the Oilers, nuff said

Nelson’s deal for me was a perfect deal for player and team. My opinion of course.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:34 PM ET
I'll agree with you, BUT..Eberle is a top 6 forward. If we traded Bailey, for anything,I believe we'd all love to have Eberle back. Yes, the $'s and years are important, but he's not a detriment to a team. He's a top 6, not a top 2
- cdn_Isles_fan


100% agree. To me Bailey and Beau ( May develop into one ) are not top 6 and if Ebs, Nelson Lee and Barzal had 2 more top 6 talents it would make a difference.

Defense is fine, Goaltending was addressed as were the bottom 6 and of course the defensive structure the team played. Now the top 6 needs to be strengthened.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:39 PM ET
Isles need a top of the line wing for Barzal. Eberle type and more 3rd and 4th line players will not get the Isles far enough even with 3 Barry’s behind the bench.
- ses111


And who’s playing the other wing? One of your 3rd or 4th line players?

I’m confused. Your letting Ebs walk signing say Panarin and your playing who on the other wing? If it’s Lee than your second line is who? Nelson with Bailey and Ladd, Beau, MDC . Your not making any progress. Same problem 10 goals more maybe.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 10 @ 11:40 PM ET
His chemistry with Barzal was an off and on thing kind of like his play. I can’t see him signing a 3 or 4 yr deal that’ll make him 32 or 33 looking for a deal. Maybe there’s a slight chance because of his under whelming performance last season? He had a nice series against the Pens but to me that doesn’t justify paying him six million dollars. A lot of people have an issue with Nelson’s salary which to me is kind of a debatable thing. Now paying Eberle six million is almost unexplainable save for a desperation move imo. Again, I don’t hate him but I’m not exactly enthused with the idea of signing him either.
- Cptmjl



Maybe he would be a shat signing? We could only hope

See my edit
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jun 10 @ 11:48 PM ET
And who’s playing the other wing? One of your 3rd or 4th line players?

I’m confused. Your letting Ebs walk signing say Panarin and your playing who on the other wing? If it’s Lee than your second line is who? Nelson with Bailey and Ladd, Beau, MDC . Your not making any progress. Same problem 10 goals more maybe.

- nyisles7


You should be making a ton of progress with Barzal and Panarin and I’m signing Lee. Isles maybe cannot fix every problem this offseason but someone like Panarin fits a huge need. Maybe Lou can find a good wing for the 2nd line? Will not be a star but let’s see how things play out.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jun 10 @ 11:54 PM ET
Did anyone read the skinner eberle comparison post? Almost identical numbers yet no one wants eberle and everyone wanted skinner. I hope we upgrade as much as anyone else on here it will be interesting to see how they go about doing it that's for sure.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:55 PM ET
His numbers with the cap now at 82 or 83 million will be 6. His current contract was an over payment that’s for sure but that was from the Oilers, nuff said

Nelson’s deal for me was a perfect deal for player and team. My opinion of course.

- nyisles7

I don’t hate the Nelson deal I’m just not as in love as some are on here with it. I was and probably am a bigger Nelson fan than most on here and I can say it’s not a slam dunk imo. Not terrible either.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:56 PM ET
Did anyone read the skinner eberle comparison post? Almost identical numbers yet no one wants eberle and everyone wanted skinner. I hope we upgrade as much as anyone else on here it will be interesting to see how they go about doing it that's for sure.
- Upstate_isles

Not me.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:59 PM ET
Maybe he would be a shat signing? We could only hope

See my edit

- nyisles7

😂

Wouldn’t go as far as saying it’s a shat signing I just look at it like I stated before. A desperation move. I don’t think Eberle moves the needle all that much and I would like to see the top 6 improved for 6 or more million dollars imo.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jun 11 @ 12:00 AM ET
Did anyone read the skinner eberle comparison post? Almost identical numbers yet no one wants eberle and everyone wanted skinner. I hope we upgrade as much as anyone else on here it will be interesting to see how they go about doing it that's for sure.
- Upstate_isles


It’s about wanting a better player than Eberle and not settling like Garth. It’s also about winning more than one round and not getting shutdown as easily in the playoffs. Lou and Barry’s hiring raised the bar.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jun 11 @ 12:05 AM ET
It’s about wanting a better player than Eberle and not settling like Garth. It’s also about winning more than one round and not getting shutdown as easily in the playoffs. Lou and Barry’s hiring raised the bar.
- ses111

Hmmmm ok then
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jun 11 @ 12:07 AM ET
Not me.
- Cptmjl

Ok well he was viewed as an upgrade by many but they are statistically almost identical. I'm for panarin and eberle with Lee walking if that were an option
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 12:09 AM ET
Not me.
- Cptmjl



Me either
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jun 11 @ 12:09 AM ET
Hmmmm ok then
- Upstate_isles


If the Isles had a sure fire young top 6 you lock them up and do not have to make a lot of big moves. Isles do not have that. Isles have a good team and a great coach but the roster needs work. Lou has to ask himself if some of these players can get me to where I want to go and if not he needs to make moves.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jun 11 @ 12:13 AM ET
If the Isles had a sure fire young top 6 you lock them up and do not have to make a lot of big moves. Isles do not have that. Isles have a good team and a great coach but the roster needs work.
- ses111

And if they let eberle walk who do they replace him with thats a significant upgrade? Panarin will have every team at his door and duchene as well. Dizingle is good but similar in production. I can see eberle resigned and leddy moved for a second line type of player
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jun 11 @ 12:13 AM ET
Me either
- nyisles7

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nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 11 @ 12:14 AM ET
I don’t hate the Nelson deal I’m just not as in love as some are on here with it. I was and probably am a bigger Nelson fan than most on here and I can say it’s not a slam dunk imo. Not terrible either.
- Cptmjl


So your saying you might like it?
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